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WAR had feuds with NJPW and UWF... What was the backstory on these and what are some of the shows run for them? ......Outside Tenryu / Inoki

Holy shit was that 10 man amazing.....

That is really good booking, looking forward to following this progression.... About Misawa and Kawada, was the crowd ever behind Kawada beating Misawa or were they loving every time he lost?

Baba's plans for Misawa as the top guy out of that generation are pretty clear when he moved him out of the junior division after just a year and put him in with the heavyweights. The problem in All Japan is that there's a slow elevation to the very top, and usually only when "shit happens" as I walked though above. Jumbo was 34 in 1985, and only really became the ace of the promotion in the late 1983 through mid-1984 period: just the year before. Misawa was just 23 at the end of 1985, with Tenryu well ahead of him as well, Choshu's army in the promotion, and still a strong gaijin crew. Even getting pushed out of the juniors didn't mean he'd be at the top level for a while. So who was the ace pre-83, still Baba? Side question that doesnt apply to my main theme of the 90's AJPW, but how did Jumbo become Ace? Was it the same type of build Misawa got with the big wins building and building over the guys ahead of him? Also, I tend to ask 1000's of questions when I am learning things, so if you dont want me firing them off in one thread, let me know and I can do single threads or somthing else you'd like!

I didnt know Kawada was younger and Misawa's junior at that time, so that explains some of it...The rebellious attitude and the stoic / calm guy also makes sense as the "Ace" and the guy chasing the "Ace"....that info really explained a LOT Misawa had a good relationship with Baba. I've never seen anything that Taue had a poor one. Kawada's relationship with the Babas wasn't good in 1996. Kawada wasn't passed over. Misawa was always ahead of him, from the start of his career until leaving AJPW. This explains the rest, I had thought (wrongly) that the Mask, even though it was a Tiger Mask, that since it was a second version of it and the guy was under the mask, that he'd be in a lesser position, but that is still my US thinking.. I watched TM II and Jumbo from 1988 last night and seeing that really helped nail home how much more ahead Misawa really was...and then the 6-Man where the Jumbo - Misawa rivalry REALLY gets going added to it... Was Kawada a guy they could trust as well? Was there EVER a fear of a guy jumping to NJPW (or vice-versa) with "THE" title from the other group?

Found these matches on Youtube and will check them out.. Thanks....

Cool...thanks a lot for the clarification stuff...VERY VERY good stuff... Did Misawa have a better relationship with Baba that Kawada or Taue? Kawada especially was known, in the same group of guys as Misawa (I think) and was up and coming...but he got passed over for the masked Misawa... Just dumb luck or political or personal issues? Again, thanks for all the info, I have 100's of Questions I hope you dont mind answering.. Its great diving fully into Puro and finding something I know little about and get to discover it all like I did with US wrestling...

Even if that is the case, why was Misawa so over so fast, from Masked man to beating Jumbo in 2 months. I get the hole left by Tenryu, but to me, and I am still learning Puro, that its a strange push.. Or was he popular before? And if popular, why under the mask? Again, this is all from a US understanding of Wrestling, so some of it could be cultural...

This match has a strange, almost screwed ending for Lawler as he kicks up at 2....but the ref counts 3.. He makes the challenge for Title vs Title (IWGP vs. Unified) with a US and Japanese ref...did it ever happen and was it televised? I didnt think the match was anything spectacular, but good enough....

Is this the same as the UWF vs. NJPW feud just a different name? Time period seems the same

What are the dates of the feud? Once done, where did each guy go story wise….

Cool...thanks....will have to look this one up to...

Read a wiki article that mentioned a NOW vs. NEW feud in NJPW...what was this or was it a typo and meant NWO? The date is listed as 87...so not sure.. THanks!

Fuckin a...thanks man!! So, the people all knew who Misawa was...was he over with them with teh mask on so when it came off, they were ready to jump on and ride with him? How did they come to know him, from his early run before the Mask?

Couple late 80's - 1990 AJPW Questions: 1. If Tenryu doesnt jump ship in late '89, does Misawa take the mask off and get the Mega push that started a few months later? If not, how long till they pull the trigger or does Tenryu get it, with Misawa behind him, and Kawada left behind and instead its Tenryu - Misawa feud? 2. Misawa got hurt in early 89, misses most of the year, then comes back and unmasks and the crowd knows its him...Did they already know who was under that mask and the unmasking was more of a "OK, we know you are great and its time to shine" moment? 3. What are some must see Tiger Mask II mathes from Misawa's 1980's run under the mask? Did he team with Kawada often then? 4. In the unmasking match, Kawada and Misawa are facing Fuyuki and Kobayshi...when and how did Footloose break-up?

Thanks, I also found him as Shogun in CWA.. Cant find any info on his Puerto Rico run though...

What names and what years or months was Hashimoto in: Continental Stampede Puerto Rico WWC Thanks, looking for some information on younger Hash

Didnt get to read all this until tonight... This just reeks of "we put the belt on the right guy, BUT, we are gonna push him down the card a little, so he can really "earn" that spot instead of making Bryan THE front and center guy and trying to run with it... Its one week, I know that, but this smells an awful lot like 2004, when Benoit won and he feuded with a rebulit "Kane" while the true main event scene was HHH - HBK show, Evolution... Now, its Evolution and the Shield taking the front spot, with Cena - Wyatt's behind that and Bryan back there... Then, if this push doesnt get them what they hope, they can use this excuse that "Bryan didnt draw that well as champ".. Again very negative here, I know, but seems like I have seen this before.

WOW... You can dress a pig but its still a pig... Kane ISNT scary anymore...he can beat up Bryan all he wants...we all know he aint winning and this is once a year "thanks for being a team player" title shot and mini-push.. Sad this is what they give Daniel after Mania...kills his steam. Kane in a mask? Really? Come on....WWE you are better than that... THis blows.. Cole can sell this all he wants and they can make it as "savage" and call him a "demon"...its fuckin Kane...old ass retread Kane.

WOW... You can dress a pig but its still a pig... Kane ISNT scary anymore...he can beat up Bryan all he wants...we all know he aint winning and this is once a year "thanks for being a team player" title shot and mini-push.. Sad this is what they give Daniel after Mania...kills his steam. Kane in a mask? Really? Come on....WWE you are better than that... THis blows.. Cole can sell this all he wants and they can make it as "savage" and call him a "demon"...its fuckin Kane...old ass retread Kane.

"Yo buy the T-Shirt!"....is still a staple comment in my group of friends today!

Holy Fuck does Iizuka get the shit beat outta him...

Johnny, I have the original PPV VHS we recorded….definately on PPV, but many issues during the show…they'd cut to something, you'd hear nothing, and they'd cut back. Then go back and it would be OK….