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I can't believe Kris didn't put the SPECIAL SURPRISE in the blurb. Best moment in the 3 months of show history so far.

I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES [Abstain] I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan Junkyard Dog Ivan Koloff I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES [Abstain] I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo Cien Caras Karloff Lagarde El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro Villano III I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES [Abstain] I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES Carlos Colon Mark Lewin NON-WRESTLERS Dave Brown Jimmy Hart Jerry Jarrett Gene Okerluind Don Owen

Wasn't it more that he was carefully protected to as to make sure he didn't show that side?

Cable ratings are indeed percentages of homes that get the network. Broadcast network ratings are percentages of all households with TVs.

Fuck these people. The guy beat up his girlfriend several times, until he beat her to death. Every three days of so, a woman dies because she gets beatten to death. This is bullshit. Fuck these people and fuck Snuka. Can't blame the grandchildren because they don't know any better. They are kids that will believe whatever story the family told them. As for the rest of the family, fuck them and fuck the people that have donated money. It's also entirely possible that they just signed the grandkids'names to it. The stuff about the legal issues reads like it was written by an adult as a careful dodge.

Has the Japanese stigma against talking about cancer decreased over the years or is it kind of a big deal for a celebrity of her stature (since she's a regular on the celebrity talk/variety/travel show circuit) to be this open about it?

https://www.gofundme.com/snuka For fuck's sake.

Asked Dave and it looks like it's just Crockett Sr. and Weston. I thought Matysik would be historical, too, but Dave said his onscreen presence locally on WWF shows went int '87 or so. It's definitely trickier with non-wrestlers (and if he was still on WWF TV that late, it was definitely because he had value in the St. Louis market), but I'd argue for Matysik that his cutoff should be when he went to the WWF. I don't think anyone's factoring in his indie work, WWF work as a local promoter/wraparound announcer, etc. to his candidacy, just his work as announcer, booker, and GM for the St. Louis Wrestling Club. And maybe to an extent his brief run with his own promotion in '83.

Eric has a last name?

I think I mentioned in passing that he's the guy from Fox & Friends but that was about it.

Wasn't "minimal Tenryu" a (Mrs?) Baba edict like no Choshu, at least on the original Samurai TV run of AJPW Classics?

I have NO IDEA what you're talking about...

Haven't most of the Japanese candidates we've questioned been guys who Dave said got huge support from within Japan itself, especially Japanese journalists? It's why I've thrown up my hands and abstained from voting in the category: It's the only one where there appears to be a very clear dividing line between what the native and foreign fans think.

Dunno if I should make a new thread, but... ***** It's time for the 2015 Hall of Fame elections. This ballot is being sent out to major wrestling stars, past and present, major management figures in the industry, writers and historians. If you are getting this, you are being asked your opinion on who should be inducted into this year's Hall of Fame class. The criteria for the Hall of Fame is a combination of drawing power, being a great in-ring performer or excelling in ones field in pro wrestling, as well as having historical significance in a positive manner. A candidate should either have something to offer in all three categories, or be someone so outstanding in one or two of those categories that they deserve inclusion. The names listed below are those under consideration for this year. To be eligible, a performer must have reached their 35th birthday and completed ten years since their debut as a full-time performer, or be someone who has been a full-time pro wrestler for at least 15 years. Longevity should be a prime consideration rather than a hot two or three year run, unless someone is so significant as a trend-setter or a historical figure in the business, or valuable to the industry, that they need to be included. However, just longevity without being either a long-term main eventer, a top draw and/or a top caliber in-ring performer should be seen as relatively meaningless. The election is broken down into a number of categories. You should check each category for wrestlers that you feel you are familiar enough with based on geography that you've either traveled or are familiar with, and based on the time you have followed pro wrestling. You do not have to vote for a wrestler in every category you've checked. The ballot is also broken down to wrestlers and those who are not pro wrestlers but have been valuable parts of the industry. The maximum number of wrestlers that you can vote for all the categories is ten. You can pick as few as zero if you don't believe anyone on this list deserves inclusion. For wrestling executives, managers, announcers and other outside the ring performers, you can vote for them and they are not counted against the ten. You can vote for as many as five of them. All responses are confidential. There is nothing to worry about politically about any involvement in this process. Your selections will not be revealed unless you choose to do so yourself. Anyone who receives mention on 60% of the ballots from the geographical region and time frame (broken down as Continental United States & Canada; Mexico; Japan; Europe; and Hawaii/Australia/New Zealand) will be added to the Hall of Fame in the class of 2015. If you are unfamiliar with any of the candidates due to geography of having never seen them, that is fine. Ballots are sent to many people from all over the world and from different wrestling cultures so that everyone has as fair a shot at possible. The breakdown for modern and historical performers is 30 years ago, or 1985. So if the last year the person was a headliner, or was a key figure in the industry, was prior to 1985, they would be in the historical class. All performers who receive mention on 10% to 59.9% of the ballots from their geographical region or era will remain on the ballot for consideration next year. All those who receive less than 10% of the vote will be dropped from next year's ballot. They can return in two years based on if there is significant feedback from voters who say they will vote for them. This is mostly for wrestlers who are still active who may improve their career legacy, but can be for retired wrestlers if voters believe they should be put on or returned to the ballot. In addition, in following the lead of the baseball Hall of Fame, which is the model here, starting this year we have a 15-year-rule. The following candidates have been on the ballot since 2000. In baseball, this would be their last year of eligibility. Here, if they don't get at least 50% of the votes in this year's election they will be removed from the ballot. If they are modern candidates, they can be brought back in the historical performers era in two years if it is more than 30 years since their career as a Hall Fame level performer is up: The following candidates will be dropped from next year's ballot unless they are elected in or garner 50% of the vote: Gene & Ole Anderson Cien Caras Carlos Colon Villano III Volk Han Please return this ballot by October 5th. You can e-mail the ballot back to [email protected] or fax it to 408-244-3402 or mail (please do so by September 28th) to Wrestling Observer, P.O. Box 1228, Campbell, CA 95009-1228. Please check by every category you are familiar with I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES The Assassins (Joe Hamilton & Tom Renesto) Red Bastien June Byers Cowboy Bob Ellis Bob Geigel Pepper Gomez Dick Hutton Rocky Johnson Kinji Shibuya John Tolos Enrique Torres Von Brauners & Saul Weingeroff Johnny "Mr. Wrestling II" Walker Tim "Mr. Wrestling" Woods Ron Wright I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan Junkyard Dog Edge Curt Hennig Ivan Koloff Brock Lesnar Randy Orton C.M. Punk Big Show Sgt. Slaughter Sting A.J. Styles Ultimate Warrior I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES Jun Akiyama Cima George Gordienko Volk Han Masahiko Kimura Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan Yuji Nagata Shinsuke Nakamura Mike & Ben Sharpe Minoru Suzuki Kiyoshi Tamura Akira Taue I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES Perro Aguayo Jr. Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo Cien Caras Hector Garza Ultimo Guerrero Karloff Lagarde Blue Panther L.A. Park Huracan Ramirez El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro Vampiro Villano III Dr. Wagner Jr. I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES Jim Breaks Big Daddy Horst Hoffman Billy Joyce Kendo Nagasaki Jackie Pallo Rollerball Mark Rocco Johnny Saint Ricki Starr Otto Wanz I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES Spyros Arion Johnny Barend Brute Bernard & Skull Murphy Carlos Colon Domenic DeNucci Killer Karl Kox Mark Lewin Mario Milano NON-WRESTLERS Bill Apter Dave Brown Jim Crockett Jr. Jim Crockett Sr. Gary Hart Jimmy Hart Howard Finkel Jerry Jarrett Larry Matysik Gorilla Monsoon Gene Okerluind Don Owen George Scott Stanley Weston

I keep promising then forgetting to do it.

Okada being so relatively low is not as ridiculous as them including Tenzan in the spot intended for Tanahashi. But it's pretty clear they don't have much guidance on international stuff these days.

The damning thing is that there's really not all that much new information that led to today's indictment (although that's not the way the DA spun it). The forensic information was there (although not public record). Snuka's rapidly changing story was known. If they didn't discover during their first investigation that Snuka had been arrested for attacking Nancy in a hotel room a few months earlier, then that would be shockingly bad police work. I mean singularly, but really it's kind of six of one and half sixteen of the other. But when you consider that part of there legacy of the case was that Nancy's matter of death was inconclusive, it stands out as a pretty messed up individual piece that screams cover up.

Irv's article never ran in the Village Voice. They went back on the deal (for a Titangate article when Snuka as a sidebar), he won $4,000 in small claims court. and it made its debut online around 2001 even he added it to his website. That said, Jeff Savage covered it in his Penthouse article about Titangate. IIRC, it was a big seller due toa Howard Stern cover story Weird side note: Irv got booked on Fox's late night show with Ross Schafer to promote the Con Erichs article. So it's not like there was no awareness of it beyond those who read it.

Bix or Keith: if you get your hands on the presentment, or find a link to it, please share. That would be an interesting read. Irv uploaded it earlier. Haven't gotten a chance to do more than skim it yet.

To me, the most damning thing from a law enforcement perspective was when the Allentown Morning Call got their hands on th autopsy report, where the coroner ruled Nancy's death a homicide pending investigation. Well, if it was a homicide and the only person of interest admits being the only person with her the whole time...

Depends on when. Looking at old order confirmation emails for tickets: $35.00 - Ring of Honor Club Seating 3rd Row Reserved- 10/1/05 (New York - New Yorker Hotel ballroom - Joe vs. Kobashi) $25.00 - Ring of Honor Club Seating 3rd Row Reserved- 12/3/05 (New York - Basketball City - 1st Steel Cage Warfare) $25.00 - Ring of Honor Club Seating 5th Row Reserved- 6/17/06 (New York - New Yorker Hotel ballroom - Danielson vs. Joe vs. KENTA) $20.00 - Ring of Honor Club Seating General Admission Ticket- 9/16/06 (New York - Grand Ballroom at the Manhattan Center - Danielson vs. KENTA/Marufuji vs. McGuiness) $25.00 - Ring of Honor Club Seating 4th Row Reserved- 12/23/06 (New York - Grand Ballroom at the Manhattan Center - Danielson vs. Homicide)

Agreed, the numbers would be really interesting. Though I would assume that the biggest spikes in sales could be seen on events with big Samoa Joe matches (Punk vs. Joe II, Punk vs. Joe III, Joe vs. Kobashi). Gabe did an interview when he was still in ROH and at some pint post-Joe Kobashi where he said no ROH DVD had ever sold 10,000 units.

I would never lie about having a cat.