Garbage

I watched this two years ago and actually didn't think it was as good as the match I saw from them in 91. For me to think that same way now I'd pretty much have to think that one is a classic, because I just loved this. Yeah, Liger was excellent with the rib selling and he just went the extra mile every time he'd try to pull off a move. Loved loved loved the surfboard prevention, and every one of Liger's highspots came off as a spring of hope to get control of the match. Just awesome wrestling.

I was really, really into this. I really do like the "sportiness" of puro, but when you have two gaijins act liked dicks to get the crowd riled up and firmly behind the Asians, it adds a lot. I was smiling like a kindergarten teacher at this one woman in the crowd who was shaking her fists and clapping with joy whenever Kikuchi or Kawada would get some momentum. Kroffat looked like the best wrestler in the world.

I assumed he meant the first HIAC. Dunno why, maybe the '(bad) blood' part. EDIT- Shawn and Trip had a god-awful Boot Camp match at Tribute to the Troops in 2005. Might be the worst match they had together which is sort of saying something.

Glacier/Ernest Miller v Mortis/Wrath from Bash at the Beach 97. I don't think I will ever see the stars align for a match with four more random dudes in it than this. SUPERKICK ON A CHAIR INTO A HEAD NEXT TO THE STEEL POST. Seriously an awesome sprint and it needs to be on the '97 yearbook.

To someone who thinks Dustin wasn't anywhere near Michaels' level (and that's seen the Dustin I really love), I can only say different strokes. I'm not even sure I'd take Dustin over Michaels, but to say "you hurt your case" when bringing Dustin's name up or mentioning how well he was received at the time is pretty silly. Keiji Mutoh got really high rankings in the 1992 Most Outstanding awards IIRC, and I think for the most part the guy is a boring lump and someone like Larry Zbyszko absolutely demolishes him so much that it isn't funny, to the point where it actually becomes funny again.

This might be a "who gives a shit" sort of thing, but what's the deal with Super Delfin's name? Reading the katakana I think it reads as "Spell Delfin." 0:26 Delfin's name in blue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1n7Mg55VUs "スペル デルフィン" "スペル" = su-pe-ru - "spell" Super Tiger @ 1:37: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE_nRlOm7vU "スーパー タイガー" "スーパー" = suu-paa - "super"

I watched all Dustin/Rudes I could find from 93 earlier this month and thought they were all just pretty good. Kind of fell under the category of matches in 1993 WCW I thought could have been a lot better (Steamboat/Regal, Arn/Regal, Flair/Rude, Dustin/Windham, Austin/Dustin, Austin/Pillman...)

Agree with this for sure. I think it was done better with Michaels/Taker than some other examples I can think of, but anything that has the sort of mentality of having a great match instead of trying to win can be bothersome. I was watching 2002 ROH recently and I wanted to kick the shit out of the dude commentating whenever he said "match of the year candidate" or "legendary series of matches."

His match with Bossman in December 93 on Saturday Night was a great performance from Rude. Maybe the best I have ever seen from him. I've heard really good things about that from others, of course I thought it was 1992. Think I'll watch that tonight. Which one did you think was great? --- Another guy that springs to mind for this, and I'll totally admit I might be missing something, but I've never seen anything from Ohtani outside of 1996 I thought was really great. The top 5 Ohtani matches I've seen are all from 96. I didn't really like the Liger match from 97 a year and a half ago, but I won't use present tense to say "I don't like it" because I probably really was missing something then. And you know what? I'll say '96 Akiyama as well.

I've always seen Rick Rude's 1992 to be so incredibly ahead of anything else he did that it's kind of surprising. Maybe I'm missing something (or multiple somethings), but other than the Warrior carry I don't remember any Rude match outside of '92 being one of his better matches or performances. Also, call me crazy, but I really don't think Cena ever came remotely close to his 2007. I can be persuaded to think otherwise if someone shows me the right stuff; I'll admit I'm pretty ignorant on his 2009.

Where do people stand on Michaels v Inoki?

Right now, I think yeah, he'd make my top 100. No clue where. There's way too many guys I've watched too little of that I would say COULD look better than Michaels if I watched a lot of their career. Wahoo and Martel come to mind. Almost every Joshi woman ever applies to that too, except I've seen enough Aja Kong to know I'd put her above Shawn pretty easily. There's guys who I've seen more than enough of but still wouldnt be able to get a definite 'yes' from. Like right now I don't know where I'd stand on Michaels v Pillman or Dustin Rhodes. On 96- I thought he was the best US guy that year, but he wouldn't make my overall top 10. I thought Regal was probably the #2 US wrestler. Anybody here that thinks Shawn's 94 (or some other year) is better than his 96?

Anybody who included the Big Gold Belt- any reason for not including Benoit?

Isn't this 'guy with so much passion and pure understanding of this sport' the same piece of shit who left a Twitter message saying wrestling was grown men pretending?

I love a lot of Regal's WCW run, but their are *some* disappointments. Never huge on the 93 Arn match, but I really like SuperBrawl. Steamboat matches are all good, but I know a lot of people who rate the Fall Brawl higher than I do. Love love love the 9/93 ten minute they had, though. Love it. The WCWSN Zbyszko match is insanely great. Slamboree is just regular great. Clash one is good. Has other really good stuff sprinkled in his run with Terry Taylor, Johnny B. Badd, the Patriot, etc.

Guess I'm the only one here who really loved Arn/Josh, then? Nikita was pretty passable for me in 1992 WCW, but I really liked the thing where he might backstab everyone come WarGames. Not sure how many other guys they could have plugged into that role at the time.

I think everybody missed this. I'm not 100% sure myself what the exact criteria this is based on, though.

I haven't seen a ton of Mascaras, but whatever I've seen from the 70s is typically good. The Destroyer matches are extroadinary and I don't remember thnking they were remotely Destroyer carry jobs. Kind of seems like Mascaras became the biggest grouch in the history of wrestling come 1982 or something and just shrugs everything off he deems unnecessary. Which includes his opponents' offense.

Was this before or after that? Anyone know? -- On Cole: Yeah, I watched Raw and how bad he is is actually shocking. Who's idea was it to keep him employed for this long? Probaby the worst non-indy commentator ever.

I've never seen (heard, I guess) Tony to be a guy to bring up history. When Tenay pulls some fact out of his hat Tony would just chime in with "I was there when it happened!" but not really....know anything about it. I watched Judgment Day 2000 yesterday and Ross randomly name drops Dick Murdoch when someone uses a brainbuster. He also called a cross armbreaker a Fujiwara armbar. *boos* Tony definitely gives you more of a vibe that what he's saying about the past is already scribbled on his notes by the WCW Higher-Ups.

I don't get the hate for 'control segment'. it's not really a Wrestling Term, but it's a segment where a guy is in control of the match. 'Psychology'. That term needs to be renamed in a hurry.

His tag team with Murdoch is one of my favs. v Samoans 6/16/84 v Briscos 12/28/84 v Fujinami/Inoki 12/84 that's the best stuff from them I've seen, I think. Never seen the Backlund matches, but I know some folk that think the 1/18/82 is like a top ten WWE match ever.

The only thing Cody Rhodes has over Drew McIntyre is last name and WWEs insistence on pushing second/third generation guys. Drew is better in every way, and even had a better match with Christian recently with no storyline on the C Show. I think it was Dylan who said something about Cody one time that I realised applied to me as well- he's won me over a couple of times, but then just falls completely out of interest. Like I'm disappointed whenever he starts getting boring because there were multiple weeks I'd warm up to the guy. Drew is just fifteen stages of awesome all the time, and I thought the Christian match on Superstars was better than anything on this show.

Hopefully, but I'm seeing a bunch of possible Be A Star promos and Santino/Ricardo Cobra Sock on a Pole matches. Honestly if they want to make guys even somewhat meaningful, they might want to reform a tag team division that consists of more than random dudes being paired up with a manager that has to do all the talking for them. Even the tag teams they have now, they've done literally nothing to build them; crowd were dead a shit when A.W. (A.W? the FUCK is A.W!?) turned on the Colons and went with the NXT guys. Ten years ago you had Booker T and Goldust doing amazing skits and the crowd loved them. I'm no defender of 2002 WWE, but even looking back THEN...kinda depressing that so much of these shows are filler. Gotta have squash matches on these PPVs to fill time, FFS. If they couldn't hold my attention for a three hour PPV then there's less than 10% chance of them holding my attention for 3 hour Raws. Probably just do what I should always do and wait for people to say 'Henry and Punk was good tonight' and just watch that.

I was bored senseless for most of the show. I actually thought as well they should definitely at least attempt to give Dolph a face run, and Cody.....eh. No clue how his father is Dusty Rhodes. Absolutely no clue. If they both didn't share the mega-lisp and those kind of eyes that looked like they've been punched, I'd swear there is no relation. Cody's the most boring thing I've ever seen. I can't fathom why anybody in the back looks at Cody, then looks at Drew McIntyre and think Rhodes is more deserving of a spot higher on the card. thee-way was fine, but hopefully Punk and Bryan can do something....else. Without Kane. I kind of like AJ's involvement, but I'm giving this "Thinking Without Your Penis" thing a shot, so they can do without her as well.