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Ginger is 47 later this year, so she has another 13 years to go. It's not hard to find shots of her since she's active in the business again. Try hotmovies.com or one of the other big VOD sites. Can't say I'd recommend her stuff in the past couple of years. White Lightning back in 2000 was pretty decent, unless one really freaks at the notion of someone in their late 30's/early 40's banging. John

I'm kind of stupified that we are such prudes that we can't talk about the sex in Porn, but we don't think twice about talking in detail about wrestlers slicing their foreheads, or the details of Misawa's neck getting snapped in taking a wrestling move, or the details of Benoit's muerder rampage, or the homoerotic aspects of a video piece that hurt Jeff Jarrett's babyface heat in Memphis. This is a bit like the fetish Mike Oles would have whenever someone used the term "shit" or "crap". John

Cool: Creepy: Flair vs Trip Cage Cool: Creepy: John

There was a great thread on the old DVDVR Boards years ago about Wrestling & Porn. Someone might have a better recollection of it than me, but I seem to recall the primary person on the other side was mdb... whatever happened to him? Probably the best "polite wrestling troll" of the era. Anyway, one of the key people on the other side was really, really, really uncomfortable about their beloved pro wrestling being compared to Porn. I don't think it was mdb since I don't recall him being that much of a lightweight. I probably poured it on, but at least a few of the other regulars were having fun riffing on the similarities between the fake-sport of pro wrestling and the fake-sex of porn. Wish I saved that one. Anyway, I find it hard to imagine that anything I said in the above comments about Ginger are any different that what anyone else on this board who has ever watch (and enjoyed) porn over the years would say. Unless they have a "granny fetish" (rather than say a MILF kick or a 40-49 kick), not a lot of porn viewers really care to see their favorite performers still "working" when they're in their 60s. Granted, Skinemax icon Monique Parent is about half a year older than I am, turning 44 later this year. She still works regularly in the soft core side of the business and never has crossed over into the hard core side. She looks really good in a non-barbie doll, non-stripper way and is in fantastic shape. If you asked me back in the 80s if I would find a 44 year old like Monique Parent in the adult film world to be hot, I'd almost certainly would have said no. Now that I'm in that age range, my opinion has changed. So it's possible that come 2026 that I'll suddenly appreciate all of Flair's work from say 1994 until his retirement match. John

I loved watching Ginger Lynn suck cock, get banged and take it up the ass in the 80s. I'm not entirely sure I want to watch a video of Ginger Lynn suck cock, get banged and take it up the ass when she's 60s years old. Point: I'm not pulling for Ric Flair to drop dead, nor Ginger Lynn. But I don't really care to see them perform so far past their prime that it's painful. I avoided using a sports analogy here since wrestling is entertainment and not sport. But if one wanted to make a sports analogy, as much as I loved Jabar as a basketbally player, I don't really want to see him matching up with Dwight Howard when Kareem is 60+. John

Very few? I'll have to watch it. Give me an over/under on the number of comebacks I should be looking for in the period Dragon controlled. John

I thought the WWIII match was all about Rey getting controlled and making comebacks. Seriously, a lot of his WCW stuff saw Rey selling his ass off for long stretches getting his ass kicked before the flashy comeback. One of the things that annoyed me about some of his matches with Dean is that Dean didn't break up the domination as much as say Dragon did in the WWIII match, so you felt like you were getting 12 minutes of Rey getting his ass kicked and 1:30 to 2:00 of the Big Rey Comeback. John

Has there been one since the Josh Gross thread earlier in the month? John

They had a IWGP #1 Contenders tourney in January 1990. Liger, Saito, Nogami, Iizuka, Matsuda, Hata, Honaga, Owen, Black Tiger (Rocco) and Wellington. Winner getting a shot at Sano. Liger of course beat Owen on 1/30 to challenge Sano the next night. In a sense, the progression is: 1984: WWF World Jr Hvy Title League 1985: nothing 1986: IWGP Jr Hvy Title League 1987: IWGP Jr Hvy Title Tourney 1988: Top of the Super Juniors League 1989: nothing 1990: IWGP Jr Hvy Title #1 Contenders League 1991-1992: Top of the Super Juniors League 1994-: Best of the Super Juniors League Not saying they're all the same tourney or that it's one "line". But I really don't consider the 1988 league to have much to do with the 1991 on forward leagues other than the name. It was closer to the five-in-seven years leagues & tourney that they pretty much randomly tossed out at need.

Cool. John

No. What I'm saying is that it's a comon thing when Backlund is working a hold that if his opponent isn't active that Backlund inturn either moves it along or signals for his opponent to move it along. Torquing the hold is a regular way for him to be active or to signal, "Let's get active". Hardly the only one. Read the MSG match with Rose for more of them. Backlund isn't the only one who does things like that. John

It seems like you're intentionally being dense here. I posted elsewhere back in April that the match was enjoyed quite a bit when I and two others watched it. In May, Phil here expressed surprise over me: At the time, I scratched my head in the thread because I hadn't noticed what Phil was talking about. Phil didn't respond to clarify. It's now August and I finally got around to watching it again to write it up in my thread. When watching it, one of the things I was on the look out was all those blow spots, looking like crap and trainwrecks that Phil saw. Didn't see them. Said as much in my write up, and posted as much here. Still think it's a good match. And asked Phil to give examples of what I'm missing in terms of those blown spots. If you're obsessing on the phrase "time stamps" because it and "stopwatch" get some kind of pavlovian gagging response in you, I'll withdraw it and instead ask: Phil: can you give the specific examples of the blown spots and trainwreck aspects of the match that caused you to hate everything about it other than the headlocks? Especially how those blown spots differ from things like the blown spots in the beloved Backlund-Adonis MSG match. I asked for the time so that it would be easy to find given it's a 35 minute match. It's a bit like if I said that the 4/89 Flair vs Steamboat has some of the greatest flying moves I've ever seen in a match. "Really? I don't recall them" -Fan P "Sure. Flair hit a moonsault and a space flying tiger drop. Did you miss it?" -jdw "Er... where?" -Fan P "It was right in there after the top rope frankensteiner." -jdw "I'm not seeing it. When exactly in the match did that happen." -Fan P "Hell, I'm not going to waste the time telling you where. They're right there on your TV and go find them." -jdw FWIW, I'm not saying Phil is doing that. I'm just not seeing what Phil did, but would be more than willing to take another look if he pointed them out to me. John

I tend to think that when you've watch around 60 matches of someone and pay attention to how they push matches along, it's not terribly hard to figure out when they're doing it. Flair is pretty obvious when he want to move along and get to more stuff. I haven't watched enough Lawler to call his spots and what small things he does that indicate what he wants to do next, but I'm sure you can. It's a bit like it's not mind reading to know that when Ric is going to the top in a certain way, he wants to get thrown off. Wrestlers are repetative in what they do, and how they signal to their opponents it's time to do something else. It's not always verbally calling spots. John

I don't think Phil or I paid much attention to the time the first time we watched it. On the other hand, I thought it was a good match in that viewing. Phil thought it was full or "both guys blowing spots", "looking like crap" and was a"trainwreck". After reading that, I scratched my head because I just didn't remember that aspect in the match. When rewatching in a second time *4* months later to walk through it in my thread, I looked for what Phil saw in the match. Didn't see it, thought it was something I made a point of paying attention to like the heat/crowd reaction in the headlocks segments and the highspot sequences breaking them up. So I'd kind like to know what specifically Phil was seeing. And not have a real hard to finding them when he lists them. But he didn't respond back in May when I said that I hadn't seen them. I don't expect that he'll respond with examples here. John

Blew spots and looked like crap? I'll have to catch the blown spots when re-watching it to write up. There were 35 minutes... I didn't see 35 minutes of blown spots. Pretty far from it. I thought the 10/20/80 Backlund vs Slaughter, 04/06/81 Backlund vs Hansen and 06/04/83 Backlund vs Koloff on the DVDVR set were piles of shit, as were the 10/17/83 Backlund vs Masked Superstar and 12/26/83 Backlund vs Iron Sheik matches on Will's set. Those were trainwrecks. This struck me as touring NWA Champ Harley bitching out to the local hero. Harley was okay. The local hero kicked the living shit out of him, bringing a ton of stuff. The local fans ate it up. A better, shorter version of the Harley vs Lawler which bored me by being even more repetative. John Rewatched this tonight to write it up. I'm at a loss for the "both guys blowing spots", "looking like crap" and "trainwreck" elements of the match especially when one eliminates the headlock section since you liked that. The closest that I saw to blown/sloppy was the first headlock takeover being a little non-smooth and the ref in one pin attempt being out of position leading him to awkwardly move around to try to make the count. The second of those is on the ref, not on the workers. The first is about a 2 on the Backlund Awkward/Cringey Scale of 1-10 with 10 being worst. The first Adonis-Backlund in MSG had vastly worse cringeworthy material, and you had in the Top 20. Hell, the Adonis & Murdoch vs Briscos had several worse trainwreck spots in it, and I recall you had that Top 5. I'd be happy to watch it a third time if you want to point out the spots and give me some time stamps. John

It's really insane to think it's been 13 years since Rey joined WCW. John

Was all this on boards or in the WON or someone talkign to Dave? I guess we should be glad that it lasted even a couple of years because it got those guys off the Wrestling HOF ballot. Too bad he didn't have the idea before Sak and Funaki got in. John

Finlay may be screwed because he's worked so long in the US. Someone would have to ask Dave if he'll be US region or Euro region if he gets back on the ballot. Tweeners are always a pain in the rear. Dragon was always hard to slot. John

My recollection is that Dave has a certain number of years that he waits before putting someone back on. I forget how many. But it's a period, and there needs to a bit of a groundswell/request to put the person back on. John

The Board of Directors elects the Officers. The shares held by the McMahon Family (Class B ) have a 10-1 voting power as do what the rest of the Shareholders have (Class A). In a sense, if Vince dies, they remaining family members will elect a friendly board (which is already friendly) who will elect a Chairman they want. It's a 100% lock that if she survives Vince in good health and mind that Linda will be the Chairman. And one of the kids likely will move up into the CEO role that she has. My guess is that *before* that, one of them will move from EVP to President, since Mike Lake is 66. It's possible that Donna will move into that role, but they seem to be keeping the President role open for one of the kids while the top non-family executive (Donna at the moment) will get the COO spot. Just a guess on the last paragraph. The first two are pretty obvious of how it will play out given they control the company. John