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Was Rip Rogers working there at the time? I'm just curious how he would know. I believe he was. I know he was there in 1980.
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I tweeted Rip Rogers about this match and he confirms it was Buddy telling Martel what to do. I personally thought more highly of Martel's performance than you. I thought he sold really well, and showed good baby face fire. I'm sure it was Buddy telling him to work over his back, and Martel did a great job at that. It was a match that made sense, their seemed to be no wasted movement in it. Most importantly it told a great story.
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After watching the promos and seeing the tag match I bet Lawler and Tully had a bad ass match.
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I just assumed it was another one done for a specific town. So Bix please clarify because I'm curious.
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Disc 13 is pretty amazing. Not for the matches, but for the build to the Lawler vs Dundee LLT match. Lawler vs. John Tolos Too bad we don't get dual promos to start. Tolos is up there at this point. He does one of the greatest Pearl Harbor spots I've ever seen. So Tolos is on top to start with some basic arm work. Tolos seems like he has lost his ability to bump. Lawler works really hard here. He takes some big bumps and tries to make this interesting. I'd go 2 1/4* on the match. PileDriver match Lawler vs. Colossus of Death/Andy Kaufman This was pretty bad, but super heated. They do a great job of milking the moment of Lawler getting to Andy. Kaufman does a great job of selling a broken jaw in the match. Highlights of Lawler vs. Patera This looked pretty fun and really wish we had the match in whole. I think these guys could have been a hot match. Now the 2 t.v shows of the Lawler/Dundee was so perfect. Two guys where you could cut the tension with a knife. You felt they hate each other and believe that one of them must leave. We get great back and forth. Lance was the master at MCing this spectacle. This might have been the greatest piece of business ever. We get great music videos and hit me with your best shot of Lawler throwing punches might have been greatest video ever. Showing wrestlers picking winners was great. Eddie Marlin talking about possible replacements was amazing. Freddie Miller telling the wrestlers they can come to Georgia to wrestle. This was just perfect. I liked the Evansville show too, but the studio setting just had a more edgey feel to it. 8 billiion stars. Where can I buy a ticket?
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I'm about an hr and 15 in and I'm really liking Brad's dry sense of humor .
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I was cranking up when Parv tried to segway out of the Parv impersonations. LMAO
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Regal tweeted that they interviewed him for a documentary for the network on the evolution if his character.
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Please don't judge the rest of us as needs just because Parv is a Dungeons and Dragons expert.
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I'm on to the next disc which easily could be called the Jimmy Hart HOF reel. Cornette was pretty fun here too. We got great angles and promos here. Most of the matches are highlights. Their were 2 Bobby Eaton matches that were pretty solid. Bobby here at this point was a bumper, and punch type of guy. The matches were designed to make Lawler look good. Jerry Lawler & Bill Dundee vs. Adrian Street & The Apocalypse (CWA 12/11/82) This is a real fun tag. Street came across as the star of the match. Him and Dundee had great chemistry in the ring. I loved Lawler skipping in the ring. Street's strikes looked great. Apocalypse is a dumb gimmick though the name would have worked for a monster. Boyette has a rep as a bumper, but it's not evident here. Still we get a 3* match. Jerry Lawler & Bob Sweetan vs. Adrian Adonis & Tully Blanchard (SW 1/16/83) Man this is a great tag. Steve Saks does a great job getting over the injury angle with Sweetan. It starts with the heels working over Sweetan's neck. Sweetan sells it like death. He tags to Lawler and the heels are great bumping and stooging for him. They make Lawler look like a million bucks. Then they start to get heat on Lawler and he's amazing in the FIP role. The heels are great at blocking the hot tag and it really builds the heat. Lawler is also great at going for the desperate hot tag which when he gets it even means that much more. I'd go 4 1/4 * on the match.
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In the Kamala segment it was odd for Lawler to bust out the racist lines. Usually in wrestling it's the heel. Then again the black man was usually pushed as a face. So the heel uses the racist comments to generate heat.
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I watched disc 11 and it's another killer disc. The Lawler/Cornette interactions are a lot of fun. Still Lawler was being a bully. Jerry Lawler vs. Kamala (Studio) (8/28/82) This wasn't much of a match, but a wild ass fight that brought out Eaton and Sugar along with Keirn and Taylor. We get a fun studio bout with Dream Machine. I always preferred Dream as a face. We get a bunch of clipped matches. I loved the interaction and promo off of Bock amd Lawler. They are so different characters that play off each other well. The phone interview with Kaufman was classic. We get 3 Lawler/Bockwinkle matches. All 3 of the matches are worked differently. That's a feather in both guys caps. Jerry Lawler vs. Nick Bockwinkel (10/18/82) This is my favorite between the 3 matches. Here the pace is kinda methodical but the guys do it to make everything count. Lawler starts off fast and gets the early shine.Both guys are awesome at working each others back.I love Lawler's running punch. Again this feels like 2 masters playing chess. 4 1/4* match. Jerry Lawler vs. Nick Bockwinkel (10/25/82) I thought this was the lesser of the 3. This was still good. They work a 10 minute hammer lock spot. That got kinda old, but I did dig Lawler's escape attempts and Bock still holding on. We get some brawling and mat wrestling here. We get a screw job ending that Lawler is so smart he's able to turn the crowds anger away from the ref. 3 3/4* match Jerry Lawler vs. Nick Bockwinkel (No DQ) (11/8/82) They work this match so smartly with the stips. It's not as intense as the Dutch matches, but it made more sense and didn't leave any opportunities on the table. The punches here are so great. The finish lacked excitement, but it made sense. Lawler has a hell of a fist drop. The story of the match is well done. 4* match.
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I mean they're awesome matches . I liked them more when I watched them the for the Memphis set. Though looking at them now their are some small flaws that bother me. I still rate them high, but some stuff nags at me. For example in the 1st match Dutch threw that chair at Lawler's leg. Dutch went after the leg, but not as much, and as vicious as I wanted. Dutch seemed happy to punch Lawler in the face. It worked, but not as much as Dutch attacking the leg. The feud was still amazing . This match i'd rate 4 1/4*.
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I just finished disc #10. So far this stuff has been tremendous. We cover the rest of the Mantell feud. The Kaufman stuff was a lot of fun. We have 2 of the greatest studio matches from 80's on this disc. Lawler vs Dutch LLT. This was a great studio bout. We get great promos, and some amazing action. The punches here are so fucking stiff looking. They really come across as hating the fuck out of each other. Lawler does an amazing running punch to Dutch on the apron. This match has it all and one of the all time great studio bouts. A great 4 1/4* match. Lawler vs. Dutch No DQ, Barbed Wire match. Another strong match in the feud. This is worked a bit different since they can't leave the ring. Here again we get a really great brawl. they throw tremendous punches. They use and tease the wire. Both guys are bloody. They work the cuts like pros. They put over the wins and losses in this feud. They were referring to this as the Final Conflict. So I guess Memphis was ahead of the curve to Crockett promotions with the slogan. 4* match. We get the Kaufman stuff and it's entertaining and historic. We get highlights of matches against Kamala, and Kendo Nagasaki. Lawler vs. Flair Another great studio match, and one of the best of the 80's. The promos here were top notch. The match was worked perfectly to sell tickets for a rematch. 2 of the all time greats being great on the stick, and in the ring. Then on top of it we get a great post match angle that helps pick up business. 3 1/2*. Lawler vs. Sweetan This is what you would call a Lawler special. This is a match where Lawler is a master at stalling and generating heat. It's also a match Lawler detactors might point out as a knock against him. Here it works, but when he does it with Eddie Gilbert not so much. Sweetan is over in San Antonio, throws a good punch, is a smart worker, but has flaws like mediocre bumper, and has a good piledriver. We see some stalling. Both guys throw great punches. I thought Sweetan's arm work was really awesome, but a bit on the short side. The finish was a lot of fun and the post match with Sweetan's piledriver was pretty great. 3 1/2 * match. All in all Lawler is making a case as the greatest of all time. Will he take over Flair as my #1? Let's see so far I'm enjoying the ride.
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I'd agree Dustin would have been over in 94 in ECW for a one shot in ECW. People knew he was a good worker at this point, and probably felt he was getting short shifted in feuds with Buck, and doing jobs. Now Buck is another story . It took a while to get Dreamer and Lee over . Buck is coming in for a one shot. I would find it hard he'd be able to get over for a one shot.
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In 1994 I hated the Buck gimmick. The gimmick screamed out jobber to me. Hell he looked like a hobo to me. Now as an adult I can appreciate his work, but not really in 94.
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I liked Steamboat/Snuka better than this too.
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I'd love to hear Parv's thoughts on it. I haven't been able to peg Parv on anything when it comes to rating matches. They'll be matches and I'm like Parv us going to love/hate this match and be totally wrong.
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I have seen the Race/Martel match from Portland. I believe I watched it 3 years ago so I'm in no position to talk about it. I'll pop it in sometime and comment on it.
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Probably impressed with your views on the forum To Dylan Hales for being the best poster on a board I can't believe my name is associated with. Your views brighten my day among the trolls and millions of photoshops of myself. Dave. LOL
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I told you privately Brad, now I'll say it so everyone can hear. That is one sick logo.
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Dream Machine lived in Memphis . I was at a bachelor party in a Memphis nightclub around that time. Dream Machine's girl friend was either a waitress or a dancer , he was at the club to watch over her. We all got to meet Troy . Really a nice guy . The rumor was that Dream had substance abuse issues . Jarrett would just stopped booking him. The only runs I remember for the Dream were in the outlaw Jackson , MS territory , the two Memphis runs and a stint in Ron Fuller 's USA Pro Wrestling . I think the Memphis runs were from 1981 to 1985/ 86 and then the final short USWA stint. I am not sure , but I think he worked as a bouncer . The strip club stuff sounds real familiar.
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I think it boils down in what we like about wrestling . For me it's logic and I'm a mark for working body parts. The focus of the match is so tight. I know their are a lot of fans if this match out there. Superstar Sleeze gave it 4 1/2*, I know Dylan and Matt D champion the match. In fact I believe Dylan called it his best match in the U.S of 1980. I know Will is a fan if the match . Phil S. liked it enough to make a Schneider comp. This match is a classic.