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They come fairly close to that at times in future segments. Hold on tight. -
Luger knew the finish. Cox was just commenting on how it seemed. He was simply saying what he was instructed to say. Luger had a great deal in WCW making $600,000 a year or whatever it was. I believe that amount is correct. He had no desire to go anywhere at this point and was probably better at leveraging himself a deal than just about anyone in wrestling. When you get to 1991, there is a funny story about how he responded when WCW asked him to work the New Japan show that shows how smart he was on this stuff. Anyway, the match was originally supposed to be a double juice cage match, but Luger's staph infection changed that plan.
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It wasn't so much that they had problems bumping for an actor. It was that they were being asked to bump for a fictional entity in a setting where everything was being presented as real. Your top heels bump for a movie character and you've bluntly told your audience your top heels are fake. Even if fans know that to be true, you're pointing it out to them by doing something like that. I realize that the WWF pulled it off with Hulk Hogan and Zeus, but the NWA's calling card was that they were "real wrestling" and were above that sort of thing. Even doing a Robocop cross promotion in the first place was something forced on them by Turner executives. I think there was a philosophical element at play here. Vince openly admitted that his show was a traveling circus and embraced the idea that wrestling was entertainment because he thought it could draw. WCW wanted to draw too, but on their own terms -- I think even this late, the people who ran WCW felt like their vision of what pro wrestling was supposed to be was the right one, and that they could win out if they could just get their house in order. We'll never know if pro wrestling could be as big as sports entertainment, because we have never really seen a Bill Watts-style product with a Vince McMahon budget, marketing savvy, organizational skills and merchandising vision. Sadly, we probably never will.
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I don't think they would give out her real address on the air.
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I know they do some things at Korakuen Hall, which is a smaller venue. I just haven't heard much about it.
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This is true of just about every promotion there's ever been, which leads me to believe that it's not a coincidence and that promoters learnt from experience it was better to stack the top of the card and fill out the rest. Wasn't the early 80s peak of New Japan the product of Inoki, Tiger Mask and Choshu-Fujinami all peaking at the same time?
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How is the weekly (is it weekly even?) TV anyway? I hear a lot about big shows, but not much about week-to-week in smaller venues.
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Thanks, guys. Part 2 is up now, covering January 4-January 10. The next installment comes next Sunday. http://placetobenation.com/this-week-in-90s-wrestling-january-4th-10th/
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As tempting as hearing Jim Ross talk about everyone's "educated feet" all night sounds, I'm not sure it's worth $35.
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I think they should have gone with Savage right out of the gate and built that match for Summerslam. Rude would have made for a cool SNME main event instead of someone like Haku, but I can't see them doing much more than that.
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The first installment of my new feature at Place To Be Nation. This one covers January 1 - January 3. Part 2 covering January 4 - January 10 will be posted tomorrow. I'm curious to hear what people think. http://placetobenation.com/this-week-in-90s-wrestling-january-1st-3rd/
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If people bookmark good articles, that's really what they are doing.
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Confetti!
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I don't think so. The company is the heel. If they eliminate Bryan, the crowd turns at that moment. It may be 10 minutes, 5 minutes, or 2 minutes before they go off the air, but the minute they toss Bryan then the crowd is going to shit on the match. They aren't going to boo the heel, they are going to boo the company's decision making. I agree with this. I do think there are still ways a heel can be genuinely hated, but heat over costing someone a match almost always goes to the company instead of the wrestler.
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I agree that the Night of Champions match was better, although Summerslam was a bigger assault on our wrestling fan sensibilities (in a good way). I suspect ten years from now, newer fans who are like us will wonder why people loved the Summerslam match as much as they did.
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Bret-Owen vs Steiners is my favorite Coliseum match. Perfect-Piper from Battle of the WWF Superstars is really good too.
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No. CSS is run by a bunch of marks. They hate everything about pro wrestling and are very condescending to its readers. Just look at the disclaimers within the 'rumor' section on that site. Its a very 'pat-on-the-head' our readers are 'special' mentality. The site's main demographic is smarks between the ages of 12 and 19. You know. The people who think Cena is a bad wrestler, WWE Divas 'get no respect', and other early 2000 internet wrestling fandom tropes. The site had been going down-hill for a long time but what really got me to 'check out' of that site once-and-for all is one of the articles written about The Million Dollar Man's documentary and it was titled something like "The Million Dollar Man Has a New Movie About His Story-- But is it Worth Telling?". The guys over there just can't get their heads out their own asses. Even the Smackdown/Mainevent spoilers are full of un-needed snark. If CSS eliminated the smark/snarky shit it would probably be passable on a good day. There is no way the admin or any of the staff writers (expect for maybe one or two) can say with a straight-face that they are not overly jaded and/or completely burnt out of pro wrestling. It just makes for bad reading when you know someone is just rolling his/her eyes while writing a piece. They recently had an evaluation on Lance Storm listing his strengths and weaknesses where chairshots didn't even come up. How does that happen?
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Wow, this just hit on every point so perfectly. Well said. The distance is something I have decided I need for my fandom. There were even matches that Dave rated as high as ***** in the 1990s that haven't been very remembered, so I don't think it's exclusive to this era.
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Jarrett didn't abandon Dallas on his own volition. He was forced out by Kevin Von Erich after losing TV.
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They're going to end up changing plans if they haven't already. We've seen this movie before. If they don't see it coming, I will laugh at how pathetic that is, but I have to remind everyone that Dave reported that the WM main event wasn't changing all the way to the Occupy RAW segment last time, when it was clear they made the decision earlier than that. I'm not saying his sources are wrong, but they were wrong last time.
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It's still pretty impressive years later. I never really agreed with the critiques of that match.
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- Start a podcast series covering every month of the 1990s - Begin writing something regularly - Finish ranking my Top 500 Matches of the 1990s - Complete my e-book on 90s wrestling - Stay sane, happy and healthy