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It was during that bullshit with Edge when Vickie was GM of Smackdown and banned the Spear. He only had it for like 20 minutes, then lost it right back to Edge when Teddy Long re-instated him or whatever. I don't think it really counts.

Chris Jericho made his "return" last night and he didn't seem bad when he was making fun of John Cena's AWFUL Star Wars promo but I'm not looking forward to Money in the Bank at all. Shame, really, as this could very well be Jericho's final run.

I actually get this channel. I sometimes watch Psych re-runs on there. That being said, if this is just going to be another C-show that doesn't really effect any of the product in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter. At that point, I would rather just have NXT.

That kinda sums up the ROH-bots though, no?

Neither did any normal person.

Genuinely excited for the release of No Holds Barred on DVD on July 3rd. I have a pretty big DVD collection & I have been wanting that movie for years. Joan Severance was like my first crush ever. Not because of this movie, more because of the Scorpions "Rhythm of Love" music video, but she was in a movie with Hulk Hogan & I was a wrestling mark.

There's an interesting conversation within this topic somewhere but I think it's more toward the middle-to-bottom of the lists than at the top of the lists. Rob Van Dam over Randy Savage & Bret Hart is blowing my mind.

I am only going to do a Top 20 (based on work that I have seen), so a lot of the older guys will get an unfair shake as I was born in 1981, started watching around 1986 & certainly didn't go out of my way to watch the likes of Sammartino, Inoki, etc. Bret Hart Ric Flair Shawn Michaels Eddie Guerrero Randy Savage Bob Backlund Rey Mysterio Jr. Steve Austin Triple H The Undertaker The Rock Kurt Angle Chris Jericho Jeff Hardy Brock Lesnar Mick Foley John Cena Batista C.M. Punk Edge

This thread sure took a helluva turn from the No Way Out Pay-Per-View!

This is great! Keep it going, guys. More help that I was initially anticipating.

Consider this a recommendation thread in addition to a discussion thread. I am a pretty big Adrian Adonis fan but I want to see more of his work. So I was hoping to get some opinions and recommendations from more knowledgeable people. How much of his older stuff is even readily available? I would definitely like to see more of his tag team stuff with Jesse Ventura and his AWA stuff as a whole, really. Are there any good matches with Backlund? What about his bald-headed return to the AWA in the late 80's? I know he put on quite a bit of weight but was there anything good, worth seeking out? It's a damn shame that he died so young. "Good night, Irene!"

Does it really matter who it is coming from? Michael Cole is still the one that hears it in his headset and says it live, on the air, for millions of people to hear. Did Tony Schiavone get a break over his "asses in seats" comment because someone fed him the line? Did someone even feed him the line? Michael Cole still takes the blame in my book.

The place I was watching with, had a couple of buddies over, and they all blew up at Cole too. One actually stopped watching over it. Michael Cole really hurts the product and anyone that argues that the commentators can't help or hurt a show is a fucking moron.

I agree completely and I don't think my arguments for why have really changed all that much over time either. The only thing that has really changed, in my opinion, is that the roster is more thin now than it even was back when I was asking for it a few years ago. First of all, and this point isn't real strong or anything, but it is pretty annoying having to explain to someone in detail who the world champion is. Before, you could just answer with a name. Now, you have to explain the brand extension, Smackdown, RAW & give two names. It doesn't come up all that often but when someone knows I'm a fan, they'll say something like "Oh, I used to watch that. Who's the champ?" UGH. "Well..." Secondly, a lot of people have said things in the past relating to "without the brand extension, less people will get TV or get over" which I don't think is true. Would Daniel Bryan be a former World Heavyweight Champion? Would The Great Khali? I don't know. But the show is still dominated by John Cena, even without the title, and WWE Champion C.M. Punk still plays second fiddle to him. I would rather have one credible champion than two non-credible midcard champions. I agree with skinsfan87 in that the second belt to headline a second tour should be the Intercontinental Heavyweight Championship of the World (as Randy Savage would call it). And finally, it would give WWE a reason to actually make a new title to get rid of the non-spinning spinner title. I just really dislike the design and always have and this is a pretty selfish reason.

I was watching Rick Rude Vs. Hiroshi Hase on YouTube in Japan and I fell out when I saw that Rude's tights said "JAPS SUCK" on them.

I don't think that you honestly believe this.

I was too. Honestly, I think I was really deflated by Sheamus retaining in the curtain jerk. I mean, I guess I knew that Sheamus was going to retain, especially since Dolph was added last minute, but I was still hoping for the swerve and Ziggler win. And maybe even a babyface turn. Then we get things like the diva match and the 8-jobber tag and I just checked out mentally.

I would argue, maybe even controversially, that outside of being a mid-card comedy act, no one has ever given a shit about Christian. He's boring as fuck and the harsh reality is, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter that much how good of a worker you are. Unless you're so painfully bad that you can't really do ANYTHING right, the crowds are pretty forgiving. Especially to people that can make them laugh. But Christian as a serious competitor and a former World Champion? NOPE.

Hypothetical question but since WWE is publicly traded now what does any of this mean for shareholders? If WWE owns the entire video library of all U.S. wrestling for the most part, it's considered an asset, I would imagine. But after Vince McMahon dies, where are all of his shares going? Because something like the video libraries is obviously never going to be sold off. But what if someone other than a McMahon becomes the majority share-holder somehow? I'm so ignorant toward big business it's hilarious. I have NO IDEA how ANY of that shit works. Heh.

I'm a fan of One Man Gang as well. :-) I actually get some shit from my friends for a few of my favorites but it's all in good fun. I like The Great Khali because to me I always think it is what Frankenstein's Monster would look like if he were a wrestler. The dude can not even walk, he lumbers. He should come out with bolts in his neck!

I'm glad the crowd was kind to Big Van Vader. He seemed genuinely emotional post-match. :-)

This is not a problem here, as we have a lot of historians and just posters that have seen such a ridiculous amount of footage that it's borderline insane (which is why I love this forum) but I wish there was a way to convey to others how great and underrated a lot of older wrestlers really were. I guess I'm just not good enough with words. I also don't think I'm qualified to be the one making the statements in the first place. Seeing Edge go into the Hall of Fame made me think about it. Seeing people make lists of the top wrestlers makes me think about it. Really, I think about it on almost a daily basis. Outside of WWF (now WWE) it's like the majority of "wrestling fans" don't know anything else exists. Especially now that WCW is dead. WWE is wrestling. Like...all of it. King Kong Bundy was great. I have no problem saying that. I love Adrian Adonis too. And Bam Bam Bigelow. That's just an example of some names that are never mentioned or recognized for anything but Edge in some circles is in the conversation for one of the greatest of all-time in some circles? And it's like a lot of wrestling fans, especially newer fans, that started watching during the John Cena era, will never know how great guys like Santana, Steamboat, Snuka, Sammartino or Savage really were and that's just names that begin with the letter S off the top of my head. It's just really irksome. I much prefer trying to educate myself on the bigger body of work of some guys from the past than trying to follow along weekly with the John Cena show. I consider myself pretty ignorant toward professional wrestling and I have been watching for about twenty-five years now. There is just SO much shit that I have still not seen... I lack self-control is what it is. Instead of posting on forums where I disagree with so many people, I should just not post hardly at all in places where I can learn something, like here and just read instead. I'm a glutton for punishment!

I feel like if Dave Meltzer really thought that was huge news then he's really, really out of touch.

How the fuck are video games big news? LOL! WHO CARES? What a joke... That might have been more disappointing than "big changes" in TNA that get announced every month. Meltz did a decent job of garnering some attention for it though. Meltzer is the new Dixie Carter. That wasn't even as big of news as RAW saying it's going three hours or TNA going live.

Well, hopefully the news comes out soon so the speculation can stop and it can become its own thread. ;-)