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I'll second the Sheamus match from Extreme Rules.

Cena's 'rana was botched, but that was a pretty good match. I agree there was little selling. That was the type of match Punk should have lost the title in, with guys busting out power bombs and piledrivers and shit.

Just watched this match last week based on Parv's recommendation, and yeah, it's really, really good. Matt summed up the whole multiple stories going on aspect pretty well. Awesome. A really underrated classic tag match.

vs Owen Hart, Mania X.

Now that you mention it, cutting the play by play of matches is a good idea and probably the best way to streamline the show down to the essentials.

Great stuff, El Boricua. I've been working my way through this feud lately, but boy did I screw things up based on blindly guessing the order of the matches.

I'll second the tag match vs the Rockers from Mania VII.

1. Clash 6--The extra time allows this match to hit another level that puts it slightly ahead of the other two. 2. Chi-Town--Great, great match, with the feel good ending of Steamboat finally winning the big belt. 3. Wrestle War--For me, less memorable than the other two for some reason, but still amazing.

Quick question: I've been slowly working my way through the Hansen/Colon feud. I've watched the 86 matches. There are three 87 matches--a regular match, this Bullrope match, and a Cage match. Which is the blow-off? The Bullrope or the Cage?

You could start with this one http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?showtopic=11633

The title change was on All-Star Wrestling, taped in London, Ontario 9/24/84, aired 10/13/84. Short match with Tito selling the knee injury from the outset. The 8/25/84 match at MSG is where the knee was injured. The 1/21/85 MSG match is very good and the 3/17/85 Lumberjack match is fun. Actually, you should watch the whole History of the IC title CHV from that link if you have the time. It tells a good story of the Valentine-Santana feud, has the clips of the Santana-Muraco title change, and the story of the earlier Muraco-Morales IC feud is pretty good as well.

Fucked up the post. Read the next one.

Well, off comes the mask... I'm Kelly, 35, born in Saskatchewan, raised in Calgary, live in Vancouver. Stumbled upon wrestling during the hype for Mania 2 and within months I was pretty hardcore for a 8-9 year old, watching everything I could (WWF, Stampede, AWA), collecting the mags and LJN WWF dolls, and proudly wearing a Roddy Piper shirt around school. My favorite time as a wrestling fan was the early-90s when I was in high school and wrestling was extremely uncool, but me and my closest friends still loved it. We went to a bowling alley/casino (the Silver Dollar Action Centre) to watch WWF PPVs on closed circuit, attended local shows together (Rocky Mountain Wrestling), and had a backyard wrestling thing going on (I was "Mr. Excellence" Ricky Jackson). Late-90s I followed WWF and WCW of course, but also bought several ECW tapes from RF. By 2001 I was pretty much done with wrestling. Got back into it in 2005 when I moved to the west coast and fell into the habit of watching Raw with my roommate. Around 2007 I started getting into the history of wrestling pretty heavy, became friends with a guy who had a sub to the Observer, and started to watch old Japan and lots of territory stuff. Discovered PWO totally by accident--I was reading a review of a random 93 WCW PPV on the 411 site, a poster in the comments section mentioned this site, I checked it out, and I instantly gave my wife another reason to bitch about me wasting time on wrestling. I was raised a WWF guy, but I'm into all sorts of wrestling, mostly pre-90s stuff. Love Memphis, old Japan, and anything from the 70s and early 80s. There is tons of stuff I plan on watching, but I often find it hard to motivate myself to watch a substantial amount of wrestling alone. I love watching wrestling with fellow fans and other people, and right now I only know one other wrestling fan where I live, and I only see him once in a blue moon these days. I do have a plan to really commit myself to watching a lot of the pimped stuff from this board and other stuff like 1970s Portland, starting today actually. This board is really fun and very humbling. In "real life" I've always been the wrestling expert, the biggest fan in any group. Here, I'm just another guy who has watched a lot of WWF. Favorite wrestlers: Savage, Flair, Bret Hart (just because I'm Canadian ), Steamboat, Santana, Piper, Backlund, Dusty Rhodes, Lawler, Jake Roberts and many others.

Now that's surprising. I though you hated Kroffat. But yeah, Kroffat would be in my top 10 for sure. I'm guessing you guys mean Phil LaFon and not the 1970s Stampede babyface with the same name. Too bad there is next to no footage of John Tolos in his prime to judge how good he was as a heel.

After all these years, I still vividly remember Martel selling the pain from Fuji throwing salt in his eyes from the match where him and Garea lose the belts on the old history of the tag team championship CHV. As a kid, his sell job scared the shit out of me and I was convinced he was legit blinded. Here it is

I've always been a Martel fan, in all his incarnations. The "Model" is one of my all-time favorite heel characters.

There is just something about Santino that appeals to women. In all the years my wife has put up with me watching wrestling in her presence, Santino and Carlito are the only guys she has cared about.

Yep. It was a standing ovation, and I don't think they anticipated that reaction because they cut away pretty quickly. The roof is going to blow off MSG when he walks on the stage.

Breaking news from Dave:

I was just thinking, is there any footage at all of Harley teaming with Larry Hennig?

Haha work with me here. Slaughter v. Piper, Orndorff, Orton would have been some cool stuff in '85(especially loved Orndorffs wrestling at the time, and Piper was in his absolute prime) Slaughter v. Andre The Giant @ Mania 3 doesn't quite have the same charm, but I really think the badass Marine babyface champion could have drawn some big $, of course nothing could have touch the "golden goose" Hogan in the 80's. But I'm thinking some alternative universe stuff here. Here's the Slaughter What If thread from last year http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?showtopic=15405

The only difference would have been Hogan showing up on WWF TV in early 84 with the AWA belt.

We all joke about wrestlers exaggerating and saying they wrestled 500 times a year, but on 3/18/89 Flair wrestled, in Philly and Landover, two 30 minute + matches with Steamboat and a tag match with Windham vs Luger and Gilbert that went 17:48.

Overall, I wouldn't say Shoemaker is bitching in the article about Punk losing the title or the Mania booking plans as much as is he is arguing Vince took all of the interesting storyline developments of the past 5 months and tossed them out the window on Monday. Specifically, the reveal that the Shield and Maddox were in cahoots with Heyman and Punk all along. Personally, I was hoping Heyman and Punk were a red herring and that someone else was behind the Shield and Maddox, if only because by having the storyline go on for so long, doing the obvious reveal was a letdown. And the whole "turn off the camera--OK, I trust that it's off, now I can reveal my masterplan" bit was pretty lazy writing IMO.

The comments about Scott motivated me to do a little research. According to Slam! (http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBiosS/sc...ge_wwf-can.html--a series of interviews with Scott that may also shed some light on his 89 WCW booking stint) Scott quit the WWF and wasn't fired. He had problems with the rampant drug abuse in the company and clashed with Hogan over it, in particular when Hogan allowed some "unsavoury characters" to hang around backstage at an MSG show, which led to a "big argument" between the two. Piper isn't mentioned as being someone who had problems with Scott, but Hogan definitely was, and apparently a lot of his problems with Scott, besides the drug stuff, stemmed from wanting to make sure his buddies were pushed or at least given spots on the roster and Scott resisting. And in the end, Scott claims it was burnout from the workload that led to his departure in 86 more than anything. Edit: It looks like the interviews only cover his time as booker in 70s Mid-Atlantic and 80s WWF.