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We get the last few moments of a Savage vs Greg Valentine match where Savage is destroying Valentine with a chair. Hall, Nash, and Syxx run in and attacks Savage. I crack up at The Giant coming in dressed in a vest and dark jeans acting as the ring announcer and announcing Hogan, who comes out and gets heat at a ridiculous level. The highlight here is Nash beating up Savage with a Slim Jim. The crowd is on the verge of rioting during all of this. Hogan does another amazing promo and then spraypaints Savage's head black. Hall and Nash then go terrorize Bischoff and force him to stay put. Then they debut Virgil as "Vincent". Later in the show, we get the last few seconds of Hall and Nash beating High Voltage. We also get Scott Hall asking if Andre is really his dad. Lots of memorable stuff here.
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They show a clip last week of the NWO in their limo openly saying they're targeting Savage next week. Savage does a great promo with Mike Tenay basically saying to bring it on.
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This will live in infamy. Jim Ross fake shoots on the WWF, saying he has no loyalty to the WWF and talking about the great job he left in Atlanta in 1993, talking about everyone leaving the WWF not being an accident, which I suspect the crowd only popped for because they thought it meant he was joining the NWO. He does cut a good promo, but the angle is awful of course, bringing out the fake Razor Ramon at the end. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? How could they possibly think this represented him in a good light? Is this the all time low point for the company?
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Talk about a burial! This is Vince himself narrating the video: "The date was July 23, 1995, the setting Nashville, Tennessee. And this was supposed to be the greatest moment of Double J Jeff Jarrett's life. A triumphant return to Music City, his hometown, the same town which had rejected him both as a WWF superstar and as an entertainer." He then calls him country music's version of Milli Vanilli. He promises the man who really sang "With My Baby Tonight", the REAL Double J, will be on RAW next week.
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Joined in progress. Mero wins the IC title in a tournament final. The Sunny/Sable cat fight gets tons of heat. Pretty decent as a moment, but this was a major development on RAW, and it looks much better in a vacuum than when you compare it to Nitro side by side. I liked Ron Simmons a lot. I wasn't a huge fan of Faarooq.
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I think this is my favorite NJ tag of the year thus far. Nice mixture of wrestling and brawling, with great build from beginning to end. Chono and Tenzan are great at heeling it up, and Tenzan in particular hits everything really well. Chono is really good, but in a different way, as I like Chono more for being so sinister than I do for what he does in the ring, although he's definitely not bad. Low blowing Iizuka and getting a hot nearfall off ot it was awesome. Nice to see Iizuka as something other than a punching bag for the Steiners. Yamazaki is always reliable for some great kicks, and there's a fun spot where he and Iizuka double grapevine Chono. This could potentially creep up on some of the low end MOTYCs on this set. It doesn't touch the All Japan tags for me, but it's really good in its own right.
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I still want "millions in retirement accounts" explained.
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[1996-09-23-NJPW-G1 Climax] Jushin Liger vs Wild Pegasus
Loss replied to Loss's topic in September 1996
Not really that good of a match, but notable for being Liger's return after having a brain tumor removed. He was gone for such a short period of time and is wrestling at his old level here, which considering the magnitude of a surgery like that is pretty impressive, benign or not.- 5 replies
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[1996-09-23-NJPW-G1 Climax] Shinya Hashimoto vs Shiro Koshinaka
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This is where the genius of this set really becomes apparent to me. I'd seen a fair amount of both guys before, but don't know that I'd ever really followed either guy closely. I've seen them both against some of the same opponents that I'm familiar enough that when Koshinaka signals to the crowd, I know what he's about to do. Sometimes, you can also tell when certain Hashimoto spots are being set up as well. I like that a lot. Yet another upset, as Koshinaka goes over Hashimoto pretty strongly, taking most of the match and pinning him as unquestionably as possible in the end. I really like that if Hashimoto is doing a job, he wants the other guy to look like he deserved the win. That's a consistent theme throughout this set.- 5 replies
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[1996-09-22-WWF-Mind Games] Shawn Michaels vs Mankind
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This is so true. I realized after this was over that one of the best parts is that there are no 2.9 falls at all. It's a credit to these guys that they could do a match this long without doing any of that. Shawn's leg and hand work here is spectacular. I don't remember who said it, but the most ridiculous argument I've ever read against this match is that it's not good because if it was a New Japan match joined in progress on TV, you wouldn't know Shawn had ever worked the leg.- 38 replies
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Unless it's just this match, he seems to do a lot of things where he drops opponents in a different way than you'd expect when he picks them up for a suplex or whatever. There was also an exaggerated amount of circling Hayabusa at the beginning of this match before finally doing a collar-and-elbow, which was almost a comedy spot to me.
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[1996-09-22-WWF-Mind Games] Shawn Michaels vs Mankind
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Wow. This match is still awesome. I don't feel like talking about it in depth at the moment, but I do think there's a case for it as the best WWE match of all time. Shawn needed more matches like this as champ to get him over as a tough guy. Everything was really well done, and Foley gave the performance of his life. The finish sucked, but the body of the match is good enough that it doesn't really matter.- 38 replies
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[1996-09-22-WWF-Mind Games] Owen Hart & Davey Boy Smith vs Smoking Gunns
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Last few minutes only. Owen and Davey Boy win the tag titles.- 7 replies
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[1996-09-22-WWF-Mind Games] Interview: Owen Hart, Brian Pillman & Steve Austin
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I always liked the utter contempt loose cannon Pillman had for fans, but he had so obviously lost almost all of the momentum he had going earlier in the year. Owen does a good interview saying he and Bret had made up the past few months as Bret was starting to realize he was better, or so he believed. He thinks Bret is getting senile since he's getting older and didn't show up, but that even more than that, he's scared of Steve Austin. This brings Austin out to do a fun promo about how Bret left the moment he came to the WWF. "If you put the letter 's' in Hitman, you have my exact opinion of Bret Hart." -
[1996-09-21-NJPW-G1 Climax] Steven Regal vs Shinya Hashimoto
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What, you expect this to be anything but awesome? Lots of awesome, deliberate matwork mixed in with the potato shots you'd expect. Regal gets over for taking a beating here as much as anything, and the crowd is very, very into this by the end. I wouldn't say Hashimoto was at any point taking him lightly, but it's definitely a match where it ended up being more hard fought and competitive than I think the crowd expected. There were even "Regal, Regal" chants at one point. With the kickouts, it's like a better version of Mike Rotunda/Brad Armstrong from Clash III, the difference being Hashimoto does actually win in the end. But the layout is similar. I really enjoyed this.- 6 replies
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Good match once it gets going, but the laissez-faire commentary and overly dark arena made it hard for me to get into. Quite a few missed spots and quite a few impressive ones as well. Oya is a weird wrestler.
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Bizarre stuff. I think what bugs me the most about Raven is that he just sits there while everyone else is working to get him over. Blue Meanie plays the world's worst clown trying to entertain.
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Syxx gets out of a limo with the NWO. They play the tape from the previous week of Sting talking and laugh about it. This was when there were starting to be warning signs of NWO overexposure and adding too many people to the group, I think, even though they would still ride the wave for a long time.
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Sting announces that he's a free agent and that he will pop up when we least expect it. There is NO WAY they had any idea that the angle they came up with to get Sting out of the ring would turn out that well. Another cool thing that you don't often hear discussed is that this really led to a redemption story for Luger. Savage, Flair, Sting and Arn would all fall by the wayside over the next few months, making him the de facto leader. A guy who was previously really self-absorbed was now being looked at to lead the way. I'm not sure this positioning could have worked out any better. Losing so many of the NWO opponents at one time could have been disastrous, but they navigated it very well.
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Everyone is drinking from red dixie cups gloating about the War Games win. Something tells me those cups aren't filled with water. They ponder the idea of NWO Nitro.
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[1996-09-16-WWF-Raw] Owen Hart vs Marc Mero / Interview: Bret Hart
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Another good match between these two. Shawn had a good year of course, but Owen may have been the best wrestler in the WWF in 1996. It's not talked about as much, but there's lots of good output from him. Bret Hart does a promo calling Brian Pillman a liar, saying he will not be at Mind Games, and that Owen is a liar too. He also adds that he has not forgotten his fans and hasn't decided what he's going to do yet. -
I hear this about stuff and use to think it. But is there really a difference? The difference is that this is a well-booked match with over personalities, but it could have been executed much better.
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This seems like a good place to ask this question: What was the reason Kobashi was less relevant in 1996? He was still around and had some great matches, but really, Akiyama seemed to be in his normal spot.
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Ok, so I watched this again. Is this an MOTYC in any form? No. Is this a really well-executed angle disguised as a match? Yes. For heat, drama and emotion, this is a classic, but for the actual match, it's not. Blood or not, the big issue is what was said before -- that Hogan, Flair and Luger came to work and no one else really did. I guess Arn and Hall were fine, but Arn did such awesome promos heading into this that you kind of expected a bigger performance. Nash is embarrassing, barely able to hit anything, getting stuck in the cameraman's cables and having to get his help getting free, etc. Luger crawling and screaming for Sting's help was awesome. The Liz turn post-match really came out of nowhere, but Hogan was pretty awesome spitting on her and spraypainting NWO on her dress. The beatdown on Savage after the match just went on and on and on and on and on and on.
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[1996-09-15-WCW-Fall Brawl] Randy Savage vs The Giant
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Finish only. Savage slams The Giant! The NWO blindside Savage, costing Savage the match, while Nick Patrick is distracted by yelling at The Giant.- 7 replies
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