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Yeah, she did 1 porn I think about a year or so ago Heh, now i'm curious. There is a surprisingly gigantic amount of Kai matches on youtube, one day i'll have to look into this.

Wow, that's an out of left field statement. Have never heard anyone praise Kai to that degree. So what Leilani stuff do I need to see to back that up. Haven't seen a ton of her work but i've watched the Chiggy matches, seen a bunch of the Glamour Girls vs Jumping Bomb Angels tags, Glamour Girls vs Hotta & Hokuto, a lot of Glamour Girls in LPWA vs Team America, vs Wendi Richter & Rockin Robin, Kai vs Wendi singles, etc... Certainly enough to convince me she's really good but if we're judging greatest of all time not even close, maybe of her era but that's about it. Kind of unfair criteria to judge her by. She was very rarely booked in singles to begin with in AJW or atleast in ones that made tape. The few times she was that i've seen she usually delivered. Dunno if i'd go as far as to say they were great but her vs Takako was always really good. Debbie & Bull had a rockin little "awesome for a 5 min match" match too. And on the Chigusa not having many great singles front i'll just say I disagree

Yes & no. I got a lot of great feed back to some of the stuff I capped for the 2000 poll but very few of the people that enjoyed it actually bothered to vote so in the end it was sort of a wasted effort. Not really, there's always that type of stuff out thear. The Bull/Devil match from 93 Floyd brought up a few weeks back is a good example. Meltzer gave it like 5* and you mentioned you'd never even heard of it. Would probably change quite a bit with a # of the top 20 falling off and those that remained switching order.

Always thought that was a major flaw in the purotopia voting myself. Take 2003 for example, with the yes/no thing you get some matches recieving as many as 14 votes but also a large amount with like 3 or 4. And looking over the list of stuff that does get nominated, you're left with things leaning very heavily towards the major promotions & usual suspects. Like the non NOAH/NJ/Z1/AJ/Tory nominations combines for a whoping 7 or 8 matches. To me that shows that a lot of people are either not watching stuff for the vote or if they are they can't be bothered to discuss it and that a lot of stuff gets over looked. Agree, pretty much was thinking a similar idea would be great.

Both have their pluses & minuses. If I had to choose I think the way the 80's project is done is better. Love the fact that you're forced to actually watch the footage before voting as otherwise people have a tendancy to skip over things for diffrent reasons. That said it would be nice to atleast have a little freedom to vote for something you feel strongly about that may not have gotten selected. Maybe in an ideal world it would be nice if the 2 methods were combined.

Yeah in 94's, remember him getting really over with the crowd because of it and then the camera men fucked up and missed the shot of HBK helping to toss him over (they were still together at that point) which Shawn brought up in a promo during next years Rumble I believe.

Well sorta, he was out 4 months after this match until the 5/5 show after this as he took time off to heal injuries. The feud then became the rest of FMW having to rally together with out him in the mean time with Masato Tanaka leading the way to fight off the heels. Course after the 5/5 match whear he once more lost then got bitched out by Onita for being a cry baby, he was out AGAIN a few more months during which is when he got the offer from Liger to jump over to New Japan. Course he turned it down so when he came back to FMW they ran an angle with Koji Nakagawa being pissed at him for leaving when they needed him that set up their August match. After which point they made up, Hayabusa came back full time and cemented himself as the ace of the company once & for all.

Was the post match stuff included on the set? Always thought it was a cool angle with the Funk Master's stable coming together and Terry's raving promo in the back is one of my fav interviews of his whear he's pissed over the lack of respect American & other foreign wrestlers got in Japan now compared to the 70's & 80's.

Never got to see ECW Raven as it was happening but once he jumped to WCW he was my favorite wrestler in the world by far during like my freshman year of High School. Huge fan of his ever since.

Also never heard Aja criticised as a Dump clone either. Not that she didn't take a lot from her but shit, a lot of heels were atleast partially inspired by Dump's act, LCO, Ozaki, etc... 1/11/91 Devil always had among the best facials of any wrestler i've ever seen. She was great at little touches like that. Eh, that's more a reflection of no one talks about joshi period anymore. She was always highly praised (or atleast her earlier work was) back when there was a more enthused community.

As far as the Hogan on tv thing goes, that continued well on into WCW. Wasn't until Nitro came along that it finally changed as before then, outside of the Clashes you could probably count Hogan's other WCW tv matches on 1 hand.

Heh, how so? 1st time i've heard him called that Him & Hayabusa have wrestled a bunch of times. Of the main ones (as in ones that aren't clipped to hell) The 2 95 matches are better and i'd put their December 98 match ahead of this as well but on it's own, yeah, this is still really good.

Kinda the same here. Still love joshi but my interest in US stuff has gone way down. Dunno, Shimmer just got kinda boring and hard to sit through with really long 10+ match shows so I kind of got out of following it for a while. I'll get back in one day though. The amount of diffrent wrestling groups I watch now in general is way way down then it was compared to just a couple years ago. No longer watch WWE or TNA at all outside of a few PPVs a year and the random 1 off tv ep, AAA i tape every week but haven't watched in months, don't keep up with US indies any more. Still like them but just don't have the time like I used to I guess. These days i'm only regularly watching joshi, fmw, bjw, and then the rest is just random older tapes or off the wall stuff. I'll go through a battlarts phase or a wos phase or 2005 ROH or Dragon Gate or watch some older WWF/WCW or whatever. I agree. It's a much better way to enjoy a style/wrestler/company. I don't watch one-off matches anymore, not that I was ever big on this to begin with. Same way, I much prefer watching stretches of shows from a certain promotion all in a row then 1 random card or match. Never was the kind of fan who only wanted to see just the big 5 star matches or whatever, in a vacuum, out of context.

Yeah, lesser known Cooga was same class as them as well.

I have a dreadful memory of a Hotta cage match that went one hour. One hour of Yumiko Hotta in 2001, the horror. AJW had a few good stuff on the big shows, but it was mostly thanks to veterans freelancers coming back. Not a full hour but close, like 50 or so. Hotta & Ito did twice actually. The cage match sucked ass but the earlier street fight was great, one of my favorite matches ever.

Heh, what a weird weird coincidence you bring that up John. Jaguar as Li Hua vs Bison in 96 is in fact up on my site as well. JD in the days before it got taken over by the wave of pretty idol girls always got over shadowed by there just being way way too much other stuff out thear. I'll get in the mood now & then for something diffrent and buy a show of theirs and most of the time I really enjoy them but with so much AJW, JWP, GAEA & ARSION among others out thear that I still haven't seen it just always ends up taking a back seat.

I always meant to get more into ARSION, seen a bunch of tapes and loved it but got distracted by GAEA and never looked back after that. Actually only maybe 20 or so shows away from my goal of seeing every GAEA show ever and once i'm finally done with that ARSION prob will be next on my list. Only seen a small hand full of Kosugi matches, prob less then 10 but was impressed in the little i've seen of her. Hosting a few of her on my site as well. w Jaguar vs Lioness/Bloody 60 min draw & w Fang vs Toshie Uematsu & Bloody (another of my fav short lived teams)

Combat, Kudo, Aja, Bison & Kaoru were all part of the same class in AJW so they're old friends from years back. This is a "hey I wanna wrestle all my old buddies 1 last time before retiring" match essentially. There were a bunch of those around this time. Combat vs Kaoru, Combat/Kudo vs Aja/Bison, Combat vs Bison, etc...

Loved ECW on TNN, maybe in my top 10 fav runs from any promotion and always the show I looked forward to the most each week between them and what WWF & WCW were putting on at the time. I know it doesn't compare to earlier ECW but being a west coast guy I never got to see any of that anyways aside from when they finally got on PPV. Dunno what led to the ECW/FMW relationship disolving but Tanaka was still with the company until 2001 well after the TNN run ended. By that point FMW had an on & off relationship with XPW which led to horrible results.

I'll take peak GAEA over pretty much any other wrestling in the world myself. Toshie at many times was just as good as any of the others up until maybe 99 when she started slowing down a little and then never got the big push until she magically grew a personality out of nowhear at which point she was still good but no whear near what she was when younger. Megumi Yabushita & Sumie Sakai? Yabushita's still around today. Splits her time between wrestling & MMA. She works for JWP regularly now and usually teams with Bolshoi. Still really good. Sakai moved to the US, slumed around the East Coast indy sceen for a few years, got hella lazy and now mostly competes in low level MMA shows while ocasionally still wrestling. No clue who you're refering to as Bloody's fav punching bag????

The 2nd Yamakawa/Honma match did quite well in the best of 00 puro poll on Death Vallery Driver. Didn't pay as close attention to the best of polls on the pwtorrents forum but I know it atleast got talked about in nomination over thear and is in pretty regular rotation on the tracker. They'll randomly get mentioned from time to time on the Observer forums too. You sure? It's an FMW match not a BJW one so seems odd that BJW would release footage of it. Never seen it but around the same time there was a similar match with Kojika, Yamakawa & Winger vs Kanemura, Jado & Gedo in BJW, maybe you're confusing it with that?

The Yamakawa/Honma matches are still very well remembered by a lot of people and I still see Yamakawa's old work praised all the time. Honma's had a cushy gig in New Japan for the past few years, mostly just a jobber but hardly forgotten unless you were talking about just his stuff early on as a death match guy. There's a few matches on my site I put up recently you guys might be interested in with those guys in it FMW 4/11/2000 Jado, Gedo & Koji Nakagawa vs Tomoaki Honma, Ryuji Yamakawa & The Winger FMW 1/16/2001 Masato Tanaka, Jado & Gedo vs Kintaro Kanemura, Ryuji Yamakawa & Men's Teioh Will be putting up a lot more Yamakawa/FMW stuff in the next few days/week or so actually over on the DVDVR board. Thought about bringing up Oya but didn't know if he fit the criteria for the thread. He got a lot of praise once upon a time, it's more the case that not as many people are talking about old FMW anymore when he was at his peak. One of the few matches I was kinda bumed to see didn't make the 1996 set was him vs Daisuke Ikeda from the Jan FMW show. Haven't got around to watching it but I have it on my hard drive. Link to it was somewhear in the DVD matches forum, Dean's thread maybe???

Bloody's a good choice, not that she never got praise but it came from so few. Dunno, Joshi (and wrestling in general) is littered with people like that. Wrestlers who were really good but only lasted a short period of time and became forgotten about or never got their due to begin with. Making my way through the early days of GAEA, a lot of their OTHER trainees never get as much praise as they should. Everyone knows & loves the big 6 - Meiko, Kato, Sugar, Nagashima, Toshie & Hirota but GAEA churned out a ton more girls then that. At their peak there was a time when they had around 11-12 home grown talents on their roster. Girls like Makie Numao, Chihiro Nakano & Rina Ishii were just as good as those I previously mentioned but it's just that they had all faded away by the time 99 roled around and the promotion boomed in popularity with the SSU angle. Kumiko Maekawa is a more famous name I always felt was way better then some would give her credit for. When she was active in the days when more people regularly talked about joshi she got shit on quite regularly I remember. Not totally but she was very polarizing, especially after the series with Momoe started. Some hated but some loved too and I was always on the side of those that loved those matches and her work in general. Her & Watanabe vs LCO is one of my favorite series as well. Bad Boy Hido is a guy who fits into this catagory for me. Sure there's a lot of really crappy matches out thear of his and while I won't go as far as to say he needed to be carried, he did need to be in thear with someone talented and not a lesser opponent usually (he did have MIRACLE matches vs Super Leather in 98). But when Hido was healthy, motivated and in thear with a quality opponent he could have really good matches. Great brawler if you're into the hardcore/death match stuff and even if you're not, he was good in a lot of straight stuff as well. Mostly tags but watching them you never get the feel he's a guy just along for the ride & not contributing his share.

Re Monday Night Wars - doesn't get mentioned as much as it should but since Nitro always aired live & RAW is taped, on the west coast there was never a need to choose to begin with for almost the entire run. Nitro would come on at 5 and then RAW at 8 or something like that so I always just watched both.