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My point was HHH had more than a little bit of a role in HBK staying as a main eventer and Jericho being on some celebrity singing show on FOX instead of in WWE.

Speaking of HBK, was that SummerSlam 96 where he threw a hissy in the match with Vader? If so, it's available on WWE 24/7 and I wonder if it's edited out....

Heh come on, tonight's 3 Way Dance was a literal LOL moment. Anti-Hardcore Mick Foley back in ECW would be the best thing ever.

I love how some folks act the only options one has when attending a wrestling show is to either act like a douche who wants to be part of the show or to sit quietly and clap for highspots/finishes. How about acting like how wrestling fans acted from the dawn of time up to about 2000 or so, enjoying the show and not spending the whole time trying to get yourself/your sign/your chant over with the crowd. I'm just sad ROH doesn't have TV, can you imagine how funny it would be watching a show where the entire crowd was facing the Big Screen seeing if their *wink* *wink* insider referencing sign made it on TV?

Wrestling fans pay money to enjoy the show. ROH fans pay money to get themselves over and become part of the show, usually at the expense of the actual wrestling going on in front of them. Everyone's glossing over the fact that not only did these tards chant F bombs at kids, they turned their back on the match in the ring to do it. The irony of course is that they felt the kids were being disrespectful by not reacting to the match in the Approved Manner and ended up ignoring the match themselves in order to chastise the little rapscallions.

Maybe you don't see the problem because you're one of the fans everyone else has a problem with? Just sayin, anyone who doesn't understand why ROH fans get on everyone's nerves is either being intentionally dense or is one of the annoying ROH fans themselves.

It might vary from week to week, but SD was depleted, RAW has become the McMahon and DX Show, and Impact tries to cram as much as they can in one hour. ECW has been the most consistent show of the last few weeks, and if that offends your sensibilities, too bad.

Right, because there's a perfectly logical reason to chant the mother of all swear words at a bunch of kids. If they were at the show and heard the chant directed at one of the wrestlers, then I could write that off as the risk you take when you bring kids to a wrestling show. When they're the target of said chant, there's no defense for that.

I agree with the guy over on DVDVR who wished Brody was still around to beat the shit out of fans like that. What a way to introduce kids to wrestling, they apparently were having fun (HOW DARE THEY! ROH IS SERIOUS BUSINESS, DAMMIT~!) only to have a bunch of jerkoffs chant at them to be quiet. The next time someone acts puzzled when people complain about fans trying to put themselves over at a show, well, this is is what they're talking about. Anyone who chants "shut the fuck up" at a 10 year old needs tazered in the ballbag to ensure they won't have to deal with the burden of having kids of their own.

From Meltz: Looks like some of the opening pyro sparked something (a speaker, some suggested) and off it went. TNA fans, of course, responded with a "THE ROOF IS ON FIRE" chant.....

I loved Gary Hart's appraisal of what made Gino Hernandez a great heel: "when he came out, every guy in the place thought he could kick Gino's ass". It's so simple, yet so many heels today forget this.

The idea of a match ending with a 20 foot bump to the ring is so ridiculously stupid, its's a miracle no one was killed.

Apparently F4W is suggesting Hogan's knee injury might have been a work to get him off RAW the week they were scheduled to do drug testing. The fact he was doing media appearances like Regis and seemed to be walking fine on what was suppoed to be a torn up knee helped fuel Vince's bad mood last week.

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I finally was able to watch this, and.........wow. I mean, everyone knows the stories about the Von Erichs and assorted other deaths that lead to the downfall of the company, but to hear it from the people involved was something else. Things that stood out for me: After hearing Kevin talk about his grandfather, it starts to make a whole lot more sense why Fritz was the way he was. Gary Hart may be the coolest person in wrestling history not named Rick Rude. He was pretty much the only one still not sucking up to Fritz after all these years. He could barely hide the disgust when telling the story of the booking meeting where he realized that A. Mike Von Erich was missing and B. They had a suicide note, but they weren't releasing it to the media because there was a big show coming up and didn't want bad press. Kevin is in an extreme state of denial/shock/grief. That probably is no surprise, but to hear him go to great lengths to excuse a cancer riddled Fritz pointing a gun at him ( the same 44 Kerry shot himself with) while saying he didn't have the guts to kill himself like his brothers, sounded exactly like a battered wife. In a twist that I found funny, the only person still alive who doesn't look like complete shit now is Skandar Akbar. He looked like he walked out of a 1984 World Class taping to do his portion of the documentary. When Kevin was taking the tour of the Sportatorium before it was razed, there was something about the way he suddenly said "well I think I've seen my fill" that kinda creeped me out. Its as if being in that building made him deal with some ghosts that he had set up quite a few mental barriers against.

I rarely speak of him in a positive way, but Scott Keith put it best when he said that scaffold matches suck because it's not fun to watch two guys or teams try their best to not look scared out of their minds. I don't know how the Road Warriors/Midnights match got to be so highly regarded, considering the usual limits of the gimmick were further hindered by Hawk breaking his leg in Japan right before. The most nerve wracking part for me was thinking the whole goddamn structure would collapse before the match ended.

You could make the argument that the same person is responsible for both guys' current statuses.

So one of the subplots in the whole "Brock gets shitcanned from New Japan" story was that he was in possession of the new IWGP title belt and didn't return it. Did NJ eventually get it back, or are they using the old belt again?

I think it would be safe to go to Detroit to WM, I mean shit, it's not like it's the Middle East there. They managed to pull off a Super Bowl there without anyone getting killed, I think WM could escape with no casualties. Plus, it just seems wrong for WrestleMania to be held in an arena barely bigger than your average RAW. I'm not saying they need to be running it in the Rose Bowl, but having your biggest show in a building that holds less than 20,000 and isn't MSG is lame.

WrestleMania will almost always be a sellout just for the name alone, unless WWE tries to full a 100,000 stadium again. Having said that, Vince will most likely go on a full court press to get a "big name" star to guarantee a sellout. The only problem is Austin, Rock (tore an Achilles filming a movie), and Hogan are probably not going to be able health-wise to do a WM main eventing program. Brock, along with burning his bridges and setting fire to the ashes, wants to go into MMA instead of pro wrestling. I'd be willing to bet Cena could get a lot of folks in the door on his own. The internet haters love to ignore the fact that he gets asses in the seats, even if said asses are in those seats to boo him. I'd like to see a Cena-Rock "passing the torch to the next generation" match echoing the Rock-Hogan match.

I downloaded the Russian National Anthem and all I can hear is Nikolai's baritone over the Garden PA system.

The Heyman vs old ECW guys feud is giving guys like Test and Mike Knox a chance to get the rub in the traditionally ECW hardcore environment. Other than sporting a physique that can't possibly get past the Wellness Program for very long, I see nothing wrong with pushing Test.

The diehard fans, whatever you want to call them, had unrealistic expectations and then vented on every messageboard known to man when SHOCKINGLY those expectations went unrealized. What doesn't make sense is you making such a spirited defense of a group and its fans you have no interest in. It would seem you wouldn't have much of a reason to defend them so vigorously unless it was a pretext to start some sort of interweb argument. ...and I wasn't calling all old ECW fans fake, just the ones who make it seem like it was the American equivalent to 90s AJPW, and the ones who claimed to be down since day one yet lived in an area that didn't get ECW TV until it was on TNN (and already on its last legs).

I'm no authority on "real fans", it's just tiresome to be constantly reading about how the old ECW was the best promotion that ever lived and the new incarnation is a failure because it's not being booked the way they want it to be. It's very tiring to see people bury things without even giving them a chance. "Oh Vince is running ECW, it's going to be horrible"....and yeah a few of the early shows were less than stellar, but you can't tell me last week's show (which was in front of a crowd of OMG MUTANTZ~!) was one of the best hours of WWE TV in a long time. I call them fake fans because it's very obvious by the way they talk about the product that they either weren't watching the old ECW when it was on, or they're looking at it today through some very thick rose colored glasses. So you've never seen the new ECW, and you weren't a fan of the old ECW, and you don't even like WWE. .......so that means your whole reply was pretty much a troll then?

Despite all the crying from ECW "fans" (most of whom probably never watched the original ECW) who want to dub this a failure, ECW is by far the best wrestling show on TV. Now granted, Smackdown is a bit decimated due to injuries and bad livers, but ECW is about a millon billion times better than both of the two main brands right now. Even the bad (Al Snow seemingly sandbagging Kevin Thorn and Angle hilariously avoiding contact on the Van Daminator) was better than watching the McMahon Family Theater Show that's taking over monday nights.