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I was just trying to figure this out... you have to subtract the losses from monthly PPV being free. Since we are looking at domestic numbers only for the 1st year, what is the money generated from Mania until the July PPV for WWE? It's not total WM buys though is it? Just the buys you lose from the subscribers. Unless I've missed something.

Really interested in how they worked out the $10 price point here. That seems smart to me. Can see 100,000s paying that. If let's say 100,000 people do it, that's $1million a month income. Pretty amazing.

I was on -3 at one point.

http://placetobenation.com/titans-of-wrest...gust-23rd-1980/ Parv, Johnny, Pete and Kelly watch another WWF show from 1980. On the docket tonight: 08-16 HARLEY RACE vs RICK MCGRAW CHAMPIONSHIP WRESTLING 08-23 LARRY ZBYSZKO vs IVAN PUTSKI PHILADELPHIA SPECTRUM 08-23 ANDRE THE GIANT/PEDRO MORALES vs LOU ALBANO/AFA PHILADELPHIA SPECTRUM 08-23 KEN PATERA vs GORILLA MONSOON PHILADELPHIA SPECTRUM Also on this show: - Focus on commentators, including in-depth discussion of: Vince McMahon, Gorilla Monsoon, Lance Russell, Gordon Solie, Jesse Ventura, Jerry Lawler, Dutch Mantell, Bob Caudle, Joey Styles, David Crockett, Jim Ross, and many other commentators - Bios for Rick McGraw and "humanitarian of the year" Kal Rudman - Talking point 1: "Killing the piledriver" - Talking point 2: Were more people watching wrestling before or after Vince's took over the WWF? - Talking point 3: To what extent should babyfaces always stick to the rules? The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of: Where the Big Boys Play, Titans of Wrestling, Pro-Wrestling Super-Show, Good Will Wrestling, and Wrestling With the Past.

Vetoed Kelly, since WCW couldn't get Piper (I assume Abby would be available). What we really want from you are jobber bios for those Candians though. Who the hell is Danny "Bull" Johnson?

I reckon after watching Clash 13, WCW 2000-2001 is gonna be child's play.

I said it before but I find Bill Watts's insane right-wing uber-capitalist Christian ranting much more entertaining (it's almost hypnotic!) than Corny's political stuff. A lot of Cornette's stuff is basically too specific to the US for me to care about anyway. I like Corny's old-man anti-modern WWE rants though, even if they are a bit out of date.

On Starrcade 90, Paul E. compares Mr. Saito to the Steiners and argues that he's kinda like a protoype Jananese Steiner brother. I wonder if a Saito / Angle comparison might work too.

http://placetobenation.com/where-the-big-b...llision-course/ Chad and Parv welcome Brad from Place to Be Nation to review Starrcade 90: Collision Course. - [16:12] Wrestling Observer and Torch round up including: Pat O'Connor's wife vs. Sam Muchnick, various comings and goings including the loss of the Nasty Boys, and *thank God* good riddance to Ole Anderson as booker. - [45:41] Starrcade 90 review including: Jim Cornette's Christmas poem about Evil Jim Herd, WTBBP "welcomes" back Jack Victory, a wide spectrum of opinion on Steiners vs. Saito and Muta, and *thank God* good riddance to the Black Scorpion. - [02:59:38] End of show awards and question for the listeners: who could have realistically represented Canada in the tag tournament better than Troy Montour and Danny "Bull" Johnson? The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of: Where the Big Boys Play, Titans of Wrestling, Pro-Wrestling Super-Show, Good Will Wrestling, and Wrestling With the Past.

It's been something that has really frustrating me of late. All those guys who are now dead that RF or KC or whoever just completely blew because the interviewer didn't have a clue. I guess the problem is that a lot of the higher end guys would expect payment right? I can't see DiBiase sitting down with one of us for free for 2 hours, can you? What were the parameters of the BR interview? Someone really should sit down with someone like Terry Funk and pick his brains for a few hours before he's gone, y'know. In a way, we're getting a little bit more with Austin's show, but as we saw with the Flair interview, Austin is not really going to probe and is happy to let BS fly and all that. Even if we only got a handful of interviews "done properly", it would be better than nothing.

Just want to echo these sentiments. You only had 15 minutes with him and this was as good as it possibly could have been. You got him to talk both about periods of career he seldom goes into, a story I can't recalling him telling before and about the art of wrestling in general, which is what you want to see from a DiBiase interview in 2014. It's great that we've reached a stage where guys are at least being asked the right sorts of questions in shoots now. I almost feel like everyone needs to be interviewed again but "properly". Good job man. I did actually ask him this in person and his answer, annoyingly, was that he was trained by the Funks, and just like Funk was good at brawling and technically, so too was Ted "notable for both".

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I ranked it at #6 and thought it was a technical masterpiece. (that was the 83 match) I ranked it at #131 and thought it was boring.

Sputnik Monroe detail on Cornette part 1 is great.

April - Week 2 Solie: Last week, after Bob Giegel's decree, unprecedented measures were taken here on the Superstation TBS. If you recall, ALL matches involving the Russians now carry a "Loser Leaves Town" stipulation, if the loser is Russian, they must also leave the National Wrestling Alliance and the United States of America. In big news, last week, we have already seen Gregori Wiskoski forced out of the country. But, it came at a terrible price: the Russians exacted their revenge and One Man Gang, Arn Anderson, Matt Borne, B. Brian Blair and Bobby Fulton are all gone from Georgia Championship Wrestling. It remains to be seen how long the company can hold out against the Russian onslaught. And there is STILL no sign of Ivan Koloff. We are told that Tommy Rich is making good progress on his recovery after his neck was injured at the hands of the Russian peril. Ole Anderson has vowed to find his friend, it all promises to come to a head NEXT WEEK at The Omni. After last week's disgraceful actions, it has been announced that Ole Anderson will be taking on Kolenko Markoff one on one inside a STEEL CAGE. In addition, extra security has been brought in to ensure that NO other Russians can be at ringside. Also at The Omni next week: The Russian Bear will be taking on STAN HANSEN in a Russian chain, loser leaves town match! And Dick Murdoch and Larry Zbysko will join forces to take on Hammer and Sickle in a No Holds Barred Texas Tornado, loser leaves town tag match. This is MAKE OR BREAK time for Georgia Championship Wrestling. Everything is on the line or else the IRON CURTAIN will fall on this great sport. [most of this show focuses on other matches and workers] Ole Anderson (promo): An Iron Curtain threatens to fall on Georgia Championship Wrestling. For weeks now, Markoff and the KGB and The Russian Bear and those ... goons, Hammer and Sickle, have been coming out here and wreaking havoc with anyone and anything. Now everyone knows I'm not the biggest fan in the world of Tommy Rich but I was SICKENED by the brutal attack on him. And I have lost many hours of sleep thinking about where in the hell my old buddy ... Ivan Koloff might be. They. Took. Him. Away. In. A. Body. Bag. These are not men. These are not human beings. Communism has a way of stripping the humanity from people. But this is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA god dammit! We stand for freedom! We stand for humanity! We fight the good fight against evil people. People like YOU Kolenko Markoff! So when I get you inside that steel cage at the Omni next week, I am going to beat you to within an inch of your life. You ain't got no back up now have you? I'm going to take your skull and ram into that cold steel again and again and again. You haven't got anywhere to hide inside that cage. And if you didn't know I am an ANDERSON. And as an Anderson I specialize in breaking people's bones. Maybe an arm. Maybe a leg. Just think about this as you walk down that aisle to face me ... it might be the last time you walk at all! ------ April - Week 3 - Omni Supershow We get a video package of Chris Markoff working out. He's clearly old and out of shape but is seen in full CCCP tracksuits doing situps and starjumps Moscow 1980 style. Dick Murdoch and Larry Zbysko vs. Hammer and Sickle (/w Boris Malenko), No Holds Barred Texas Tornado Loser Leaves Town Match Murdoch and Zbysko dominate the early going and the heels can't get anything going at all. Malenko trips Zbysko which looks like the transition, but Hammer and Sickle fail to capitalise. They are greatly outclassed in this match and it's obvious they are going to lose. Murdoch hits the brainbuster on Hammer but Malenko drags the ref out of the ring and lays him out with a punch. Murdoch fucking loses it and just starts beating the shit out of Hammer's head. He's out cold and bleeding from under the mask. Zbysko goes after Malenko and chases him to the back. Meanwhile The Russian Bear has been making his way to ringside and nails Zbysko with a clothesline as he goes past. This allows Malenko to get a chair to KO Larry. Russian Bear hits a big splash on the concrete. Back in the ring, Murdoch is still beating on Hammer. Sickle sneak attacks him from behind as the ref comes to for 1, 2, 3. Ring announcer: Dick Murdoch and Larry Zbysko must now leave Georgia Championship Wrestling! Crowd are about ready to riot. The Russian Bear (/w Boris Malenko) vs. Stan Hansen, No DQ Russian Chain Loser Leaves Town Match Hansen jumps the Bear as he's stepping through the ropes and chokes him with the chain. He wraps it round his fist and basically beats the shit out of him. Russian Bear is both bleeding profusely and virtually immobilized in the middle of the ring. Solie wonders on commentary how Hansen is actually going to be able to drag this massive man to all four corners of the ring. He tries and shouts from the top of his voice trying to haul this huge carcass to the first turnbuckle. Russian Bear is out cold and virtual dead weight. While this is going on Sickle hits the ring and Boris Malenko schoolboys Hansen. Sickle wraps the chain around Hansen's throat and then pulls down on it from outside the ring. Meanwhile, Malenko grabs a glass of water from ringside and throws it in Russian Bear's face trying to revive him. Sickle still has Hansen pinned down by the chain and Russian Bear now gets up to give him a big splash. Sickle starts decking Hansen in the face too. He is now a bloody mess as well. Russian Bear tries to drag him. Gets to the first corner. Gets to the second corner. And the third. But Hansen comes to and starts fighting back. Sickle jumps up on the apron and Hansen lariats him. Hammer now runs down to ringside. Hansen hits the lariat on Russian Bear who doesn't go down first time. ANOTHER lariat and he's floored. He goes to the ropes for a big knee drop but Hammer trips him. Sickle comes to as well. They manage to pin Hansen down and Malenko produces a handkerchief from his pocket. CHLOROFORM! That puts Hansen out cold and The Russian Bear is able, just about, to drag him to all for corners for the most dastardly on wins. Ring Announcer: Stan Hansen must now leave Georgia Championship Wrestling! The fans are besides themselves at this point. Some might even leave or be thrown out. Ole Anderson vs. Kolenko Markoff, Loser Leaves Town Cage Match Markoff comes out wearing those old 70s-style short shorts. Ole gets a big ovation but he's all business and looks PISSED. Boris Malenko attempts to come to the ring with Markoff but is escorted back to the locke room by armed policemen. Ole absolutely annihilates Markoff to start. He's a bloody mess within 1 minute and Ole seems hell bent on breaking his leg. Shinbreaker! Kneedrop from the top rope onto the leg! He starts trying to throw Markoff into the cage leg-first! Solie talks about the ref possibly stopping the match. Ole sticks Markoff in the figure four and as he does so Hammer, Sickle, Malenko and a very bloodied Russian Bear all try to charge the ring. Police are everywhere. This is chaos. The ref turns to see what's going on and as he does so, Markoff, half-dead, has enough to reach into his shorts to produce a CHLOROFORM handkerchief for his only real offense in the match. Ole is KO'd, while they are still wrapped in the figure-four. Because of that, both his shoulders are on the mat and the ref turns around to count 3. Ring announcer: Ole Anderson must now leave Georgia Championship Wrestling! Solie is heartbroken on commentary. Fans leave the Omni with tears of bitter rage. The Iron Curtain has fallen on GCW.

Here's some to pick from. His WWF and Mid-South periods have been done to death, so some of the earlier stuff would be of real interest, especially the 79 WWF run, GCW and St. Louis. Ted has a habit of giving the same stock answers in every interview, so it would be cool to ask him some of the questions about the real nitty gritty specifics. Please don't ask him about God or his son or the interview will blow. - In your training, what would you say were the key things you learned from Dory Funk Jr and Terry Funk respectively? - In your view, who was the better worker out of the two of them and why? - When you got the call to work in St. Louis in 1978, did you feel like you'd "made it"? - How did working for Sam Muchnick in St. Louis compare with working for other promoters? - How did your 1979 stint with the WWF come about? - What was it like working with Vince Sr? Did he have any specific plans for you? - What can you tell us about the different personalities in WWF at that time? Was it difficult or easy to go into that locker room? - Thoughts on Pat Patterson as a worker? - When did you first decide to work in Georgia? And how much was the exposure granted by TBS a factor in you working there? - In the period from 1982 to 1984 your schedule seemed pretty hectic: from records it seems like you were working tours for All Japan, regular dates for Georgia Championship Wrestling, monthly dates for St. Louis and still working for Bill Watts at the same time. How did all of that work? Was it difficult to juggle? - How did you keep up with the travel during this period? And how demanding was that schedule compared with the schedule you were working in WWF in the late 1980s? - You were part of some very memorable angles and feuds during your time in Georgia and Mid-South. What would you say were your favourite ones? - What was going through your mind on the nights you had to work with JYD? How does working with a guy like JYD differ from working with someone like, for example, Terry Taylor? - When you were working with Magnum TA in 1984, did you think he was going to be a big star when you put him over? - You started your career as a firey babyface, then worked for a long time as an arrogant heel. Which do you think came more naturally to you? Is it easier to work as one or the other? - Was there any chance at all that you would have worked for the NWA in 1987 or were you ALWAYS going to the WWF? If Crockett had promised you the world title would you have taken that over the Million Dollar Man character? - Do you ever regret not working for JCP? - Did Vince ever promise you the world title in 1988? Do you wish you could have had a run? - When you first arrived at WWF, did anyone tell you that you had to alter your style in the ring at all? How much "direction" were you given in your matches? - Memories of Randy Savage? What was the best match you had with Savage do you think? - Memories of Andre and Hogan? Do you see those guys as good workers? - How much had Hogan changed as a person from 1979 when you worked with him at MSG to the guy you saw in 1988? - After the feud with Savage, you transitioned to a feud with Hercules. Did you think to yourself that you were being de-pushed? - At Royal Rumble 89, you had a nice angle buying the number #30 draw from Slick. But Big John Studd ended up winning it. Do you think that was a mistake? Would it have been better for you to win that Rumble? - Did you ever feel that the WWF didn't push its top heels enough? - What was going on with your push in 1989? It seems like a period without a lot of direction for the character. Did you ever bring this up with Vince or the office? - What are your memories of working on the classic "Million Dollar Man" entrance theme? You sing the vocals! - What are your thoughts on Virgil as a worker? Did you enjoy working with him? - You started feuding with Dusty Rhodes in late 1990, what was he like at that time? - He put you over clean at Royal Rumble 1991, how did it feel to be one of the few men to pin Dusty clean? Was he reluctant to do it? - How did you think things were going in 1991 in general? - Thoughts on Mike Rotunda / Money Inc.? - What was your best match in your WWF run do you think? - What was it like going back to Japan in 1993? - What do you think your career best match was? - Where and when was your favourite run during your career? - What are you memories of meeting Parv at Raw Deal 2 in Stevenage last year?

Give me a few hours.

My brother and I spent at least 10 minutes watching Akeem promos and skits laughing our asses off last night. It's mainly his hand gestures and jive motions that do it. Every time. Shit is hilarious. But my bro was really tickled by this tiny moment in the Royal Rumble 89 promo / business with DiBiase: There's an incredible moment around 1:51 when Bossman looks over and clocks Akeem. You can see something go off in his head as he sees what Akeem is doing and he actually does a double take back at Akeem. He kept rewinding it and replaying it and we were in stitches.

My wrestling aims are more or less obvious for 2014 and people could probably guess them (podcasts, 80s sets, etc.). I'm prone to overshoot (yearbooks, TNT, etc.), so I won't make any promises. One little change I want to make, however, is to change my style of reviewing matches on the forum. In the main, my current match reviews tend towards description and incidental comments about hair styles or whatever for the main body with one or two lines of substantive analysis at the end, occasionally with longer breakdowns of the structure if I think it's necessary. This makes each review itself feel like more of a chore. And sometimes the idea of it in itself is enough to put me off viewing. It feels like work. Since we ditched the play-by-play segments on WTBBP and went with pure analysis, the shows are a lot breezier to do -- I was hung up on catching every move before whereas now I can just watch as a fan. I'm going to try the same idea for my match reviews on PWO: no description of moves or the match itself (not sure if I can talk about wrestling without mentioning clothes, commentary and so on, will see how it goes). If it means ending up with just a two-line summary of my thoughts, so be it. I have noticed that Loss's reviews tend towards this model and I'm wondering if viewing is breezier for him as a result. That's my basic aim: make reviews shorter and purely substantive, and therefore make viewing easier to do in general.

This might be the best thread on this forum. I've just spent 45 mins reading it. I'm going to have to watch some more of this set now. This context helps bring everything alive, it's enhanced the matches I've already seen.

That Chavo heel turn from Houston is a pretty cool extra. I loved it when Boesch loses his temper here. "You used the same hot substance you gave me as a gift from your father! You ought to be ashamed of yourself" "YOU'RE NOT MY FATHER!" "I'm taking you off the card ..." This angle was great. And, yes, now Cornette losing his hair in an infamous angles (I've heard the electric clippers weren't working properly or something). Corny has paid off Dr. Death to take out Duggan so Hercules can win the hair vs. hair match. Duggan obviously fires back though and a ton of faces hit the ring to ensure he can shave off Corny's hair without the MX or Herc interfering. He does look legit pained as all this is going on, it's obviously hurting him. Great to have this footage. Amusingly, the crowd starts chanting "Doo-gan! Doo-gan!" Now they get an actual bic razor out. Holy shit.

Housekeeping Mid-South d2 rankings ****3/4 Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) ****1/2 Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (7/6/84) Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (OKC 5/27/84) **** Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (OKC 8/9/84) ***3/4 Brickhouse Brown & Master G vs. Butch Reed & Ernie Ladd (10/21/84) Butch Reed vs. Skip Young (9/23/84) The Fantastics vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (10/12/84) ***1/2 The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (No DQ) (9/28/84) *** Killer Khan vs. Chris Adams (9/9/84) **1/2 Adrian Street vs. Chris Adams (10/10/84) ** Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (7/2/84) Dusty Rhodes & Jim Duggan vs. Butch Reed & Hercules Hernandez (8/19/84) The Fantastics & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Jim Cornette (7/20/84)

Mid-South 2.8 Dusty Rhodes & Jim Duggan vs. Butch Reed & Hercules Hernandez (8/19/84) What's great about this footage without commentary is that you can hear what the guys are shouting to each other. A lot of stalling from the heels to start. Reed sells like a champ for Dusty in the shine. Rhodes is looking particularly fat here. Duggan is very over with this crowd. Corny is at ringside. This is a street fight and that means everyone wears cowboy boots, jeans and a white t-shirt. Dusty is actually wearing a white short-sleeved shirt that doesn't have its buttons done up so he can show off his spectacular belly. Oh and Reed is in a pair of red Adidas tracksuit bottoms. Run DMC were big in 1984, so this marks a very rare occassion when a wrestler is actually on trend. For a brawl this took too long to take off for me, and it wasn't brutal enough for my tastes. Dusty didn't bleed like a stuffed pig. Structurally it was all over the place and then it just ended after Cornette used the powder. Not very satifying. ** Mid-South 2.9 Killer Khan vs. Chris Adams (9/9/84) I've gone on record to say I don't like Chris Adams, but I'm willng to give him another chance. Khan always reminds me of Tod Browning's Freaks. A lot of flash and fire from Adams to start. He's working with great intensity. Khan bails and does a lot of his usual schtick. As he gets back in does a series of nasty-looking stomps on Adams's head and some grizzly choking. Adams comes back on fire again before sitting into a chinlock. Inzaguri! Backdrop! Legdrop! ONE, TWO, hegothim NO! That was a hot little sequence, Adams still on top goes back to the chinlock before Khan does something cheap to get back on top. All he's got is chops, chokes and shrill shouting really but he does those things reasonably well. The ref here is rather distracting. He's in Khan's face a bit too much. Adams hits the super kick TWICE and then nails Akbar for good measure. That buys Khan enough time to get on the top rope and nail him with a flying knee drop. Didn't see that finish coming and I've seen this match before. Not bad at all and structurally sound. My only complaint is that something more interesting didn't happen when Khan was on top. *** Mid-South 2.10 Butch Reed vs. Skip Young (9/23/84) Wrestling's Most Fashionable Man 1984 is jawing the fans and his opponent to start. I don't give Young much chance here, Reed looks amazing. Couple of sloppy armdrags from Skip to start. Reed is jawing so much it seems like he wants to win this match through psychological torture alone. Young does look quite dejected in fairness, it might be working. Young applies a headlock. Reed tries to atomic drop himself out of it but it's reversed and Young hits one instead. No no no, this is not what I want to be happening here. I want to see Reed destroying Young's JTTS ass. A pretty lackluster shine sequence. Things pick up for a moment and there is a lot of motion, but Young takes it back to the headlock. He wrenches on it several times which is enough for Reed to fall back. Young thinks he's Bob Backlund here! Finally, Reed pulls out a back suplex. There's our transition. He plays king of the mountain now. Snapmare. Fistdrop. Reed shouts: "He's a fieldhand just like Junk Yard Dog! Come on Boy!" Awesome. Sits in a reverse chinlock now. He presses his knee in between Young's shoulder blades. That's my favourite variant of the reverse chinlock. Now he does something a bit unusual: keeps the chinlock on but lies flat and then uses the ropes for leverage on the chinlock and even tries to make it a pinning predicament, don't see that spot often with the chinlock. All through this Reed is shouting abuse at Young and the ref. This is the sort of thing that can make matwork interesting for me. Reed goes for his second rope splash but Young gets his knees up. He beats his chest to fire up and hits a backdrop. Second-rope missile dropkick then the goes for a crossbody but Reed catches him for a hot shot. Legdrop from the second rope. Good night Irene. That was really enjoyable and a great performance from Reed against a lesser opponent (both as a worker and in kayfabe terms). ***3/4 Mid-South 2.11 The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (No DQ) (9/28/84) "Please return to your seats. You WILL be arrested ... You MUST CLEAR THE AISLE AND RETURN TO YOUR SEATS" Could this match start off on a better note than that? Fantastics have been dominating proceedings in the early going as you'd expect. A lot of stooging by MX. There's a masked man outside the ring who I am going to assume is Cornette post-head shave (is that angle on the extras?). A punch from him acts as the transition. And MX take over on offense mainly by working Fulton's arm. Double underhook suplex by Eaton -- the correct choice of suplex when you're working someone's arm! There's a big ref bump at the end of this match and the Fulton has Eaton pinned. The ref misses it. Allowing Corny to take Rogers out of commission and Condrey enough time to get in to help Bobby out. They hit a doomsday device and Condrey has Fulton pinned for what seems AN AGE before the ref lumbers back in to make the 3 count. I've seen so many better MX vs. Fantastics matches than this. The ref was badly out of position during the finish. The FIP sequence felt truncated. They didn't really use the "No DQ" stipulation at all beyond Rogers's use of the closed fists. Disappointing. That doesn't mean any of this was bad however, but any time these two aren't having MOTYC type matches it's a disappointment in my book. ***1/2 Mid-South 2.12 Adrian Street vs. Chris Adams (10/10/84) A rare Wales vs. England match up on American soil here. And as I type that Jim Ross says "two athletes hailing from England in this matchup". Listen up Jim Ross and all Americans everywhere, Wales is not in England ok. I'm going to start introducing all my American co-hosts and guests as being "from Canada" until this stops! Boyd Pierce calls Randy "Don't Call Me Peewee" Anderson "Peewee Anderson". Very stiff slap by Adams. Bill Watts is disgusted on commentary. He repeatedly calls Adrian Street a "sissy". In fairness a sissy is basically a wimpy man who acts like a woman, so he's not wrong. Except that there's nothing wimpy about Street which he duly points out. Street does some gnarly work on Adams's leg but Terry Taylor runs out and kisses Miss Linda. Street goes over and starts beating her up!! It was legit shocking the first time I saw it and so it is seeing it a second time. OMG! Match was a bit short and aborted, but the action was good while it lasted. **1/2 Mid-South 2.13 The Fantastics vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (10/12/84) Paul Boesch tells us that Hector "has a screw lose somewhere" and then describes Chavo's heel turn on Jose Lothario. Chavo and Fulton exchange snapmares. Rogers comes in to work Chavo's arm, which the Fantastics do to good effect for the next few minutes. However, something happens that I just don't understand at all: Fulton just allows Chavo to tag out. Why? Senseless. Lo and behold Hector is able to take advantage before long. He hits a vertical suplex. The Gurreros are able to isolate Rogers now. There's a spot where Chavo goes for a piledriver and Rogers reveres it into a backdrop. Rogers goes to tag and Chavo grabs his foot to prevent him doing so. What's the conclusion? Chavo is smart and Fulton is an idiot. Another suplex by Chavo. But Rogers manages to get the hot tag now. Fulton comes in guns blazing. Cool finish as Fulton has Hector pinned but the ref doesn't see it and Chavo hits a cool move from the top rope for 3. Good match, but that failure by Fulton to stop Hector tagging was idiotic. ***3/4 Mid-South 2.14 Brickhouse Brown & Master G vs. Butch Reed & Ernie Ladd (10/21/84) This match might be Exhibit A in Bill Watts's "I'm not racist" defence. How many times do you see all four contenders in a tag match being black guys? I'm struggling to think of a single other example. Anyway, Reed and Ladd are contenders for "coolest team ever" in my book. And fairplay to Ladd he's bumping around for these midcard faces. Takes a big backdrop. Master G does some flashy dropkicks and some shuckin and jivin. He's pretty over with the crowd. I'm not sure the name of the spot but it's the one where one guy holds another guys arms behind his back and stretches him -- that spot is the story of the face's control segment here. They have Reed in it for several minutes. Pretty dull stuff. Finally the heels take over and Ladd gives Master G a well-deserved stiff chop to the face and one of his cool-as-fuck double leg drops. He must be about a foot taller than G. Reed comes in and delivers his patented fistdrop. Running bulldog! That gets 2. And now a payback spot: the double arm pull thing again. He puts his boot into Master G's back to really pull on the arms. Belly-to-back suplex! Multiples kneedrops now. Swinging neckbreaker! Elbow drop. This is what I'd want to see with Reed and Master G in the ring together. Ladd comes in and does another aweome legdrop. But Master G fights back and gets the hot tag! Brown's dancing looks ridiculous. But his fire is shortlived as Reed hits a fistdrop while the ref's back is turned and Ladd covers for 3. The longish shine sequence with the faces working Reed's arms was rubbish, but the heel control segment was all kinds of awesome. Butch Reed was bloody amazing in 1984. Reed and Ladd kinda worked this match like the Russians with Ladd as Ivan -- whenever Ladd was in he wouldn't go long before losing advantage. The match was designed to showcase Reed and it achieved that superbly. ***3/4

I liked that match too: Speaking of good Dory performances, Loss, I'm glad you also liked the 03/30/81 match in Memphis vs. Lawler. I gave that A- and it might be the best I've seen Dory. It's between him there and him in the 8/31/83 tag match vs. Hansen / Gordy and 10/9/81 singles match vs. Brody, on which you seem a bit lukewarm. I'm interested to see how you get on with that tag match when you get there, I had it at #4 for All Japan, recall some people really taking against it. Can't sleep so might get back into my own 80s viewing.