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I remember a co-worker being REALLY upset going to a house show and taking a sign, only to find that it wasn't televised. This was early 2000. She stopped watching at that point. She said the show was pointless and didn't mean anything, and they didn't make that clear enough when they advertised the show.

I think any signature defense spots are a huge thing that turns people off. Signature offense is fine and makes sense. But moves or sequences done to the same guy by different wrestlers is something I've heard gripes about many times from casual fans.

I remember my mom getting furious anytime she'd walk in the room that anyone would ever try a sunset flip in a match against Vader. Her other thing was people putting their head down to do a back body drop and being kicked in the face. "Stuff like that is why I don't watch anymore."

I know someone who stopped watching wrestling because The Rockers did synchronized super kicks and that would never happen if it was real. So yes.

Bruce Pritchard strikes me as someone working pretty much all the time. It's hard to believe much of anything he says.

It's obvious they were working. Wrestling protocol is weird. For all the talk recently about sensitive college kids, they can't hold a candle to wrestling veterans.

This is definitely an unsung match in the feud. What an amazing pay-per-view this was.

I only saw bits and pieces of the show. Why is Dana Brooke so bad at everything? Her acting is terrible even by the standards of terrible acting in wrestling.

I wasn't interested in this at all and didn't bother to tune in. Sounds like I probably made a good decision.

No, Dan Kroffat has a deserved reputation as a great worker. He's known for being great at constructing finishes and finishing stretches.

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I did. I've watched it probably 3x since then and I don't see it quite at that level anymore. Very close (I still have it at ****3/4) but I don't think they built to the finish enough, which took it down slightly for me.

It hurts me in my heart that you had Hansen-Kobashi (and so much other great stuff) below that garbage joshi cage match. Yes, that cage match is wrestled in a garbage style, with weapons and brawling.

I second Superstar Sleeze's request. Interested because this got **** 3/4 during the yearbook so this is a monster drop. It went from ****3/4 to ****1/4. I suppose it is a notable difference. I explained in a previous response. Still love the match, just think I overrated it the first time. What a match. Would have made Top 50 for me easily. Next level brutality + classic storytelling. Shocked at how low these are. Both are masterpieces in my eyes. I am probably the only one who thinks these are better than the 1/97 match. I might give these yet another rewatch when this is all over. I originally watched the 1996 RINGS while getting accustomed to the style, so I probably undersold a lot of that stuff. In fact, I'd say that's probably true until maybe I got to 1990 for shoot style, which came after 1996, 1993, 1992, 1995 and 1994, in that order. Big drop given the praise in the yearbook thread but still a strong ranking. One of the great US tags. Again, just ****3/4 to ****1/4 makes that big of a difference. I still absolutely love this match, but it loses a little something for Steamboat recovering so quickly after the hot tag.

And this match is Flair of old stuff against a quality opponent willing to sell big time for him. Part 1 of making the 3 Musketeers the top stars. Great match. I thought it was excellent, but didn't see it that way at all. Felt like a major stepdown from the previous year. To give this an analogy you would appreciate, this match is kinda like early 90s hair metal -- the bands that were still around putting out songs that hadn't yet gotten the memo. You got it! You'll love it. They actually did dress up for it, wearing different attire than normal. It's still wrestling gear, but it's a bit more formal.

Definitely not the last. Lots of young wrestlers putting together pieces early. Total classic Southern-style tag formula matches are common, with more modern offense. Great crowds too. I am in no way part of the Takada backlhas, as you will further see. Going from ****3/4 to ****1/4 on a rewatch dropped it some. I'll remind you that #269 is a really high rating of about 3500 matches, but the only thing that dropped it for me was that it all felt a bit abrupt. Great, really great even, but not quite at that all-time level for that reason. Not really, but this match works. Pretty sure this is my favorite Hogan match. It only aired on Samurai TV. Didn't even air on the regular weekly show. I really loved this. They have other matches I like a lot too, but I think this is the best. Yep. I'm a sucker for matches with a nice slow build that start with basic matwork like a side headlock before crescendoing to a series of hot nearfalls. And again, I seem to be the outlier around here on Hayabusa matches. You'll go crazy for this match in particular.

I'm a fan most of the time. This is a great match that's an awesome blend of styles. Lots of surprises. It sounds ridiculous to say this about a match with a flaming table, but this really was far more of a Mid South-style brawl than a typical ECW brawl full of props. This is one of the matches that surprised me the most in the decade. I'm not nearly as high on this as a lot of people. They do a great job having a great match while keeping it really simple, but it still felt too underwhelming to go much higher. Not even their best match against each other on this list. Stay tuned. I saw the repeated clotheslines as a theme more than Austin not knowing what offense to do. It was the great equalizer. I went 1/4* higher, which on a list like this makes a huge difference. I seem to like Hayabusa way more than everyone here.

I don't think I've seen Maeda in any other matches. Kanehara never really stood out all that much, but does have some matches I like. I think he was best in the early part of the decade, but there's stuff worth watching all the way through and likely beyond 1999. I remember a PWI article about how needlessly violent this match was. "They were hitting each other with heavy refrigerator parts. Heavy refrigerator parts!" I think they both had better rivals, but their matches were reliably strong. I seemed to like it more than everyone else, but I would strongly go to bat for it. Everything you'd want from these four in the same match. It wasn't on the commercial release, but did air on TV. I agree with this 100%. One of the better juniors in a dome matches for sure. Yes. Jumbo at the end of the road. Michinoku Pro also rules the higher portion, as you will see. Yes. This series was tremendous because it was atypical. Norio Honaga was a cheater with really basic offense. A sublime heel.

"Several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes." -- New York Times, 11/21/1922 Perhaps the parallels aren't "really strong", but they are very much there. And there have been enough violent incidents that his supporters took a return to pre-civil rights social order literally. And if anything, the other people in his administration and his party scare me possibly more than he does. I don't expect a man who signed a law in his state that required women to bury or cremate aborted or miscarried fetuses or who tried to re-funnel federal dollars for AIDS to gay conversion therapy to be a reasonable check on Trump's more insane ideas. Anyway, I'll stop talking about this because it's too personal for me. If you knew the legal hoops my husband and I had to jump through to get married, have two children and both have full legal custody of them, you would probably understand the legitimate fear much more. I don't want to close out the thread just because I personally have nothing else to say, but I am hoping it dies off soon. I've gotten too far from pro wrestling and I'm sorry that I have.

That's easy to say if you have nothing to lose. This is a man who wants to jail his political opponents and has threatened to change libel laws so he can shut out the media. He has a white supremacist as his chief strategist. It's not hyperbole.

Some people are seriously concerned because the historical parallels to 1930s Germany are pretty strong. I don't really think we're going to repeat history, but people who worry about their families being split up through deportation, who themselves worry about being deported, who worry that they are going to have to enter a Muslim registry or that their marriage will be invalidated by his Supreme Court appointee, thus affecting their healthcare, property and in some cases rights to their children, are right to be scared. He's made clear what he wants to do.

I definitely hate the idea of people having their lives destroyed for comments they make. The object should be to reform them and educate them, not punish.

Do you see a difference between word policing and criticizing someone's words? It seems like the latter is called the former pretty often. "War on Terror" is one of the greatest examples of politically correct language in American history, and was purposely phrased in the abstract so that it could mean whatever those in power wanted it to mean, which would allow them to continue it indefinitely. In that case, the words came with a heavy death toll. I do think generally speaking that everyone could stand to be more comfortable with being challenged, and I also agree that the left's attempts to make people think about their words has not always worked, last week being a particularly glaring example with devastating consequences. But we see the impact they have all the time. Look at the polling disparity between support for "Obamacare" and support for the "Affordable Care Act".

So maybe the answer is to fight back against the right, who very much have their own PC culture. It's just that when they call people "job creators" or use the word "infanticide" to describe abortion or call torture "enhanced interrogation techniques", we don't point out on the left that they are being politically correct. But we should. It's a tactic the right has proven works well.