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Dave on Sunday: From the index, it looks like they talked about it on one of their shows as well. I watched in spurts since it's so long, jumping ahead a number of times then watching 2-3 minutes here and there. Ric's telling stories, bogarting the time. Ross seemed to get more annoyed by it that anyone else, with Heyman eventually getting up and ripping JR's notes of questions to ask since they weren't going to be answered since Ric would keep talking. That was pretty funny. I enjoyed Ric putting over Foley for letting him get chops in, contrasting it with Taker who let Ric do a few, and then contrasting it with Bret who didn't want to take any. I suspect anyone who likes Flair will like the clip.

HHH doing something nice doesn't make him not a douchebag HHH inserting himself into someone's angle to steal their heat again. Okay... I'm joining Will in hell too.

You're right. Actually aired on TV: 5/12/96 - All Japan (Taped 4/20 Tokyo): Haruka Eigen/Ryukaku Izumida vs. Rusher Kimura/Mitsuo Momota Masa Fuchi/Yoshinari Ogawa/Masao Inoue vs. Giant Baba/Satoru Asako/Kentaro Shiga Champion Carnival Highlights: Akira Taue vs. Stan Hansen; Steve Williams vs. Toshiaki Kawada; Kenta Kobashi vs. Gary Albright; Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada; Akira Taue vs. Steve Williams There also was this: 4/14/96 - All Japan (Taped 3/31 Nagoya) Highlights: Steve Williams vs. Tamon Honda Gary Albright vs. Jun Akiyama Stan Hansen vs. Gary Albright (4/10 Kobe) Kenta Kobashi vs. Steve Williams (4/10 Kobe) So 3/31 had full commercial releases of Kawada-Taue and Misawa-Kobashi if I recall correctly? Assuming Akira Taue vs. Steve Williams on there is the Final (which it has to be given the placement), breaking the rest up into dates: 04/08/96 Akira Taue vs. Stan Hansen (15:08) 04/08/96 Steve Williams vs. Toshiaki Kawada (17:30) 04/14/96 Kenta Kobashi vs. Gary Albright (14:09) 04/14/96 Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada (30:00) 04/10/96 Stan Hansen vs. Gary Albright (11:26) 04/10/96 Kenta Kobashi vs. Steve Williams (27:53) As my brain was fuzzy on the 4/14/96 Misawa vs Kawada, was 4/8 a similar multi-camera pro-shoots? My recollection of 4/10, which was Kobashi's first win over Doc, was that it was a single ring-side camera, basically just sent there to capture the moment. 04/08/96 also has Misawa vs Honda (10:10)... morbidly interesting. Albright & Ace & Patriot vs Kobashi & Akiyama & Omori (17:51) is the six-man... eh. 04/14/96 has a Taue vs Patriot (15:38) that would be interesting as this is pretty much Peak Taue, so it would be interesting to see what they can do. Given all of the Four Corners are in singles, we're not likely to have an interesting six-man on the card. The other things that are strange from that series: * Neither of the opening two nights at Korakuen Hall made TV: 03/22/96: http://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=24707 Carnival: Jun Akiyama defeats Takao Omori (3:15) Carnival: Stan Hansen defeats Tamon Honda (4:59) Carnival: Akira Taue drew Kenta Kobashi (30:00) That feels almost like it's booked for TV in the AJPW 30 slot: two quick matches, then they can JIP Taue-Kobashi to fill out the balance since it's yet another one of their draws. 03/23/96 http://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=24708 Carnival:Gary Albright defeats Tamon Honda (8:26) Carnival: Steve Williams defeats Jun Akiyama (8:15) Carnival: Toshiaki Kawada defeats The Patriot (7:51) Carnival: Mitsuharu Misawa draws Johnny Ace (30:00) That again feels like it could be booked for TV: under 10 minutes for Doc-Jun and Kawada-Patriot, while they could JIP the last 5 or so minutes of Misawa-Ace. Instead, here's what TV got on 3/24/96: 3/24/96 - All Japan (Taped 3/2 Tokyo): Johnny Ace/The Patriot vs. Takao Omori/Maunakea Mossman Stan Hansen vs. Tamon Honda Abdullah The Butcher/Kamala II vs. Giant Baba/Haruka Eigan A 4th week of the first Budokan of the year, and totally scraping the bottom of the barrel. Fucking strange. 3/31 got major air time on TV, plus the commercial release. 4/14 looks like it's not just "cheap pro shoot" like the 1994 & 1995 Carny sets with studio voice over, but TV level "live commentary". So where in the hell was that stuff intended to air? They did 4 weeks off the Finals at Budokan, with the 3rd week useless and a big chunk of the 4th week these highlights. Had they originally planned for 4/21/96 TV to be Misawa-Kawada, pushing the Final back a week? Really fucking strange. I've long thought the did a shitty job with the 30 (actually about 22-25 minutes) of TV that they had each week... but have ignored trying to put into words just how badly the botched it / wasted valuable air time because it would make my head hurt. Here's a fine example. I'll have to see if I've got that 5/12/96 TV show laying around at home to check whether 04/08/96 was a similar pro shoot with live commentary.

Wasn't taped as far as I recall. The shots in the mags made it look hot, and it's the match where Misawa had his chin split open with (I think) a rolling kick from the photos. It's the point at which the scar showed up. Anyway... it's just photos, so who knows. But it did look hot. On this one at the time... yeah... they didn't have much place to go. At this point they either needed Kawada to beat him at a Budokan or Misawa to win the title back from Kawada holding it. The booking allowed for neither.

Damn... sorry that the other thread is closed because Stone Cold chimed in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS_Ni438QpI And that's the bottom line...

His team was #3 in yardage and #1 in passing TD when Earl Morrell was his QB. Shula used the talent that he had. He took over a Fins team that had Csonka, Morris and Kick in place, along with Griese. He had what he thought was the best running game in the NFL around those three, and not really a high end gunsliger. In turn, Griese became a high Y/A guy (helped by lifting Warfield from the Browns). When the rushers left, he passed more... but never was nutty about it. Marty's best teams in Cleveland threw more in the 80s than Noll's did. Which was a decade into the passing revolution, which Noll not on was resisting, but was regressing on. I tend to agree, but we also need to remember that Mac let freaking Bill Kenney toss an NLF leading 603 passes for 4348 yards in 1983, Mac's first season in KC. They were #4 in attempts the following year, split between Kenney and Blackledge, and more of a passing team in Mac's last season there where they went 10-6 and made the post season: #14 in passing attempts and an extremely low #23 in rushing attempts. It's just that Kenney and Blackledge sucked, other than Kenney's one fluke year. Ganz of course was a freaking joke. I tend to think O'Brien probably would have been fine there. He would have sat the first season behind Kenney. When Kenney got banged up and failed to repeat that 1983 season, O'Brien could have stepped in better than Blackledge. Not saying he would have been Great! But he probably would have been passable, as he was with the Jets. Really? That's odd, because Franco and Rocky combined to average the same number of carries in games that had a 0-7 point margin (which includes both of the Steelers losses that season) as they did in games with a 15+ margin (all wins). The 1978 Steelers were a running team when playing close games, and when blowing teams out. :/ Duper was a 2nd round pick, the season before Marino was draft. Clayton was an 8th... the same draft Dan was in. You think that Shula thought he would have a 5000 yard passer on his hands when drafting Dan? There's nothing in Noll's record that indicates he would have adapted to letting Marino throw for 4600+ yards a season from 1984-86. Again, at that very time he was reverting to a more conservative offense rather than doing what most of the rest of the NFL was doing: finding a QB who could throw the ball. Even the conservative Bill Parcells got 4000+ yards out of Phil Simms in 1984, and 3700+ out of freaking Scott Brunner and Jeff Rutledge the year before. Conservative John "Dickerson Left, Dickerson Right" would trade for Jim Everett and transition the club to the point that Everett passed for 3964, 4310 and 3989 in 1988-90... while Noll was still coaching. Noll really had no desire to pass the ball. If they had a different head coach.

Eric retired after the 96/97 season. 96/97 was also the year BvB won the Champions League, and as I said Sammer was a beast coming off the 1996 Euro and the 96/97 CL run. What's interesting, though, is that I'm pretty sure that runner-ups weren't in the CL, just the league winners. That change happened in 97/98 in real life... but I don't know if it was in the 97/98 version of CL 2. I wonder if I had the 96/97 base "game" (which lead into the 97/98 season), and Scott pulled the db updated for the start of 97/98 for me, and edited Cantona back in. That makes some sense. I don't remember Tom Youngs becoming a stud. The guy who went batshit in my game was Sean Dundee, coming off a pair of good but not earth shattering seasons for Karlsruher. He was 25/26 when the game started, someone in England grabbed him (Leeds strikes me as the team), became their anchor as they became the #2 team in the EPL in his peak, and won a number of Cup Winners Cups and UEFA Cups while I was bagging the Champions League. He was basically up in the Original Ronaldo and Alan Shearer range of nutty goal scorers. That wouldn't have been an adjustment that Scott made since neither of us cared about Dundee. I just found it cool that he turned out well. Shit... I forgot about Regen-Gaza. He was a fucking blast in the game... when healthy... and when not getting tired. Scott keeps talking about getting into CM/FM again. I'll likely do it when I get a new gaming PC. Seriously, the won I want is leading into the 2008/09 season, with United the reigning champs and that loaded roster. They doing a little edit job on the Spanish players since leading into 2008/09 it's highly likely that they didn't rate Xavi and Iniesta and Sergio (and of course Messi) quite high enough for how they turned out. Then I'd have to ponder: do I resist the temptation to steal some Barca players (including Xavi who I love), or do I leave them as the continental rival. The notion of playing Ronaldo and Messi together is hard to resits.

Those two. The extremely few people that I've dealt with who claim they had a choice... when you really scratch the surface with them, there (i) isn't much choice, and (ii) it ends up not being worth arguing with them about it. They've come to their own way of accepting they're LGBT, so why bother butting heads. Unless they're going to be going the un-gay route, in which case they in for a lot of hurt. I tend to get the vibe that a lot of the people who "aren't gay" and strongly cling to the "it's a choice" theory are people who sense in themselves a whole lot of LGB attraction. They have to con themselves into the "choice" theory to avoid thinking too closely about what they really feel. Because seriously... if you're really confident in your own heterosexuality, why do you give a shit about the fact that people are born LGBT? I mean... I get being agnostic on it: "I haven't read the science, and I don't really know a lot of gay people to talk about this. I just don't know." Some of us can drop the boatloads of studies on such a person, but if they don't really care one way or the other, I can see being agnostic on it. But to be an atheist on it, that's just being willfully wrong... and protesteth too much.

The newsletters in general are okay: * people already have every WON that was published * Wade has all the Torch's with the exception of a few earlier ones * People have all of the Mat Results with the exception of the first 6-7 The Mat Results would be of some modest interest since they pre-date the WON by a year, but they're strictly results and a lot of the has been compiled on line. There also is the problem in they were printed... seemed like that old blue-ink mimeograph method like when we were kids in school in the 70s and early 80s before wide spread photocopiers. Anyway, that stuff faded. I think I borrowed Roland Messier's originals between lucha shows at the Sports Arena, and those ones were really brutal to copy. This was in the 1992-93 range, a decade after they were printed. Add in another 20 years... I can't imagine what the originals would be like. Anyway, they're of very limited value. * Japanese Wrestling Journal We have these from roughly issue 47 or 49... can't remember which. It was early-mid 1987ish, with 1-2 issues right after that also missing. Issues 1-46 or so would be GOLD to find, because they're not just AJPW/NJPW results card by card, but also the writer's comments on the matches he saw, etc. However, I got these from Zavisa back when I was buds with Dave, and pointed out the missing issues wondering if he had them. He said he didn't, and actually pointed me to Tenay as a longtime JWJ sub. My recollection is that Mike didn't have them either, and that everyone in the US that still had them didn't go any further back. So I wouldn't hold out hope. The one person who might have had some was the second editor of Mat Results as it was clear he got them, used them for results, and for news on occasion that wasn't exactly how Dave wrote something up. But while I recall he showed up online in the early 00's, I also seem to recall he passed away in the mid-to-late 00's. Clausen? Anyway... beyond that, there's not a ton of "newsletters" that would be of value that Dave has. Perhaps he has Dobratz stuff from the 70s, but I don't that. There was a time when Dave didn't even have copies of his own newsletters from 83-86 or so. I seem to recall someone made him a set of those at some point... and no, it wasn't me. I think was Dylan is talking about are any Magazines that he has.

Pegasus Kid --> Wild Pegasus --> Resident Evil? Or were only the last two the same poster. John

It's not a choice or a lifestyle, any more so than being born with a cock or black is.

This was back in CM 2.0 and the one right before it, so I don't know how applicable it would be to later games. With guys like Schmeichel it was easy: how many Dannish keepers regen to 16 year old in a given year? There were few Dannish players in the game: this was before CM/FM started doing massive work on the non-EPL players. Baggio was tougher, because there were more Italian players, and Italy was an alternative "league" you could play in at the time: when installing/loading, you were asked what league you wanted to play. EPL / England of course, Serie A / Italy being the second... and that may have been it or perhaps also the Scottish League. Anyway, lots of Italian players. My recollection is that there was that there were several outside-the-game editors. You could edit club characteristics, and you could edit player ones. Each player was assigned a # by the game, like 1 to 3000+ or so. You write down the numbers of your players or the players you want, and then search them after they die. They always get assigned to a club in their home country. Then you try to buy them. Cheat? Sure. But after you've already Won Everything and Won Every Game, you're looking for something to interest you. So developing Baggio 2.0 and Bergkamp 2.0 and Matthias Sammer 2.0 (who was a kick as in 2.0 since it was after BvB won the CL) and Maldini 2.0... that was fun to do when you're starting to get bored. For my my version of CM 2.0 version, my buddy Scott sent me a modified player database that added in Cantona since he had just retired before the version I had came out, and thus wasn't in it. This was before I got the editor utility. So we talked about what type of ratings Eric should have, he added him, sent me that db to drop on in my folder just after installing, and bang! I had Cantona back on United at the age of 31 heading into the 97/98 season, he died shortly there after, and Scott told me go look at young French players to see if there was a new 16 year old forward. Bingo~! there he was, and transferred him in. He was the first of those younger regen players that I developed, with Schmeichel some years later being the second. I don't know how the later versions handled it. I do seem to recall reading that they added "editor" tools to the official game at some point.