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I don't understand why other wrestlers' opinions are even brought up in this way of thinking. Bret Hart said the Dynamite Kid is the greatest of all time and that Ric Flair wasn't that good. Why on Earth would I change my opinion based on that? I watched 90s WWF Flair and thought he still looked really great. I watched 80s NJ Dynamite Kid and wanted to turn it off. I'm not going to think during it 'well Bret Hart loves this, so......' And I won't reconsider placing Flair in a top 5 all time because Bret has problems with his formula. Hell, some of the things a wrestler looks for in another wrestler is a bit of the opposite that a fan can look for. I recall Bret complaining that Flair's chops hurt too much. I, as a fan, would actually want him to work stiffer. If I was a wrestler I'd want my opponent to work stiffer as well. Some wrestlers that aren't Bret Hart also would. Then there's complete BS like Bret Hart saying 'Mexican wrestlers fly around but aren't really tough'. The bloodiest brawls I've seen in wrestling happened in Mexico. No and none at all. Sorry but I'll take a Wrestler's opinion over a fans a lot of the time. They worked in the industry and breathed it. Their opinion carries more weight than a bunch of guys overanalyzing and overthinking the room on message boards. Can I ask what this means? I've read it from so many people so many time and it's always been really annoying. I've never understood what people meant by it. What are people overanalysing? The 'contrarian' point is just as annoying but I at least know what that means.

No joke, around ten minutes ago I posted a thought on another forum saying Chuck Taylor is probably my least favourite human to ever exist. I just really, really fucking loathe him.

I fucking hate Vampiro.

After finishing the 96 yearbook I didn't think Flair was top 75 in the world that year. If I actually looked through the listing and named wrestlers I actually kinda doubt he'd be a top 100. I mean that set is a better collection of matches than any I might ever see again, some stuff from 96 was even left off of it, and 96 is one fucking stacked year in general. Still, Flair had some good matches in 96 and that was it. The Giant matches were fun as hell. I liked all the Savage matches other than the impossibly boring cage match. His match with Eddy on 5/20 is your Flair MOTY and they had another good match at Hog Wild. Bits and piece of good and honestly my favourite promo man of 96, but I think it's clear by that point he wasn't 'THE Ric Flair' any more.

I actually sort of prefer Japanese wrestlers that aren't as emotive as others. Something about the Misawas and Kawadas and Taues and Tenryus just makes me pay more attention to them than a guy like Kobashi who clearly has more showmanship. When the announcer says 'Misawa Mitsuharu' Misawa just puts his hand in the air while warming up. Kobashi will hold his wrist, looking like he's in anticipation of the announcer saying 'Kobashi Kenta', then Kobashi will throw his fist in the air and have a certain look on his face. I can't exactly say why but the less enthusiastic guys have something about them I prefer. Tenryu is great because he's usually in that mood of "doesn't matter who this guy is, I'll just break his nose. Whatever. I don't give a shit." They all use the perfect facials for the right times and I'd say they all have a certain charisma, but I love their stoicism and how it stands out in a profession where people tend to needlessly yell their head off like a Super Saiyan. I get that the yelling and the 'fire' can get people into it more, but I look those stoic guys and think they're badass.

Ooh fuck. Lance Storm. I think I dislike him more than I should because he has this incredibly bizarre following of being a technical marvel, but even if everyone in the world didn't like him I couldn't bring myself to. Man I cannot stand 98% of the Lance Strom I've sat through. Where did he even get this 'master of his craft' label in the first pace? At least someone like the Dynamite Kid did some moves and stuff to where that type of moves-y fan would point and say 'look at THAT! A Bridging Whatever Suplex Piledriver Deluxe!'. I don't remember any instance where Lance Storm appears to be more of a technical mat wizard or guy with a more stacked moveset than John Cena.

Arn/Vader v SNS is from the 4/24/95 Saturday Night. It's a pretty awesome tag and even if not saying all that much, it's probably a WCW MOTYC for 95.

Mick Foley yelling 'WahDeh' every time he throws a punch.

Shit, where did Truth get that injury? I don't remember any spot in the match where that could have possibly happened. They were very clearly chanting 'we want Ryder'. There were 'woo woo woo's in there too.

I've never really gotten why people hate Kane's top rope clothesline. It's not something I like at all, but people seem to rat on it a lot as one of the worst things in wrestling. It's like HHH holding the head when he punches. If anything the worst thing about HHH's punches is he yells 'DOOHJ' on every one.

I'm pretty sure the guy actually takes them down himself when someone dislikes his videos or something. He turns it into a Jesse Ventura conspiracy channel or something.

I really, really want to see this.

A music video for a really, really shitty song has a bunch of people wearing Atlantis masks.

I've always thought 'most outstanding' was basically the worker of the year. 'Best technical' is basically 'best mat wrestler' to me. Steve Austin would be the worker of the year for 2001, but wasn't better on the mat/' as technically sound' than someone like Low Ki. I don't really agree with any of it and haven't used 'technical wrestler' to describe anybody for a long time, but that's what my interpretation's of it has been.

Nobuhiko Takada v Akira Maeda (UWF 10/11/88) Yoji Anjoh v Masa Funaki (UWF 6/14/89) Masa Funaki v Tatsuo Nakano (UWF 7/24/89) Kiyoshi Tamura v Volk Han (RINGS 9/25/96, 1/22/97, 9/26/97) Kiyoshi Tamura v Yoshihisa Yamamoto (RINGS 9/21/98) these, to me, felt like really big 'epic' fights. The kind of primer a person could use as an introductory and not really having to worry about 'getting' the story or anything. They just felt exciting off of the bat. I don't have any Fuiwara there which feels kind of odd but maybe I'm just forgetting something. I think he's far and away the greatest shoot style wrestler of all time, but he's always been a 'you have to get him/get the story' sort of wrestler to me. I'd say a match like Fujiwara v Yusuke Fuke 2/24/92 could be a good introductory since the story is (or should be) really easy to 'get'. A lot of Fujiwara's appeal are his subtleties which not everyone will give a shit about.

I can't help but think this "who can go in NOW!?" thinking wouldn't exist if six thousand people weren't inducted the first year. I won't pretend to know more than I do (which is practically nothing), nor will I argue candidacy for or against anybody, but there seems to be a lot of wrestlers getting on the ballot who people think are a stretch. I don't know if having only ten go in in 96 would have saved the HOF of a divisive inductee like Angle or Ultimo, but they probably would have been considered much later, right?

Depends on definition of 'great', but I'd say this is a really great match, the best Orton match ever, the best or second best of 2006 SmackDown (which was excellent), a top 5 SmackDown match ever in general, the best Mysterio match in a year where Mysterio was probably a top three in the world, and probably the second best match of Mysterio's entire WWE run. I have some reservations about saying that but I have none calling it great. 1/13/06 v Benoit is something I reckon I'd call 'great' as well. Orton was really good at making all of Chris' signatures seem really dangerous.

I could have sworn Liger used the SSP in his debut match (as Liger) in 89 v Nogami or whoever it was.

Agreed with everything said about Ron Wright. If WWE are going to use Jerry Lawler's heart attack on TV they should just turn him heel and give him a 1992 Ron Wright character.

I used to know a guy who wrote "ric fleir" because he didn't like Flair and thought 'Flair' didn't deserve proper spelling or something.

Wow, KANE was taken into consideration?

I'd have him top 15, I think.

I've always wondered what it'd be like if it were the other way around. What if Jerry Lawler and Genichiro Tenryu were consensus picks Great of All Times for decades and Ric Flair and Jumbo Tsuruta were only being talked as such since 2008 (or whenever IDK)? I'm not saying or implying at all that Flair and Jumbo would be far more favourable and Lawler and Tenryu would take a back seat, but I think you can slot practicably anyone in that "Been pimped as GOATC for decades" list and they would fall in favour since due to possible over-exposure. New discoveries are exciting. Part if me think some of it IS kind of over-exposure. I don't know if I would have this incredible disdain for Kurt Angle if nobody thought he was great, or a GOATC, with some saying crap like "No Angle on your list means no credibility" or "Angle by far best in ring ever" or w/e. Maybe I'm wrong. But that kind of thing can do that to me. I remember a time years ago when I guy I knew kind of wouldn't shut up about Owen Hart and Brian Pillman. I agreed at first, but his talk would eventually kind of bug me and I lost sight of how good those two actually were. I didn't really want to watch them and looked at Arn Andersons and Bobby Eatons who were newer to me. OJ's saying "this guy being viewed as awesome is kind of boring" and even though I haven't read the wrestlewebs for THAT long, I see where he's coming from. If I made a greatest of all time list, the top three would probably Kawada, Flair and Misawa. It sounds boring and it probably is. But............ at the end of the day there isn't anybody I've seen yet I think is better. It probably won't stay like that forever. Lawler > Flair, Funk > Flair, Hansen > Flair, Fujiwara > Misawa, Fujiwara > Kawada don't look odd to me, I just don't agree (yet..? Maybe). I'unno.