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When coming across large amounts of text online, I find it far easier to save a PDF to the hard drive than it is to highlight & copy & paste & format into a text editor. Especially if you have a list of links given the choice between these two: * direct link to a PDF * link to a html page with the text Obviously one could save the html page rather than lifting the text. But the formating on those html pages suck, and you have all the non-issue items in the HTML also. I'd just as soon have a PDF of the WON in original format if it's a case of reading it. If it's a matter of cutting & pasting specific info out of content online (for example a specific section of a law or code), then sure... I'd just as soon have text where I can copy the item I want. In the WON's case, an example might be the Results section. But if I want to read and/or save for future reference an entire thing, give me a searchable PDF. John

And even OCR would run into problems with a lot of issues. Dave had that bad typewriter for a long time, got a new one, then went back to the bad one for a couple of issus when the bad one went out. Dave's formating also might drive OCR on occassion as well. It would take a massive amount of work. Bryan would be far better off looking to just PDF the oldest ones. It does make it difficult to monetize them, or prevent people from lifting them and distributing them (right click + save). But it certain would be a "feel good" for subs to have the library up there. John

It's a basic narrative: there's a title involved, and the two are trying to win the match. One is champ, the other is challenger. They're closely matched, and busting their ass to win it. It's Korakuen Hall. Not many non-fans there. New Japan wasn't on Prime Time anymore, and this wan't a Big Show like one at the Egg Dome that would have a tv special, or spike a rating where casual fans might tune in. New Japan fans would be watching. They worked a match aimed at New Japan fans, which is pretty obvious since going submission intensive played off recent New Japan stuff: NJ vs UWFi. Again, who needs an underdog in every match? Was there an underdog in the 5/94 Misawa & Kobashi vs Kawada & Taue match? Kawada & Taue worked over Kobashi's knee, just as the juniors had body parts destroyed. But it didn't really make Kobashi an "underdog". He's already pinned the other two in a tag setting. Clearly the other two had pinned Kobashi a lot over the years. They hadn't beaten Misawa yet, but they'd already beaten the Misawa & Kobashi team, just as Misawa & Kobashi just beat Kawada & Taue in the last match up. 1-1 at that point. So Kawada & Taue were "rudos", and they were the challengers wanting their belts back. Misawa & Kobashi were the faces, the champs, and Misawa was the promotions ace. In the junior match, one guy was a young rising star, the other the vet. One was the champ, the other the challenger. Do we really need Sammy to bust out the barbed wire baseball bat to be the heel? Or go Chono on him? You can't simply wrestle a hard fought title match that gets the fans in the building rather heated? I don't think Tiger-Pegasus has anymore story. Just a slightly different one, and again a pretty basic one. Lord knows I liked the match. I'm the one who coined what everyone has called it since 1996: The Headlock Match. And I've pimped it hard over the years, even during stretches when people were creaming their pants over goofy stuff like Sammy-Kanemoto. I pretty much have pushed both matches when people have discussions of juniors matches folks should see, because it doesn't take much effort to add the old Usual Suspects. Perhaps the irony is that Sammy-Ohtani and Tiger-Pegasus have become Usual Suspects in the past decade because the pushing led to people watching them, then pushing them, then more people pushing them. Which is a good thing. A decade ago I was a canary in the coal mine on both. It's standard junior stuff. As I said, it's still a juniors match per the Cop Show analogy. It still has big moves that are common to juniors matches. Tiger-Pegasus has its moments of "we need to do juniors shit despite the story we're working". Vader-Inoki had to give Inoki spots to make him look good despite the fact that Vader is kicking the shit out of him: he's freaking Inoki and the one people are coming out to see. It's part of the spectacle that their old hero can get some licks on the monster. Should Inoki logically be able to do it? No. But if we're a bit honest, I'm not sure Kobashi logically should be pulling out the moonsault after Kawada & Taue killed his knee dead. Most wrestling has things that don't perfectly make sense. We all accept a degree of it. Some accept more, some accept less. If you have a problem with those dives, frankly there isn't a juniors match that you'd like. It's a minor item. You'll find the same, or usually worse, it every top juniors match... and if we think about top heavy matches, the same. It's not exactly a skull fuckingly nonsensical thing. John

I'm at a loss where a match needs an dominant/underdog, or where the lack of one is a negative. Or that's it's a requirement for having a "rooting interest" in a match. You don't think that people rooted for Ohtani simply because they liked him? Or rooted for Sammy becasue they liked him? I was a Kawada fan. I rooted for him when he was a dog to Misawa, a favorite over Kobashi, a dog to Hansen, a peer to Doc and slightly ahead of Taue. I rooted for him when he was a sorta-face dog teaming with Tenryu, when the fans turned on the Footloose (moreso Fuyuki) against the Can-Ams, as a face with Misawa, as a rudo opposite Misawa. In a sense that match gave a rooting interest to the respective fans of the wrestlers: it was a taught, close, hard fought match with the result in the balance. In a way, that's not entirely different from the Liger-Ohtani in March. If you were a fan of Ohtani, you had reasons to root. If you were a Liger fan, you had reasons to root. They put on a good match, Ohtani fans might have worked themselves up into having some hope, while Liger fans got to pull for Liger to turn back the kid. I actually like the "dives" because I consider the ones *into* the ring as being more critical than anything out of the ring. They incorporated the flying into the other work of the match rather than simply being highspots. Flying going after the arm, flying going after the leg. I'd take that over space flying tiger drop / sasuke special that I saw at the last PWG show I went to. The reason this got pimped is because it was outside the standard mold of "the matches were really always about the closing stretch for the JIP TV". The body of the match became the closing stretch of the match. It did something different, and as you point out, did it extremely well. Frankly it has good juniors action. Lots of high spots. Some are big moves. Some are flying. Some are submissions, done more effectively than one saw in junior title matches in that period. There really is a lot of shit going on in it, and I suspect if we did a "work rate" comp of it to a typical juniors match of the period (say Liger-Ohtani in March or the tourney semis/finals later in the year), this wouldn't take a backseat in how much they're doing a minute that's more than simply killing time. They just go about their work rate in a non-standard way for the division fashion. But they go about it very well. I guess the analogy would be a network books its schedule to have a different cop show every night of the week at 10 PM. Six of them are Law & Order format: Cops handle the first 30 minutes, DA's handle the last 30 minutes with courtroom drama leading to the big finish / verdict. Episodes self contained, just one case, wrapped up at the end of 60. One of them is say Homicide-style. The DA element is a small side tangent. It's very much cop focused. There are multiple cases in an episode. Some of the storylines playout over several episodes, perhaps even most of the season. Others being handled are dealt with in just the hour. The highspots in the show are often quite non-standard, though we still have some of the standard cop-show ones: the murder scene, the grilling of the suspects, the joking banter of the cops to get through a depressing job, the scene(s) with the Lt/Cap where they're being kicked in the rear to go out and solve the case or given the fatherly advice to pick them up. Let's remove the element that the real Homicide, at least early in the series, was vastly better than the Law & Order shows at their best. Let's make the analogy that all six shows are professionally done, well written/acted/directed/produced for what they are. These are seven good cop series. But six are good in a similar formula/format. The other doesn't just pushes the edge of the format of the others, but breaks outside it to show that there are different ways to do cop shows. Granted, we had other ones like it before (let's say the Hill Street Blues to this analogy). But at the time of these seven series, this network had a successful formula that was working, and used it as a template. The Homicide series was breaking outside that formula. I think we'd all agree that the Homicide series would stand out a bit. And that it would be odd to knock it because it didn't follow the successful Law & Order format, and instead did it's own successful format. In the context of 1996 juniors, Sammy-Ohtani kind of stands out. One of the reasons it got pushed hard in some corners (read that as *me*) is that it wasn't pushed hard in 1996. It was in a small setting, with the secondary title, and with one of the wrestlers in it about four years past the point where newsletter writers/readers truly cared about him (Sammy's peak for them coming and going with one match back in 1992). Take this exact same worked match, move it to 3/17/96 in an IWGP match with Liger defending against Ohtani rather than Sammy-Ohtani, get the exact same heat reaction from the crowd, show the whole thing on tv rather than JIP... And it would have gotten ****3/4 or possibly even ***** from Dave, and been high in the year end awards. Instead it was Korakuen Hall (which was actually the pefect setting for it), Sammy rather than Liger, and didn't get as much run as a lot of the junior matches of 1996. I pushed it for several the years after that online, though I never sensed it went anywhere. When the DVDVR 90s poll came around in 2000/2001, it was at a time when Junior Luv was in total dominance: 10 of the Top 11 matches. Even my ballot which intentionally tried to put in heavyweight matches that I thought folks should see as a contrast to pure junior-centricness... it had 11 junior matches on it. But I put this #1, rambled strongly about it, and that seemed to be the start of more people actually watching it and thinking about it. My ballot, as pointed out in the preface, I said "I felt like being a bit quirky here." Would I put it #1 if I went through another big NJPW project again? I don't know. It's possible that at the end of another such project that again something that "a bit different" would stick with me while some of the typical stuff from the promotion would bore me over time. Or maybe it would be flat on a rewatch, though it wasn't the last time I looked at it several years back. Who knows. But I do think the premise of pushing it remains valid. This was a different-from-the-norm juniors match. It did show a type of juniors match that could have been effective in New Japan. One can argue whether it could or should have become the dominant path they went down, but it certainly was a type that could have been done more regularly, and lots of the elements could have been more regularly incorporated. Would it have improved the division? I think so. John

Bull got a massive push from Dave. That was always the problem in trying to get him to swing around on Aja for the HOF: he thought Bull >>> Aja. Bowdren and Zavisa were big pushers of Bull. John

Agreed. It was kind of funny in Wade's forum when someone posted links to a few High Flyers matches on Youtube. Wade thanked the poster. Bruce came in to take a shot at the High Flyers. John

Having seen the match several times I really don't know where you got that impression from. He certainly didn't "suck" in that match, or else it would have gone in the toilet whenever he was called on to do something. Granted, that match isn't on the same tier as the 5/94, 6/95 and 10/95 iterations of the match, but it's still high-end and has a hell of a lot going for it. I actually thought the match headed towards the toilet at times late when he was on offense. He was effective in eating Kobashi and Misawa's offense, which covers for a lot since they'd eventually cut his weak offense off and take over. Plus it wasn't terribly complicated: most of their offense was rather over. I'll be happy to rewatch the match. I suspect you have the 60 minute version up. Lord knows where my tape of it is buried in some box... if you have a link, PM it to me and I'll watch it this weekend and point out what I thought were pretty obvious points where Taue was well below the level of the other three, and where the crowd checked out on him. I think that's a limited way to look at bad workers, or bad work. I think in that stretch of late 1994 through early 1995 he started to suck in an All Japan context, especially at the level where he was working. There's another match in that period where Kawada & Taue worked against the Can-Ams that was a pretty staggering contrast to the Tag League match in the period between Misawa & Kobashi and the Can-Ams. Again, I was far more tolerant of Taue than my peers in the early 90s and actually defended his spot & push when most hardcores wanted him to just go away. I was probably the first to start pointing that he'd improved massively at the Carny, then hammered across the point of Misawa-Taue Triple Crown vs Mutoh-Hash G-1 Final that aired the same weekend as evidence that Taue hadn't just improved, but actually turned into a really good worker. I might have been the only one who *hated* Kobashi taking the TC from Taue as almost overnight after winning the belts, Taue seemed to start carrying himself with an aura of "Yeah, I reached the point where deserve these fuckers" which was really interesting to watch, and something that I'm not sure if Kobashi every really had that same aura until NOAH. It was really annoying to see that dased in just two months, though it's a damn fun element of the Tag League Final that it was Kawada that played (rather exceptionally) to having "doubts" while Taue came across as the completely confident, sure one... which he played really well. So I tend to think that my rep as a Taue-Hater is overplayed, a bit like my rep as a Flair-Hater... not to mention that I was considered the chief Kobashi-Hater and Toyota-Hater back in the 90s. Wait... looking back at the Pimping Post, the negative comments about Taue seem to be limited to this: Mitsuharu Misawa/Kenta Kobashi vs. Toshiaki Kawada/Akira Taue (1/24/95 ­ World Tag Titles) I do point out that the first Misawa-Taue TC match doesn't deserve votes, largely to get across a match that hadn't even been nominated at that point: their 9/95 TC match. There's much more positive stuff about Taue in the thread. There were a were at least four Taue singles matches I added to the nomination list that weren't getting any run (that 9/95 Misawa-Taue, the 3/95 Taue vs. Kobashi, 4/95 Kawada vs. Taue and 4/96 Taue vs Williams). I could have added more if the intent was simply "stuff people should watch" rather than matches I thought might get Top 20 votes from people, such as the Taue-Kawada singles match when they were heated rivals. Didn't think they'd draw any votes at the time, and they weren't making my final ballot. Wait... It looks like I was the only person to put the 9/95 Taue-Misawa on my ballot: 16. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Akira Taue (Carnival 95 Final - 4/15/95) 115 points 41. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Akira Taue (Triple Crown - 5/24/96) 26 58. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Akira Taue (Triple Crown - 7/25/97) 14 88. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Akira Taue (Triple Crown - 9/10/95) 4 97. Steve Williams vs. Akira Taue (Carnival 96 Final - 4/96) 1 Those are all of the Taue singles that made the ballot... Yikes! I'm guessing that's my fault: people hated Taue because I put over things like 9/95, had pushed the 4/95 Kawada-Taue for years, and said nice things about Doc-Taue... so they voted for the Misawa-Taue matches that I pimped less. So much for influence... it was already dead in 2000. John

Sloppy. Trainwreck / Reset spots the ground matches to a halt. Like to do his couple of spots and get the hell back out. Rudos made him look like a king, but he really wasn't terribly good at making rudos look got like Santo did. We just watched the TripleMania eight-man the day after Christmas. He was the 9th best worker in the match, behind Tirantes. That's saying something since Tigermoto was in it, and having one of his own off nights. Granted, it was a match loaded with a lot of talent. But not good Octagon. I think one of the better examples of Bad Octagon is the long Gringos Locos vs Santito & Octagon match on one of the PWO sets Loss and Will did. When I showed the match to Lee and Billones after getting the dvd, the "wow... this match really isn't that good" comments from them *all* came during segments where Octagon was front and center trainwrecking the match. These were two people who enjoyed the hair/mask match, and were pretty large Eddy fans, and got Art as an annoying, evil heel... and were receptive to Santo. I suspect there's good Octagon out there. I would be interested in anyone doing a deep, comprehensive rewatch of 90s Lucha to figure out if there's a dividing line between "Octagon is Decent" and "Octagon seems to be sucking it up more often". Live, we started to get that feeling no later than 1994, but really hadn't been watching him carefully prior to that beyond the "He's got some cool stuff and the crowd loves him" level. I think it was more along the lines that we were getting that Santo was a tremendous worker (far beyond the level of play he got in the WON at that time), and the different wide qualities that Santo brought to matches were wildly contrasting to what Octagon did. I wouldn't draw the analogy exactly to Jumbo & Taue and Kawada & Taue. Taue was a fine student/partner for Jumbo, but it was a tough contrast given how great Jumbo was, how good those four guys on the other side were, and how even Fuchi was a pretty great foil for Kukichi in the rivalry. In turn, from the start he was an acceptable partner for Kawada opposite Misawa & Kobashi, but those three over 1993-94 started moving off into their own planet and it made for a tough contrast for Taue. He wasn't "bad" for most of that period, and frankly pretty useful in his role. It's just a tough contrast... I suspect Mutoh would have looked bad in that spot if he didn't pick it up. It's why the majority of the "Taue isn't good" or "Taue really is out of place with the rest" stuff was in the newsletters: the others were much better. I was more tolerant of him than most, and really didn't think he reached the "sucked" level until a short stretch in late 1994 into early 1995 where he just seemed lost given where the other three went, and tended to suck the forward momentum out of matches far too often when he was in and *not* getting the shit kicked out of him by Misawa and Kobashi (he pretty much always retained the ability to eat their spots). On offense, heat suck, especially noticable at points like the January 1995 tag draw: a really heated crowd would go down a notch and kind of get across that they were hoping he'd tag the shorter guy, at which point things picked up for them. Then in Carny, he picked up his game and went down a path of getting better than he ever was. Pretty much every wrestler has stretches where they suck relative to their own prior work, or the wrestlers around them, or just in general. Some simply just look poor due to the contrast when they're perfectly solid for the most part, or within some limits. My recollection is that Octagon went beyond that at a certain point. We were pretty tolerant of a wide variety of luchadors, and not locked into just digging the hardcore favs of the time like the high flyers or big bumpers. We could watch a ** Perro match and think it was perfectly acceptable if it was laid out well, played to the crowd and was "good for what it was". Octagon was one of the few ones that annoyed us, and we certainly didn't start going to shows thinking he was weak as I don't recall that being his rep in 1992 and 1993. Not "great", but not at the other end of sucking. Just sort of built up over time. There are times where we thought he was very good. The second fall of When World Collide was quite good. The rudos were obviously strong, and Santo sold the fuck out of the mask being at risk and completely out of his hands. But Octagon really did his job well, and I think that remains the best crowd reaction I've ever been in... including Macho-Liz at Mania '91. Have to credit Octagon for his part in that. Sorry... long response.

Worry a little bit about the WON Recaps and other Reference stuff getting buried in the General Pro Wrestling forum, especially if more stuff gets pulled out of the Comments thread into their own threads. The Chris-Nancy thread is reference at this point, though Bix and Keith are pretty faithful in putting new info into it. Just thinking in terms of finding stuff. It might be useful to have a second forum for the reference-type stuff. Or a subfolder? Don't know how easy it is to move stuff. Perhaps posting the WON Recaps to the General, but after a certain point move them into the subfolder. Same with discussion threads that after a time look like reference. Chris-Nancy became that, while the WWF vs The World gets to that point in a while as it dies down. Not really viewing it as a "Archive" forum, but more in terms of the type of content. Does that make any sense? John

Added in a second post. And the trip afterwards in a third...

Here: The Extreme Southwest Some of that is quite cringe-worthy. John

Haven't watched this in ages. On recollection, it was fab in the building until Konnan did all the run-ins. It wasn't a sprint up to the point, instead taking it's time with them laying out a match, and building runs to the finish. Always wish I would go back in the time machine, talk to Konnan before the show, and beg him to not fuck this one up and save all the clusterfuckery for the Psic-Ultraman match. This could have been the perfect statement on where Rey and Juve were before going to WCW and heading down another evolutionary path of working. John

Pays off big time in the Tag League Final, which I think we've/I've written to death over the past 14 years. John

This is one of those matches where the weekly TV makes it even more enjoyable as they build to the title match. It was just a one-series storyline, and they fucked it all up by instantly taking the belts off Yamazaki & Iizuka on the next series. But if there's ever a NWJP 1996 Yearbook, some of those earlier tags would need to go on. Yamazaki and Hash had some good hate going on. John

I'm not sure what to make of that, as I don't think there's ever been a booker who protected himself *less* than Liger did. How many guys did he try to "make" by putting them over up to this point? Sano, Pegasus, Nogami, Honaga, Pillman, Sasuke, Kanemoto, Black Tiger. He would have put over Dragon if he could, and would a couple of months later in the J-Crown tourney. It's hard to quantify just how much he didn't put himself over, because people look at those 11 IWGP Jr. reigns from 1989-2000. Some things to consider: Look at the first five reigns and how quickly he moved to get the belt on someone else as a "rival". It wasn't until the 6th reign when he had a truly long run, and to a degree that was due to his prospective rivalry with Dragon being cut short. His 7th and 8th weren't terribly long either, with the 9th a long run to set up Kanemoto finally lifting the title from him. In that long run of being the anchor of the division (May 1989 through July 2000), there were at least 15 tournaments that he was in, which be default he booked even when they were in other promotions (such as the 2005 Super J Cup). He won just 5 of the 15. The first he kind of had to: it was a #1 contender's tourney to set up his 1990 challenge of Sano to climax their feud. The other four all made sense in the context of the time, and where things went coming off/out of them. In turn, how many bookers would put over an outsider like he did in the first Super J Cup and in the J-Crown. The second was a bit risky since Sasuke had flaked out a bit back in 1994, and Liger's "belt" would pass through the hands of two different promotions before New Japan would get it back. The context of his strong run to start 1996 was: * he'd been out from late 1994 through most of 1995 * this was his brief period of looking "strong" before... * dropping the belt to Sasuke * putting over BT in the Best of the Super Junior * putting over Dragon in the J-Crown * having Sasuke win the J-Crown * having Dragon beat Sasuke for the J-Crown Liger never was protected as much as say Jumbo or Misawa were. He walked a fine line of keeping himself strong enough so that things like BT's win in the 1996 Best of the Super Juniors or Sasuke's wins at the 1994 Super J Cup or 4/96 Tokyo down had "meaning". But in turn, there were people who thought he lost too much in the 90s, and that by the time he put over Sammy for the belt it didn't mean much: he'd already tried to create Sano, Pegasus, Honaga and Nogami... and Sammy was just 1992's version of those guys. On the other hand, when Otani finally got the belt for the first time, people kind of woke up to finding his title matches quite a bit less interesting than Liger's had been, and folks chasing Liger. It's a tough line to walk. He was really giving, and I think as you work through more years you're going to find a ton of his losses. John

People were becoming critical of Toyota right around the time of this match. I recall coming onto rsp-w in mid-1996 and not long after that the Barbi jokes started being tossed around. The WON and a generation of newsletter readers loved Toyota in the era, largely led by Dave and Zavisa. Online, Kunze followed Dave's drum. From 1996 through the balance of the decade online, there were strong pro-Toyota fans like Mike Lorefice and James Phillips, and people who were critical of her like me and some of the DVDVR guys. I suspect the reason that criticism of Toyota hasn't lingered is because: * Joshi began it's death march in 1997 Discussion of joshi didn't die, but it moved slowly to a smaller and smaller circle. Perhaps the contrast would be All Japan, which began it's decline in 1997 as well, and fragmented at the turn of the decade. The difference is that Misawa, Kobashi, Kawada, Taue and Akiyama lingered long into the following decade as frontline workers, and their matches of the 90s continued to be among the gateway matches to puroresu. Discussion of them continued. With less and less fresh joshi, and Toyota's career moving into the shawdows at least as far as "mainstream" hardcore discussions, what largely remained was the occassional comments by Dave putting her over. * Joshi discussions soured Yeah... a good deal of that in the early parts of the last decade. :/ What's a little sad is that Dan G has made compiled and made available more joshi than anyone could have imagined back in 2000. I'm sure there are boards out there where people in the past five years have invested a lot of time rewatching joshi from that era and talking about it. But it appears not to have hit Loss' radar, as it's hard to think that any big rehashing (similar to the SC WWF Poll) wouldn't have some folks being critical of Toyota. Her style isn't far removed from the juniors style of the 80s and 90s that's been hit pretty hard by puroresu fans over the past decade. Anyway, Toyota has had people critical over the past 15 or so years. But the criticism like joshi itself has faded. John

A timeline on her "vacation" might be interesting. Trash is picked up every week. There would be extra trash around given the police related trash. It seems very odd that anything put in the trash would survive (i.e. not get picked up by the trash collectors) while she was away on vacation. It's possible because there wasn't anyone living in the household anymore that someone wouldn't have wheeled the garbage out. But you would also think that the city/county and garbage collection have a policy for covering that when someone dies. I've always thought the "she found the diary in the trash" to be odd. Even an incompotent law enforcement team (which we all seem to agree was the case in this investigation) would sift through the trash for drugs and other evidence. It's not even advanced levels of law enforcement that you run into with homicide dicks: basic cops do stuff like that. I don't know if it's a case of something getting lost in translation (in the sense of how the story of the journal has been communicated), or if someone is just blowing smoke on it. But even in a case as odd as this one, it stands out as not making any sense. John

On Loss' point about travel schedule in 1985: * Flair would have worked more * Flair may have traveled further * Hogan likely covered more of the country, consistently Flair and Crockett may have done a show in Los Angeles. Hogan worked in CA much more often. Flair may have worked the AWA big show at Comiskey. Hogan was working in "AWA Territory" much more. I think in the end there would be clear Flair advantages (number of matches we could identify), but there would be clear Hogan ones (worked in more major cities, and more often in them, and was a bigger draw). Does it wash out? Don't really think so. It's akin to a hard working rock band doing 200 shows in clubs vs U2 doing a stadium tour. Less dates, bit 40K+ a night. That's a little extreme in the comp since Flair wasn't working clubs and Hogan wasn't doing stadiums. But I don't think the analogy is that far off. People wanted to find examples of Hogan and Vince's "failure" back then. The reality is that they were far more successful than failing. John

I think as folks pointed to in the other thread, Dave's not consistent on whether he watches or not. Maybe he just reads the show report from the tapings. John

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Me too, alot of good ancedotes there. I dont get annoyed about the "if you broke into the business nowadays would you have tried MMA " stuff to the extent some people do but I have to say that it was refreshing to hear from someone who had zero interest in MMA on the show killing that line of conversation dead. What did he say? "No"? John

Impossible! I was going to post that, and Bix beat me to it. "Impossible!" -Meltzzini "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya John, who isn't left-handed either...

Agree to that. Second DVR isn't a bad way to go, though. I'm having a second one put in this weekend. Will be nice to be able to save up shows on one, and sports on the other. Sports in HD can eat up space fast. John

The WCW Mythbusters thread is funny given a conversation I was having with someone within the past hour. A fine example of memories... John