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I don't know, I don't think it really "protected" anyone. In fact, I think quite the opposite. I think everyone in the main event actually looks worse. Brock Lesnar even looked, to me, like he didn't lose once but twice. Sure he got the F-5 at the end but Cena had him beat when Rollins interfered. And Rollins had him beat after the Curb Stomp when Cena interfered. I am not a fan of Brock looking that vulnerable. Even if there were multiple STFs & multiple Attitude Adjustments. I think the Hell in a Cell match would have had more intrigue if Brock still looked like Godzilla heading into it. Then you could have humanized him by throwing his ass into the steel. I don't know why WWE, to this day, are still so paranoid about John Cena looking week. He's been on top for a decade, he's a 15-time world champion, he's beaten everyone multiple times. If a loss would throw all of that into disarray then everyone behind-the-scenes is fucking terrible at their job. I'm not sure if ending this Pay-Per-View (do we even still refer to them as that?) with a screwjob setting up a third straight PPV with the same main event is a great idea. How many people would renew their subscription to see the same match again after they were fucked the last time? It doesn't matter if it's $50 or $10, that would upset people, I would imagine.

Horrible ending. Not happy about that at all. Whole reason I watched this damn show was for the main event. Well, at least Lesnar still has the title. I guess we're getting Brock Vs. Cena in a Cell next month.

I hope after Jericho leaves again this time it's the last time we have to see one of his bullshit "comebacks" again.

Jericho Vs. Orton in 2014. LOL. I haven't watched RAW in a month. No idea how this feud even happened. I just know that Jericho is leaving.

Is Mark Henry shoot hurt or something? He can barely walk...

Goddamn it pisses me off when Michael Cole says Wrestler X "likes to have fun." No shit, Cole, you fucking moron, who DOESN'T like fun? That's why it's called fun! Jobber.

3-hour RAW is 3-hour Nitro. 2-hour throwaway Smackdown is 2-hour throwaway Thunder. We have come full circle.

Mojo Rawley Vs. Bull Dempsey has the potential to be the worst match in the history of professional wrestling on the "no one gives a flying fuck" scale.

Thankfully there's an NFL Monday Night Football double-header tonight, so no one will see it.

I still think that Reigns wins the Rumble & we get Brock/Reigns at Wrestlemania. They can run Bryan/Brie Vs. Triple H/Stephanie & blow off the Authority stuff.

They should never, ever cut out the Wyatt entrance because the crowd is so interactive with it. It's a great visual that makes WWE look good. They should shave the time off elsewhere.

How about just different moves other than finishers & roll-ups ending matches in general? Can we get back to the days of buying near falls as if the match might be over? Will a Powerslam or a Spinebuster ever just get the job done anymore? There's not really any drama if you know when the match is over & all the 2-counts are meaningless leading up to that point. Personally, I think it would add more to wrestling if there were a return to that. Book some upsets and establish that any move at any time could get the job done & there's more mystery surrounding match outcomes & I might be more interested. Watched an old Nitro last night. Chris Benoit Vs. Steven Regal. Benoit went for a plancha, Regal moved. Rolled him back into the ring & pinned him. The match was over. I didn't see that coming -- just assumed it would a 2-count or that Benoit would grab the ropes. Good thing they showed a replay as I pretty much missed it the first time. It was more intriguing.

Funny you mention the shouting, Goodear, as that stood out to me last night as well. The flailing, yelling & like slapping his own head, holding his eye whenever he takes a shot. The more of a wrestler I watch, the more the little things start to irk me. The spaghetti legs selling of Terry Funk, the twitching of D-Von, Bret Hart never closing his mouth when he wrestles, you can't help but start to pick up on things after awhile.

The last week, with my friend John, I've watched all of December 1995 of WCW & January of 1996 WCW. The shows, (Nitros, Saturday Night, Starrcade [sans NJPW wrestlers] & Clash of the Champions) are pretty much all the same guys having interchangeable matches: Luger, Hogan, Savage, Flair, Sting mixed in with some Arn Anderson, Kevin Sullivan & The Giant shenanigans. Hogan is wrecking everyone, Savage & Flair are trading the world title, now it's Dungeon of Doom & IV Horseman stuff. Anyway, every show pretty much has had a Lex Luger match. And they've not really been all that bad, truthfully. The Torture Rack looks visually impressive & is sold as a big deal. I also remember Lex having a pretty good '88 or '89 when he was managed by Harley Race & using the Piledriver. So, anyway, easy question; complex answer: Lex Luger or Triple H? I honestly think it's pretty close but would like to hear arguments for either man.

Yeah, looks like he's heading to the Cowboys, assuming he passes the physical. Which I have no doubt he will.

This will be the first time that I listen to Chris Jericho's Podcast, apparently! Seriously? You've been missing out my friend.... I have purposely avoided it because I have no desire to listen to Chris Jericho talk. Just not my cup of tea. Triple H showing up, has piqued my interest because I'm curious about the sort of questions he'll field. I would much rather prefer it were Steve Austin or even Jim Ross instead.

So did everyone else.

Loved ECW. But it's not the 90's anymore, it's not innovative anymore & I'm not a teenager anymore. When I was 17, of course I liked a wrestling promotion that was filled with blood, cussing & women running around in nothing but a thong. I bought in to a lot of the characters. I was a huge Raven mark and him going to WCW was a big deal to me. Taz & The Dudley Boys were also huge for me. Admittedly, I also thought the world of Rob Van Dam at the time as well. I was a lot younger, a lot more hormonal & it felt more "real." Also, it can't be overstated how much the crowd was a big part of the appeal. They all seemed to be having a blast & I wanted to be a part of that. It was like a secret underground promotion that not everyone was supposed to know about. When I was staying up until 1 A.M. to watch an ECW TV show on a throwaway sports channel on a Saturday Night, it felt a helluva lot different than a Saturday morning recap WWF show when I was a kid or the 6:05 Sat WCW show featuring jobbers & scrubs. All the wrestling itself wasn't great but it was more about the over-the-top stories, the characters & there was a lot of good promos in ECW too. I could buy into the show & was emotionally invested in seeing things play out. ECW was really my first exposure to a hardcore wrestling product. I had seen bloody brawls & whatnot but I wasn't exposed to Japan or anything yet in 1998, so seeing New Jack jump from a balcony or The Dudley Boys put Spike Dudley through a flaming table...that was all new to me. And Sabu was just straight-up insane. Table spots were new & fresh to me. So were the kendo stick blows from Sandman. Was it all it was cracked up to be? I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of revisionist history going on. I feel like a lot of newer wrestling fans associate ECW with what WWE tells them it was & others look back on it with rose-colored glasses (probably myself as well). I liked it for what it was at the time. I don't have a huge desire to revisit it but it filled a wrestling void in my life when I was looking to branch out.

I, personally, would be more than happy to see simple, yet effective, moves such as the DDT, Sleeper Hold or Spinebuster become finishes again. I cringe whenever I see a DDT in a Divas match get no-sold.

This will be the first time that I listen to Chris Jericho's Podcast, apparently!

Loss, I think you're right: it would be better as its own thread. Wanna move the replies to a new thread?

"Major Gunns" Tylene Buck is a cam whore. Is it really any worse than that?

For me, it's about NFL football. Sunday & Monday Night Football is always going to take precedence over a WWE PPV or RAW. Plus, it's nice to take a break from WWE sometimes so you don't feel so burned out. Especially nowadays where every three PPVs in a row seem to have the same card of rematches. Come Rumble time, they'll be heating up for Wrestlemania plus the Rumble match itself is just always fun. Survivor Series has been just another PPV for awhile now & I can't even tell you the names of the other PPVs following Summerslam.

I thought I'd already made a thread for it in the past & I tried searching for topics I had created but didn't see it. My memory isn't as good as it used to be, maybe I just made posts in a big thread & didn't make a thread for it then. I can't remember. I'm getting old.

I think I have done this here before with mild success. I'll give three wrestler names, you put them in order from best to worst. The exercise is supposed to make you think about what you value from a wrestler more with the idea being that the names are similar in some fashion so as the make the decisions tougher. Different fans are entertained by different things, even from just an in-ring perspective. What else influences your enjoyment of someone? Their character work? Does their outside-the-ring activities alter your perception of their work any? Group A: Road Warrior Animal, Rick Steiner, Demolition Smash Group B: Terry Gordy, Bam Bam Bigelow, John Tenta Group C: Yoshihiro Tajiri, 2 Cold Scorpio, Sabu Group D: Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Shawn Michaels