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  1. Her Social Security position isn't going to help either: McMahon Blames Press For Silence On Social Security Granted, the GOP/rightwing marks will happily blame the media. But it's a seed well sown with people who care about SS. John
  2. The comments section is pretty funny. My favorite: This is Romney Math: 50K * $118 per year = $5,900,000 Ummm... you think Dave would be giving a shit about writing for Yahoo or SBNation is he was grossing $6M a year off the WON? John
  3. I don't think Forest looked good against Tito either. But he's a big 205. Chael is a comfortable 185. I don't Chael taking Forest down. I don't see him winning a stand up. Seriously, if UFC thought Chael was an easy favorite in the match, they would have kept it on UFC 155. They need a monster buyrate, and heavyweight title with a good "drawing" semi is a ticket. Chael then could go coach, and then have his match with Bones with even more wind at his back.
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  5. After failing twice in title shots at MW, and without a single LHW fight after that to establish himself in the division, our new challenger for Bones is... Chael Sonnen I get the UFC having a sneaky suspicion that the non-contender Forest would be favorite to beat Chael and put Chael further down the line in challenging Bones. I also get business, and feeling the need to strike while the coals may be hot for not only the PPV but also to boost a TUF franchise that is dying a hard death on FX. That doesn't mean I have to like it. John
  6. http://www.theday.com/article/20121016/NWS...10169924/-1/nws
  7. These get to be diminishing returns after a while barring a major screw up. One wonders how many are still turning in, and how many are truly swing voters at this point. John
  8. Friends don't let friends hand out star ratings while drunk / high / stoned. John
  9. They could be short (i.e. the Rockers first trip to the WWF / the Birds pass through), or they could be long. The worked for the WWF as long as Vince wanted them, and on rarer occasions when they thought they had a better offer elsewhere (Arn & Tully). Of course, and we all know the reason: the WWF's Expansion caused a change as they hired just about everyone they wanted. By 1988, the guys who "moved around a lot" were people on the fringe of wrestling in the US. There just weren't opportunities. The AWA, Memphis, World Class... these were the fringe, along with indies. They were largely than indies, but couldn't have held onto anyone that the WWF or JCP really wanted. Not interested enough to bust out a spreadsheet to try to figure it out. For example, do we have any idea how much: * workers got for their ice cream bars * merch * appearances on video * Mania & Survivors PPV bonus * for working opening matches * for working in the middle of the card * how it varied per town * what those gates really were * how many shows are missing from Graham's archive * what other perks like video game money are out there * other under the table money that's out there It's a rabbit hole, unless one of them wants to come forward and document it. Even then, we are unlikely to get a clear picture of enough different wrestlers to build a model of what a midcarder will make relative to a upper card guy relative to Working With Hogan relative to a prelim guy. You asked why people didn't move as much after a certain point in the 80s. It was answered: the WWF's expansion, and in turn contracts in JCP. You asked why people moved in the 70s more. It was answered: people moved around from place to place because programs ran their course in territories, and if you're a Top Guy you moved onto another territory for another program. You asked why people stayed in the WWF for a long time. It was answered: Vince paid good, and he had contracts that weren't easy to get out of. You asked about annual salaries. It was answered: Vince didn't do that until the 90s except in rare cases, while JCP/WCW did. Now you're shifting it into whether Koko made $20K or $300K, which isn't remotely included in your question about Short-Term-Contract Guys. John
  10. Will Punk take the title into Mania, or will Rock lift it from him at the Rumble? I seem to recall the plans were for Rock-Punk at the Rumble. Anyway, if Punk gets to the Rumble without dropping it, that's 434 straight days with the belt... the longest run since Hogan I. 1474 Hogan I 380 Cena III 371 Savage I 364 Hogan II 358 Diesel 331+ Punk II Looking at the PPV coming up: 343 Hell in a Cell 364 Survivors 392 TLC 434 Rumble So kind of pulling for him to get to TLC at least, but Rumble would be even better given Rock and the ability for him to start talking about having the longest reign since Hulk Hogan. John
  11. As Hollinger says, the WWF in the Expansion Era signed guys to contracts. He wasn't for a annual salary, or even a real guarantee, or a down side guarantee. They were paid for appearances and placement on the cards. Was there a fixed formula? Not one that's easy to determine. You've got guys like Kamala not bitching about how much they made opposite Hogan while main eventing sellouts, but his comments stretch reality since no one else who worked against Hogan drawing what Hogan-Kamala drew (which was a shitload of money) has claims of making that little money. Guys were paid "something", and appeared to be generally okay with what it was: you didn't see a lot of them jumping to Crockett until after Vince was through with them. Jerry: take a step back and think what you're asking and how goofy it is. Do we have Koko's contract? Do we have Koko's tax returns? Do we have Koko's check stubs? Do we have the WWF's payable ledgers to show what was being cut to specific people? Do we know what Koko was getting under the table? Okay... so you're going to say that's Koko, so maybe we don't have his. Do we have it for Any Wrestler In the 80s? No. Nor will we ever. We have some hints, a few documents (like the stuff in Corny's MX book), some comments in books and shoot interviews... probably 80% of which is total fucking bullshit. So don't be silly and think that anyone, including you, can figure out what Koko was making his living off of. For all we know he was the coke supplier among the boys and was netting an extra $100K a year off of that. Seriously... we don't know. Contract that you had to give notice in a narrow window to get out of, during which the WWF would bury your ass (or have you piss in a jar to completely fuck up the rest of your career like Tully). *scratches head* Let's take some Clash's: Clash of the Champions XVII November 19, 1991 * Tom Zenk pinned The Diamond Stud (1:24). Zenk worked in the WWF after 1985. * Dustin Rhodes & Ricky Steamboat beat Arn Anderson & Larry Zbysko (14:48) to win the WCW Tag Title Three people from that match worked in the WWF after 1985. * Rick Rude pinned Sting (4:50) to win the WCW U.S. Title. Rude worked in the WWF after 1985. Wait... three people won shares of WCW titles on that card, and all three were formers WWF'ers. Clash of the Champions VI April 2, 1989 in New Orleans, LA * Junkyard Dog pinned Butch Reed (9:56). Both were WWF after 1985. * Bob Orton pinned Dick Murdoch (0:33). Murdoch was WWF slightly into 1985, but we'll discount him. Orton of course was WWF after 1985. * Mike Rotunda & Steve Williams beat The Road Warriors (11:40) to win the NWA Tag Title Rotunda was WWF after 1985. * Ranger Ross beat Iron Sheik (1:56) via DQ. Sheik was WWF after 1985. * NWA U.S. Tag Champs Eddie Gilbert & Rick Steiner beat Danny Spivey & Kevin Sullivan (3:51) Spivey was WWF after 1985. * NWA World Champ Ricky Steamboat beat Ric Flair (55:32) in three falls. Steamer was WWF after 1985. I lost track... how many was that? 7? We could do that on a lot of Clash's. Funk? Terry Taylor? Greg Valentine? Dick Slater? Lots. I suspect just looking at the Clashs from 1988-92 we'll find around 20 guys who had worked in the WWF from 1985-90. You took my comment that there weren't annual salaries and guarantees then ran with it to think there weren't contracts. There were contracts. Valentine worked for the WWF until he got a deal with WCW that was better. Hansen came in during 1990. I listed a number of guys above who moved in and out. Butch Reed was with the WWF for a decent length of time, then with WCW for a decent length of time. Steamboat? Rude? Arn? My thought would be the obvious two: * How many companies were there in the 70s that offered a decent living, and how many were there from 1985-90? * Vince paid well, and to retain talent his competitors (which essentially was only Crockett after 1986) had to lock their top talent down to contracts Murdoch really wasn't moving every 3 months in 1988. He certainly wasn't bouncing between the WWF, JCP, AWA, World Class, Memphis and back during 1988. In fact... http://www.thehistoryofwwe.com/jcp88.htm January 1, 1988: Dusty Rhodes defeated Nikita Koloff, Dick Murdoch, Black Bart, and Bobby Eaton in a Bunkhouse Stampede match February 12, 1988: Dusty Rhodes, Nikita Koloff, Barry Windham, & Misty Blue defeated Dick Murdoch, Jim Cornette, Bobby Eaton & Stan Lane April 8, 1988: Dick Murdoch pinned Shane Douglas May 6, 1988: Sting pinned Dick Murdoch July 7, 1988: Jimmy Garvin defeated Dick Murdoch August 1, 1988: Dick Murdoch defeated the Russian Assassin September 1, 1988: Dick Murdoch defeated Larry Zbyzsko October 2, 1988: Bobby Eaton & Stan Lane fought Dick Murdoch & Dusty Rhodes to a draw December 30, 1988: Dick Murdoch defeated Russian Assassin #1 Gap in March, June and November. Two were long NJPW tours that he was on: 05/20/88 - 06/26/88: '88 IWGP Champion Series (New Japan) 11/11/88 - 12/08/88 '88 Japan Cup Series (New Japan) I can't find the details for the Feb/Mar tour online, but do see that matches he was in listed on TV or in Hisa's list of matches for Sakaguchi on the dates of 2/29, 3/11 and 3/19. So Dick was in JCP in 1988 with the exception of (i) NJPW tours and (ii) one assumes Dusty giving him some time off here and there. John
  12. I could have sworn everyone knew it was wildly successful. On a lark, I went looking for the rating using a rather obvious Google search (Halftime Heat rating)... hmm... first item on the results... Yow... that's even better than I thought. The thing went 19+ minutes long. I suspect USA and Vince were over the moon that they were able to pull a 6.6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSLnN-SBJDU John
  13. I know. I only mention it because Dave claimed in a recent write up to be actively pursuing info on him. But after reading what he wrote, I think it's more a case of "we need to know more," than "DeGlane is going in." That's generally the way I feel. Not sure if I got that across to Steve that the case needs to be built up more. I will neither confirm or deny that. But will say he's someone that we should have put in a good while ago... probably right after Curley (who in turn should have gone in the original class). John
  14. The WWF didn't do "annual salaries" with wrestlers, the exception being *perhaps* Hogan. I don't even think the term "down side guarantee" came into being in the WWF until the 90s. Other promotions did annual salaries / guarantees / down side guarantees to keep people from heading to the WWF. Zenk is a noted bullshitter, expert in putting over Zenk. I'm not saying that Martel's version should be trusted 100%: it was 20+ years ago, he's a wrestler, and Zenk is a footnote in his career (and Zenk's an asshole to boot). But Zenk's version of the truth is something that if he told you Water Is Wet, you'd really have to double check it. John
  15. Hogan claims he will sue Bubba, Ex-Mrs. Bubba & Gwaker over tape John
  16. Trip wants a payday? John
  17. Not really sure what the premise of the original question is. I would think that Jerry has read and seen enough of the territory days to know that people moved around a ton, often passing through areas for 1-2 storylines before heading out of town. This has always been seen in the WWF prior to their going national. Here are four major challengers to Bruno/Backlund and their stretches working MSG: Superstar 12/15/75 - 05/17/76 05/16/77 - 11/20/78 (extended due to World Title) 10/04/82 - 04/25/83 Patera 01/17/77 - 06/26/78 01/21/80 - 12/29/80 (extended via IC Title) Valentine 02/19/79 - 10/22/79 10/19/81 - 06/28/82 Koloff 12/09/69 - 03/09/70 09/14/70 - 02/08/71 10/13/75 - 05/17/76 08/28/78 - 03/26/79 04/25/83 - 12/26/83 Hansen 04/26/76 - 11/22/76 02/16/81 - 05/04/81 It was pretty common for guys to come in and not stick around for a lot longer than their program on top, then work down, then head out. Patera's long original run is a combo of (i) Ken not working every card, (ii) his feud with Bruno not full blown off while Bruno had the title which meant the blow off came after Bruno dropped the title to Graham, and (iii) Patera happening to be around when Bob got the belt to be one of his early challengers. Also the fact that Patera probably was reasonably over. We think of Ivan being there all the time in the 70s, but he wasn't. Feud with Bruno ended fast. Then he was brought back to get the belt from Bruno, then gone when Pedro won it. Brought back deep into Bruno's second reign as a trusty old rival and Bruno never really getting revenge. Then brought in with Backlund as a heel who had held the belt. Overall, in and out. It's worth noting that in MSG you had: * monthly shows * could work a 2-3 match program on top * could transition into a feud with a secondary wrestler (Andrea, Gorilla, Strongbow) for 2-3 matches And there's six months. For territories like Memphis, you have *weekly* shows. You burn through a feud faster. In other territories you might have shows in the major arena(s) every 2-3 weeks, which again burns through things faster than MSG. John
  18. I don't know if two are getting in. There was some push for DeGlane, then there was a stronger push for Sonnenberg. Given the lack of strong candidates, it's probably wise for Dave to go with one a year from pre-1950. There's another strong candidate from that era that isn't in, stronger than DeGlane and pretty much has just been an oversight. I would expect that candidate to go in next year if folks like Steve marshal their advocacy. I keep trying to make the point: focus on the best candidate, get a consensus, get him in, then look for the next best candidate, get a consensus, get him in, wash:rinse:repeat. Avoid going for "favorites", learn from ones where you run into a brick wall with Dave (say like Orville Brown), and set them aside until you can revisit. At a certain point he'll need to add pre-1960 to what is essentially the Vet Committee group of candidate. John
  19. CMPunks list of 1991 WCW matches/angles/interviews. I haven't cut this down to just the matches seeing how you guys have been including various interviews and angles. I don't recall 1991 WCW being loaded with interesting angles, but sifting through this you might have some things jump out at you. Notes: * 1/5/91 & 1/12/91 WCWSN were taped 12/11/90 * Unclear when early Jan-1991 WWW and Main Event shows were taped. * see end of list for Jan-1992 notes It's worth a bit of research on Graham's site, though with 1990 & 1992 in the can already, it's more important to be consistent with where those two stopped and started. WCW # 1: Jan 7, 1991 - Feb. 1, 1991 1. Tom Zenk vs Arn Anderson World Wide 1/7/1991 5:47 2. Sting vs Ric Flair (JIP) WCW House 1/11/1991 4 mins 3. Horsemen interview NWA House 1/11/1991 4. Horsemen/Youngbloods confrontation WCW Sat 1/12/1991 5. 4 Horsemen vs Sting/Steiners/Pillman Main Event 1/20/1991 16:20 6. Ric Flair on the Danger Zone Main Event 1/20/1991 7. Doom interview NWA Sat 1/26/1991 8. Sting/Lex Luger interview NWA Sat 1/26/1991 9. Horsemen video NWA Sat 1/26/1991 10. Arn/Barry interview NWA Sat 1/26/1991 11. Windham/Anderson vs Morton/Rich (Doom) NWA Pro NY 1/26/1991 16:40 12. Dusty Rhodes returns to WCW Clash 14 1/30/1991 13. Doom vs Sting/Luger Clash 14 1/30/1991 10:33 14. Windham/Anderson vs Renegade Warriors Clash 14 1/30/1991 7:29 15. Stan Hansen interview Clash 14 1/30/1991 16. Ric Flair at LT's Sports Bar Clash 14 1/30/1991 17. Ric Flair vs Scott Steiner Clash 14 1/30/1991 24:25 18. Arn Anderson vs Bobby Eaton Power Hour 2/1/1991 10:41 WCW # 2: Feb. 2, 1991 - Feb 16, 1991 1. Freebirds vs Pillman/Brad Armstrong World Wide 2/2/1991 6:11 2. Steiners vs Blasters (Freebirds run in) World Wide 2/2/1991 51 secs 3. Ric Flair interview (El Gigante) NWA Sat 2/2/1991 4. Windham/Anderson vs Armstrong/Horner NWA Sat 2/2/1991 16:39 5. Doom interview NWA Sat 2/2/1991 6. DDP challenges Doom for the Freebirds Main Event 2/3/1991 7. Sting vs Buddy Landell WCW Pro 2/9/1991 1:19 8. Ric Flair interview World Wide 2/9/1991 9. Barry Windham vs Ron Simmons World Wide 2/9/1991 3:20 10. Ric Flair vs Mike Hart World Wide 2/9/1991 3:27 11. Ric Flair/El Gigante confrontation World Wide 2/9/1991 12. Ric Flair interview WCW Sat 2/9/1991 13. El Gigante interview (Ric Flair) NWA Sat 2/9/1991 14. Windham/Sid/Arn vs BA/Horner/Eagle WCW Sat 2/9/1991 12:07 15. Doom vs Freebirds Main Event 2/10/1991 9:46 16. Windham/Anderson vs Doom WCW House 02/14/1991 5 mins 17. Ric Flair vs Sting WCW House 2/14/1991 22:33 18. Barry Windham/Sid Vicious interview WWW 2/16/1991 19. Arn Anderson vs Bobby Eaton WWW 2/16/1991 6:14 WCW # 3: Feb. 16, 1991 - March 10, 1991 1. Ric Flair promo WWW 2/16/1991 2. Ric Flair/El Gigante confrontation (Sting) WWW 2/16/1991 3. Horsemen attack a jobber NWA Pro 2/16/1991 4. Ric Flair Interview WWW 2/23/1991 5. El Gigante vs State Patrol (Flair) WWW 2/23/1991 1:37 6. Windham/Arn vs Armstrong/Horner WWW 2/23/1991 7:16 7. Sting interview WCW Sat 2/23/1991 8. Horsemen vs Angel/Summers/Santo/Isley WCW Sat 2/23/1991 5:36 9. 4 Horsemen Intv (Back door unlocked) WCW Sat 2/23/1991 10. 4 Horsemen attack Brian Pillman WCW Sat 2/23/1991 2:45 11. Sting interview WCW Sat 2/23/1991 12. Lex Luger vs Dan Spivey WW 91 2/24/1991 13:02 13. Nikita Koloff gives Luger new US title WW 91 2/24/1991 14. Stan Hansen vs Vader WW 91 2/24/1991 7:40 15. Doom vs Freebirds WW 91 2/24/1991 7:00 16. Wargames 91 WW 91 2/24/1991 22:00 17. Barry Windham vs El Gigante (Flair) Power Hour 3/2/1991 43 sec 18. Barry Windham vs Ron Simmons (JIP) WWW 3/3/1991 3 mins 19. Barry Windham promo (leaves Horsemen) WWW 3/3/1991 20. Freebirds vs Steiner Bros Power Hour 3/9/1991 4:08 21. Sting/Larry Zbyszko confrontation WWW 3/10/1991 22. Ric Flair vs Tim Horner (Sting) WWW 3/10/1991 3:54 WCW # 4: March 10, 1991 - March 24, 1991 1. Ric Flair/Sting confrontation WWW 3/10/1991 2. Lex Luger vs Sid Vicious WWW 3/10/1991 8:41 3. Sting/Larry Zbyszko confrontation Power Hour 3/16/1991 4. Sting vs Larry Zbyszko Power Hour 3/16/1991 6:27 5. Ric Flair attacks Ranger Ross WCW Sat 3/17/1991 6. Ric Flair interview WCW Sat 3/17/1991 7. WCW wrestlers arrive in Japan Japan SS 1 3/21/1991 8. Jushin Liger vs Akira Nogami (clipped) Japan SS 1 3/21/1991 5 mins 9. Windham & Anderson vs Chono & Saito Japan SS 1 3/21/1991 7:45 10. Steiners vs Hiro Hase & K. Sasaki Japan SS 1 3/21/1991 9:50 11. Great Muta vs Sting Japan SS 1 3/21/1991 11:41 12. Ric Flair vs Tatsumi Fujinami Japan SS 1 3/21/1991 23:23 13. Flair retrieves WCW title belt Japan SS 1 3/21/1991 14. Barry Windham vs Ricky Morton WCW WWW 3/24/1991 3:39 15. Ric Flair promo WCW WWW 3/24/1991 16. Arn Anderson vs Brian Pillman WCW Pro 3/24/1991 2:58 WCW # 5: March 24, 1991 - May 12, 1991 1. Arn/Sid attack Pillman WCW Pro 3/24/1991 2. Flair/Windham vs Morton/Big Josh WCW Sat 3/24/1991 12:23 3. Barry Windham vs Brian Pillman (JIP) Power Hour 3/29/1991 1 min 4. Stan Hansen interview WCW Pro 3/30/1991 5. Ric Flair promo WCW Pro 3/30/1991 6. Nikita Koloff interview WCW Sat 3/30/1991 7. Lex Luger vs Nikita Koloff (JIP) WCW House 4/4/1991 3 mins 8. Lex Luger interview WCW House 4/4/1991 9. Dustin Rhodes vs Larry Zbyszko WCW Sat 4/13/1991 9:06 10. Luger/Koloff brawls WCW Sat 4/13/1991 11. Arn Anderson interview WCW Sat 4/13/1991 12. Ric Flair vs Brian Pillman WCW Sat 4/13/1991 13:24 13. Arn Anderson vs Brian Pillman Main Event 4/14/1991 10:00 14. Barry Windham interview Power Hour 4/19/1991 15. Ric Flair vs Tim Parker WWW 4/20/1991 2:24 16. Ric Flair interview WWW 4/20/1991 17. Horsemen interview WCW Sat 4/20/1991 18. Nikita Koloff interview (destroys US title) WCW Sat 4/20/1991 19. Windham/Arn vs Pillman/Gigante (Flair) WCW Pro 4/27/1991 9:19 20. Ric Flair interview WCW Pro 5/4/1991 21. Arn Anderson vs Brian Pillman WCW WWW 5/11/1991 3:16 22. Sting/Luger vs Steiners video WCW WWW 5/11/1991 23. Anderson/Windham vs Pillman/Eaton WCW Sat 5/11/1991 3:02 24. Ric Flair interview WCW Sat 5/11/1991 25. Arn Anderson vs Big Josh Main Event 5/12/1991 10:00 WCW # 6: May 17, 1991 - June 1, 1991 1. Ric Flair promo Power Hour 5/17/1991 2. Barry Windham interview (Pillman) WCW Pro 5/18/1991 3. Arn Anderson/Bobby Eaton confrontation WCW Pro 5/18/1991 1:20 4. Ric Flair vs Rick Ryder WCW WWW 5/18/1991 1:20 5. Barry Windham/Brian Pillman debate WCW Sat 5/18/1991 6. Bobby Eaton interview Main Event 5/19/1991 7. Freebirds vs Young Pistols (tourney) SB I 5/19/1991 10:23 8. Barry Windham vs Brian Pillman (Taped) SB 1 5/19/1991 6:08 9. Arn Anderson vs Bobby Eaton SB 1 5/19/1991 11:50 10. Steiners vs Sting/Luger SB 1 5/19/1991 11:04 11. Ric Flair vs Tatsumi Fujinami SB I 5/19/1991 18:35 12. Ric Flair vs Sam Houston WCW WWW 5/25/1991 4:09 13. Steve Austin vs Chuck Coates (Debut) WCW Sat 5/25/1991 4:25 14. Sting/Nikita Koloff brawl WCW Sat 5/25/1991 15. Ric Flair/Bobby Eaton promos NWA Pro 6/1/1991 16. Flair/BW/Nikita/OMG vs PN/Pillman/Rich/Gigante WCW Pro 6/1/1991 4:47 17. Arn/Taylor vs Eaton/Dustin Rhodes WWW 6/1/1991 6:52 18. Bobby Eaton vs Arn Anderson (Flair) WCW Sat 6/1/1991 5:34 19. Windham/OMG vs Pillman/Rhodes WCW Sat 6/1/1991 51 sec WCW #7: June 1, 1991 - June 22, 1991 1. Arn Anderson interview WCW Sat 6/1/1991 2. Birds/Badstreet vs Rich/JYD/Morton Main Event 6/2/1991 1:37 3. Bobby Eaton vs Steve Austin WWW 6/3/1991 8:06 4. Flair/Anderson vs Eaton/Pillman Main Event 6/9/1991 8:06 5. Sting/Nikita Koloff history Clash 15 6/12/1991 6. Sting vs Nikita Koloff Clash 15 6/12/1991 9:31 7. BW/AA vs Pillman/Gigante (loser leaves) Clash 15 6/12/1991 3:08 8. Steiners vs Masa Chono/Hiro Hase Clash 15 6/12/1991 8:15 9. Sting interview (Nikita Koloff attacks) Clash 15 6/12/1991 10. Great Muta vs Lex Luger Clash 15 6/12/1991 3:43 11. Ricky Morton joins York Foundation Clash 15 6/12/1991 12. Ric Flair vs Bobby Eaton (2/3 falls) Clash 15 6/12/1991 14:23 13. Ric Flair/Lex Luger promos Power Hour 6/15/1991 14. Desperado videos Power Hour 6/15/1991 15. Sting/Nikita Koloff confrontation Power Hour 6/15/1991 16. Barry Windham vs Greg Sawyer World Wide 6/16/1991 1:54 17. Barry Windham/Brian Pillman confrontation World Wide 6/15/1991 18. Ric Flair vs Johnny Meadows (6/13) World Wide 6/15/1991 2:36 19. Ric Flair promo WCW Sat 6/15/1991 16:21 20. Steve Austin vs Sam Houston Power Hour 6/22/1991 4:03 WCW # 8: June 23, 1991 - July 20, 1991 1. Desperados video World Wide 6/23/1991 2. Dick Slater/Dick Murdock interview WCW Sat 6/23/1991 3. Rick Steiner vs Dick Slater WCW Sat 6/23/1991 3:16 4. Hayes/Badstreet vs Rhodes/Josh Main Event 6/24/1991 9:37 5. Flair/Studd vs Eaton/Yellow Dog WCW Sat 6/30/1991 9:14 6. Ric Flair on the Danger Zone Main Event 7/1/1991 7. Announcement of Flair being stripped WCW House 7/3/1991 8. Steve Austin vs Bobby Eaton WCW House 7/3/1991 10:00 9. WarGames WCW House 7/3/1991 16:39 10. Barry Windham/Yellow Dog confrontation World Wide 7/6/1991 11. Announcement of Flair leaving WCW WCW Sat 7/6/1991 12. Barry Windham vs Jackie Fulton WCW Sat 7/6/1991 2:58 13. Barry Windham interview WCW Sat 7/6/1991 14. Sting vs Nikita Koloff (chain match) GAB 91 7/14/1991 11:38 15. Lex Luger vs Barry Windham (Cage) Bash 91 7/14/1991 12:25 16. Lex Luger post match interview Bash 91 7/14/1991 17. Lex Luger/Harley Race interview WCW Pro 7/20/1991 WCW # 9: July 20, 1991 - Sept. 5, 1991 1. Windham/Arn/Hall vs Rhodes/Eaton/Dog WWW 7/20/1991 11:41 2. Arn/Zbyszko/Freebirds confrontation WCW Sat 7/20/1991 3. Barry Windham interview WCW Sat 7/20/1991 4. Steve Austin vs Yellow Dog (Pillman) WCW Pro 7/27/1991 15:00 5. Enforcers interview WCW Sat 7/27/1991 6. Freebirds vs Hardliners WCW Sat 7/27/1991 12:30 7. Freebirds vs Young Pistols (Elim match) Main Event 7/28/1991 6:54 8. Abdullah attacks Sting WWW 8/4/1991 9. Luger/Windham/Simmons confrontation WCW Sat 8/10/1991 10. The Freebirds vs The Patriots Main Event 8/12/1991 5:47 11. Steve Austin vs Dustin Rhodes WCW Sat 8/17/1991 14:35 12. Enforcers interview WCW Sat 8/17/1991 13. Enforcers/Freebirds brawl WWW 8/24/1991 2:59 14. Sting vs Steve Austin (JIP) WCW House 8/25/1991 2 mins 15. Danger Zone recaps Windham/Simmons Main Event 9/2/1991 16. Brian Pillman vs Badstreet Clash 16 9/5/1991 6:51 17. Ricky Morton vs Mike Graham (JIP) Clash 16 9/5/1991 3 mins WCW # 10: Sept. 5, 1991 - Oct 26, 1991 1. Sting vs Johnny B. Badd Clash 16 9/5/1991 6:11 2. Cactus jack attacks Sting Clash 16 9/5/1991 3. Enforcers attack Bill Kazmeier Clash 16 9/5/1991 4. Sting attacks Cactus Jack Clash 16 9/5/1991 5. Ron Simmons interview (Race/Hughes) Clash 16 9/5/1991 6. Lex Luger/Ron Simmons confrontation Clash 16 9/5/1991 7. Steve Austin vs Tom Zenk Clash 16 9/5/1991 9:11 8. Lex Luger/Ron Simmons contract signing Clash 16 9/5/1991 9. AA/Zbyszko vs R Steiner/Kaz (finals) Clash 16 9/5/1991 3:35 10. Anderson/Zbyszko interview Clash 16 9/5/1991 11. Lex Luger attacks Barry Windham World Wide 9/8/1991 12. Sting gets another "gift" WCW Sat 9/8/1991 13. Steve Austin vs Dustin Rhodes WCW Pro 9/15/1991 6:39 14. Enforcers vs Freebirds (JIP) WCW Sat 9/28/1991 1 min 15. Lex Luger vs Terry Bronson WWW 10/5/1991 52 sec 16. Lex Luger interview WWW 10/5/1991 17. Cactus Jack vs Bobby Eaton WWW 10/5/1991 5:10 18. Dustin Rhodes/Lex Luger confrontation WCW Sat 10/5/1991 19. Dustin Rhodes interview WCW Sat 10/5/1991 20. Cactus Jack interview WCW Sat 10/5/1991 21. Clips of Luger attacking BW/Simmons Main Event 10/6/1991 22. Arn Anderson vs Rick Steiner Main Event 10/6/1991 8:16 23. Freebirds/Enforcers confrontation WWW 10/12/1991 24. Steve Austin vs Brian Pillman WWW 10/12/1991 3:52 25. Steve Austin vs Steve Armstrong WCW Sat 10/12/1991 4:27 26. Sting/Eaton vs Abdullah/Cactus WCW TV 10/26/1991 6:13 WCW # 11: Oct. 27, 1991 - Nov. 5, 1991 1. Enforcers attack Barry Windham Havoc 91 10/27/1991 2. Chamber of Horrors match Havoc 91 10/27/1991 12:33 3. Bobby Eaton vs Terry Taylor Havoc 91 10/27/1991 15:41 4. Jimmy Garvin vs Johnny B. Badd Havoc 91 10/27/1991 8:25 5. Steve Austin vs Dustin Rhodes Havoc 91 10/27/1991 15:00 6. Brian Pillman vs Ricky Morton (Final) Havoc 91 10/27/1991 12:44 7. Halloween Phantom (Rude) vs Zenk Havoc 91 10/27/1991 1:27 8. Enforcers vs Patriots Havoc 91 10/27/1991 9:50 9. Halloween Phantom revealed to be Rude Havoc 91 10/27/1991 10. Lex Luger vs Ron Simmons (2/3 falls) Havoc 91 10/27/1991 19:00 11. Young Pistols vs Patriots Main Event 11/5/1991 1 min WCW # 12: Nov. 9, 1991 - Nov. 23, 1991 1. Sting vs Oz WCW Sat 11/9/1991 3:27 2. BW/Dustin/Hayes vs Arn/Austin/Zbyszko WCW Sat 11/9/1991 7:41 3. Steve Austin vs Jimmy Garvin WWW 11/16/1991 2:57 4. Enforcers interview WWW 11/16/1991 5. Sting vs Cactus Jack (I-Quit) WWW 11/16/1991 12:59 6. Lex Luger/Rick Steiner confrontation WWW 11/16/1991 2 mins 7. Rick Steiner interview WCW Sat 11/16/1991 8. Lex Luger attacks Rick Steiner Main Event 11/17/1991 9. Lex Luger attacks Sting Clash 17 11/19/1991 10. Arn/Zbyszko vs Steamboat/Dustin Clash 17 11/19/1991 15:01 11. Paul E. interview Clash 17 11/19/1991 12. Sting vs Rick Rude Clash 17 11/19/1991 4:17 13. Rick Rude interview Clash 17 11/19/1991 14. Lex Luger vs Rick Steiner Clash 17 11/19/1991 11:00 15. Brian Pillman vs Ricky Morton WWW 11/23/1991 13:50 16. Steamboat/Rhodes vs Thor/Cook WCW Sat 11/23/1991 3:22 17. Steamboat/Rhodes interview WCW Sat 11/23/1991 WCW # 13: Nov. 23, 1991 - Jan 4, 1992 1. Austin/Arn vs Rhodes/Eaton (Eaton heel) WWW 11/23/1991 9:13 2. New Dangerous Alliance announced WCW Sat 11/23/1991 3. Sting & Rick Rude brawl WCW Sat 11/30/1991 4. Steve Austin vs Ricky Steamboat WCW Sat 12/7/1991 11:01 5. Ricky Steamboat vs Bobby Eaton WCW Sat 12/14/1991 11:38 6. Dangerous Alliance attacks Bagwell/Sting WCW TV 12/21/1991 7. Brian Pillman vs Jushin Liger WCW House 12/25/1991 1 min 8. Jushin Liger vs Brian Pillman WCW House 12/27/1991 15:47 9. Arn/Luger vs Taylor/Zenk Starrcade 91 12/29/1991 10:25 10. Sting/Abdullah vs Eaton/Pillman Starrcade 91 12/29/1991 5:37 11. Battle Bowl Starrcade 91 12/29/1991 25:15 12. Steiners attack Vader/Hughes WCW Sat 1/4/1992 WCW # 14: Jan 4, 1992 - Jan 21, 1992 1. Austin/Eaton vs Sting/Bagwell WCW Sat 1/4/1992 10:59 WCWSN on 1/4/92 was taped 12/16/91. Not clear on when the early 1992 WWW and Main Event shows were taped.
  20. jdw

    1990 Drinking Game

    I'm trying to remember the year where Ross starting rolling out "game plan" in every match of moderate note.
  21. Scherer rated it **** as a (fairly recent) correspondent of Sims' Lucha Libre Weekly, which is the same rating it got in the WON which leads me to believe Meltzer got it from Scherer as well (since Scherer did send in ratings for stuff up through the early days of ECW). It really wasn't pimped at the time: it was 1992 and there were several dozen matches rated at **** or above. Not pimped at the level of the highest rated Dandy-Charles match in those early years of lucha coverage and fandom. It also was before the push of AAA started: AAA had just opened up.
  22. Well, there is one old timer going in via the Vet Committee and he wasn't listed, so I wouldn't read to much into "exactly six". John
  23. I'll agree it's shitty acting, but I'll give it up to them for not having a chaste little 1950s kiss (or 90s wrestling kiss).
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