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Hell half of the matches he listed for Shawn aren't even very good. And some of the good ones don't show that good a Michaels performance at all.

Anything with La Parka in it.

WHAT IS IT!? I don't want to throw the thread of track, but..... I'm genuinely excited at the prospect of really good Kamala. I seemingly like the Andre cage more than anybody else. On the subject of Demolition, WWE's tag team DVD from 2009 or 2010 has a Dems/Bees match that I really, really liked when I first watched it. I've never found Demolition to be particularly good or bad either way. I was always more apathetic to the Hart Foundation matches than most people.

Cena laps Angle to me. I've been watching a lot of Angle's 2001 peak recently, and even that, which stuff I didn't really like THAT much to begin with, hasn't held up. I haven't watched the two "big" Austin matches yet, but they had a really good match in January that I saw as pretty much an Austin carry. The worst Angle in 2001 is unbearable. I will never watch any match he had with Shane McMahon ever again. I'm way lower on Cena than a lot of people are and he wouldn't cross my mind if I were listing a top 100, but year after year the hits keep coming with the guy.

I have no idea how it holds up, but Shawn's the main man in the Survivor Series 2003 tag. Spends the meat of the match bleeding and playing the FIP and takes the losing pinfall. He and Trip are the main players in the 2006 tag (none of the face team even get eliminated IIRC), but it's not something to point to as a memorable Michaels performance the way the 2003 might be. He sure as shit isn't the guy to look at in the awesome 4/12/04 tag.

My point was it was too long since I've seen them so I wouldn't be counting them in the Michaels' Best v Sting's Best. Watching them way back when, I never thought where I'd rank them on a top Michaels matches list and remember jack shit about them. I rated Michaels pretty comfortably ahead of Sting and was giving Sting the benefit of the doubt for not including them, I'd think. On next watch I could think they're Shawn's best stuff, who knows.

That's just the thing, a lot of people here don't think Shawn's had many classic matches, and that the best Sting is better than the best Michaels. I don't think I agree with that; I'm a ridiculous Mind Games fan and would name it a classic and shove it ahead of any Sting match, but to me the best Sting match is the strap with Vader and I honestly don't think it' that far behind it. I still love the first HIAC and would probably rate it the #2 Michaels match, but I'd be iffy on deciding if it was better than the second best Sting/Vader or WarGames '92. I'd put the strap match over the HIAC easily, tbh. I haven't watched the Rockers/Rose & Somers stuff in a while so I'm kind of disqualifying that for now. I'm probably going to post a list of guys and gals I'd rate above Shawn some time in this thread. Maybe. I'm a wrestling fan, we all say we'll do something and then never actually do it. Sting won't be there. Shit I'd definitely rate Michaels ahead of Sting, but to think otherwise....I don't see why it's an out there opinion. ------ Side-request: whoever's going to list matches to check for a guy, can someone do Eric Embry?

I've got this on every Han v Dude I Don't Like match I've watched. There's been some guys I've seen him up against that annoyed the living shit out of me that I thought Han totally carried them to what was usually a very good and competitive match. I got the impression these other guys would be the kind of shoot wrestlers to lay on the floor with an armbar doing nothing if Han wasn't literally as good at making the match look legit as any wrestler I'll ever see.

Doink losing was the worst part of the show.

Even when I first got into lucha and was chucking at least ***3/4 at everything I saw that didn't involve Konnan, I didn't love this match. And I still don't love it. Good wrestling, and I wouldn't call it anything skippable, but it feels really mellow for a mask match. There's a mask/hair match from these two on youtube that I'm going to check out, hopefully I'll LOVE that one.

Cornette saying they should put seatbelts on the fat ugly women in the audience in fear that they'll drool all over the camera cables and eletrocute everyone was something that made me thankful for the rewind button. Must have watched that five times and laughed just as much each time.

I watched the two Steiner/Trip matches recently to see if they hold...down... as the bottom-of-the-barrell crap I remember them being. Thoughts I posted: Rumble- So I actually watched H/Steiner, and I'm really, really glad I did. First parts were boring as shit, but once they....um, 'picked it up' (which isn't the right term since it was slow and plodding), it just got legitimately funny. I'm literally telling the honest-to-God 100% truth when I say I laughed at some of the moments in this match. First time was the tombstone reversal which ended in this fucked up stunner/neckbreaker/diamond cutter move which Steiner sold by pretty much falling backwards. Trip nearly fell on top of him and I nearly fell off of my bed in laughter. Just when I'm about to get over that Steiner pretty much trips over while giving Trip the worst butterfly powerbomb thingy of all time. Match was a total mess; I thought they might go a good route when Ric brings Trip to leave the match, but then Steiner comes after them and Ric distracts the ref for Trip to hit Steiner with the belt. Except he didn't and Steiner hits him instead. They should have LET Trip hit Steiner and they should have done it in the first few minutes of a 12 minute match (it went like 20...). Steiner's selling was almost non-existant when Flair got cheapshots in. He was wrestling like a morbidly obese man that belongs on one of those motorised scooters. The both of them looked like shitty trainee wrestlers trying to emulate what they were seeing on TV, and it was just an awful match. But it was fucking hilarious. ****3/4. I'm watching the No Way Out re-match tomorrow. No Way Out- Not as stupidly awesome as the historically shitty Rumble match, but pretty terrible/fantastic in it's own right. Trip has a bandaged leg going in and Steiner wastes little time going for it. Which was stupid. When he fired the first shot HHH backed away and looked like 'oh shit I better watch out,' only for Scotty for pound it for the next two minutes. They could have played a good theme, but I guess Steiner didn't want to waste time and become the wheezing huffing sack he was in the first match. The punches in this....oh Lord the punches. I'm not a guy who really thinks punches can make or break a match (they'd have to be amazing or miss by two feet), but they can certainly add or subtract. And these were the most light and feathery punches you'll ever see. When Trip first goes for the Pedigree Steiner gets out of it and throws the absolute worst one you'll see in some time. I thought it was actually kind if funny. Not as funny as the awkward-as-all-hell top rope....suplex...angle slam...thing. It wasn't even that, Steiner gets Trip in the wrong direction at first then just puts him on his shoulders and tilts backwards. Reminded me of Wile E. Coyote falling on a cliff really slowly while riding a rocket. They actually sort of play off the Rumble match; I didn't mention this when talking about that one, but Trip threw Hebner out of the ring and Hebner refused to DQ him. I can only imagine what people watching it live would have thought. "NOOO!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE.......PLEASE END THIS EARL" They sort of do the same thing here, but the crowd actually boo Hebner, mostly because they're Montrealions (Montrealites.....Montrealicians, Montrealasians, IDK) and are full of hate about the screwjob. Which is ironic since Trip played a bigger part in it than Earl did. Flair calls for Orton and Batista, and no joke, their selling is the best part of either Steiner/HHH match. Orton looked great for those 23 seconds. I thought it was nice that Steiner kicked out when HHH hit him with the belt following that, but there is literally nothing between that and the Pedigree that scores him the win. I don't understand who'd book that or why they did, but sweet ice cream on a cone it can get funny. Just terrible wrestling. Don't expect to find these matches funny like I did.

I liked the one where they said "When Raw debuted, Kim Kardashian was 12 years old, Miley Cyrus was 2 months old, Justin Bieber wasn't even born yet!" I didn't think they could get worse Did You Knows than the 'we got more facebook likes than NFL, Oprah and Pepsi" ones but I think I'm proved wrong.

When I watch wrestling, I sometimes see spots that make me think "If I were a wrestler, I'd probably use that." Kawada pulling out of a headlock and swinging a kick at Kobashi's leg is one of those spots.

I like Kakihara, but watching 30 minutes of him and a guy who was boring me to tears isn't how I want to spend my time. I wanted to like this, but couldn't.

Konnan hasn't been good in anything I've seen him in, but I thought his role was basically perfect here. Cien Caras was awesome, yeah. The constant pull-up pins were such a dickhead move and he looks like the most trailer-park wanker. I want to show this to people who haven't liked lucha. I can't imagine a wrestling fan watching this and not liking it.

Kind of infuriating to see a guy who's pretty much been outed as an compulsive liar beng cheered for these allegations. Graham really was the worst, and the crowd members who know nothing about wrestling were pretty annoying. "It's so.....tacky and sleazy." Well, yeah. I agree with that one.

I'm not going to lie, I don't think I've ever been less invested in a Fujiwara match. The pro-US crowd were really hot for Vale, and it looked like Fujiwara wanted to give him something when Fujiwara would back off, but Vale would just grab him and they'd wind up on the mat. Didn't seem like anything was going on on the mat, either. Just holding each other. Fujiwara being the sort of-foreign heel is something that should have happened a lot more, though.

I cannot explain how spectacular I thought this was. I will track down everything the Viper ever did.

This is the kind of thing you show someone who wants to get into Fujiwara. He really tells the story of the match with his facial expressions and stuff before the match even really gets going. Fuke looked like such the underdog and Fujiwara seemingly got more and more surprised that he wasn't cleaning Fuke's clock as the time went on. Recurring theme with the kicks was perfect and I love that one of them ended the match. Fuke looked disappointed in himself when they were done, and I'm really disappointed there doesn't seem to be a re-match anywhere. Great match.

Wasn't expecting to like this as much as I did. Armstrong was great selling the leg, and Norton's headlock looked really over. I think Muto was yelling while trapped in it at first and I thought that was a really great way to get a headlock over from a guy with massive arms that I don't remember seeing before.

I thought this was an oddly fun angle thingy, and thiis + Horowitz kind of makes me want to seek out full Global shows. That big dude looked kind of shitty, though.

Pretty sure I've never seen heel Horowitz and I was really impressed. All the trash talking and cheating you'd want. If he was in his peak today McMahon would probably want to make him a star.

Sid's promos are coming off way more coherent than I remember them being. I liked this, and the Sid/Hogan thing is built really well, but having Hogan/Flair actually PEGGED as the WWF Title match for Mania then swapping it doesn't leave the greatest taste in my mouth.