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I think this is a great point, and am also interested in the notion that this may be a disadvantage for Flair as as it pertains to discussing rather than ranking workers.
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I'd swipe right. Show the man some love!
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Very much where I was on him as well, as he felt like someone who would've been a top 10-15 lock, but I have no idea if that's based on the best output of his career, the best post-prime anyone's ever had or something in between. One of the biggest question marks for me even with as much footage as we have. Hell of a showing for him.
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Matt, what pre-80s Bockwinkel is available and readily accessible? Would really like to check that out at some point.
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Eddie definitely needs to drop. Madness! I never connected with Steamboat on the same level as those who placed him so highly, but I've always understood what people found so appealing and engrossing about him. A bit surprised there wasn't more discussion about him along the way given the strong and broad support he ended up receiving.
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Yeah there are plenty of wrestlers or styles I haven't ranked because of a lack of exposure (shoot style, some lucha) versus others that just really didn't rank super highly for me (Savage, Lawler, other lucha). Which is probably the case for everyone. Most of us have some blind spots, some more than others. Will fill them in eventually. Or manage to avoid divorce
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Buddy Rose Good call. But I'll still give Arn the nod. William Regal is another one. Regal!! He loses points here though because he'd literally get me laughing with his facials and sometimes make it difficult to flip out of that mode. Just too strong a comedian.
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Sheer madness. What I love about Savage is how he's not someone you'd ever call fast, but is just so damn sudden. The way he'd sling himself over the ropes to the floor, or up to the top turnbuckle. Great 10 yard dash, but horrible 40 yard time. The problem for me when watching him is that in between all of that, and the character work, was downtime. Lots and lots of aimless downtime. Almost like Bad Randy Orton but with a personality. The moments and matches were there, but not a GWE case.
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Buddy Rose Good call. But I'll still give Arn the nod.
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How can you not love John Cena? https://twitter.com/JohnCena/status/725111591713148928 The guy is a good time.
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Mentioned it earlier, but Arn easily ranked highest on my list of anyone who did not have a laundry list of classic MOTYCs, coming in at #16. Beast mentioned it, but who else could flip the switch between assassin-like intensity and comedic stooging that seamlessly from moment to moment, much less match to match? Some will say Terry Funk, I'll say no one. Whether a squash or a brawl, he brought interest and intensity to everything he touched. THE ENFORCAH!
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One Night Stand is a great Taker match. I actually loved the Survivor Series match as well. Thought it was heading in a MOTY direction. The Austin rematch at IYH was damn good as well.
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Because every one of us wants our guys to rank where WE ranked them. And we'll go the mattresses if they don't Its just something to talk about.
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1) Flair 2) Hansen 3) Funk 4) Bryan 5) Liger 6) Kawada 7) Tenryu 8) Rey 9) Misawa 10) Kobashi
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Nice edit, Ron Burgandy.
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Not familiar with cobcebsys so can't comment on that. No reason to use such language. A point was raised that the actual, comprehensive list might reflect a consensus that does not reflect those who are regularly involved at PWO. That's possible. It might also not be accurate. But it doesn't suggest that such a lit would necessarily reflect merely a few people. Its a thought. You don't have to lose your cool over people having alternative ideas or suggestions or hypotheticals.
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Why does it need to be one extreme or the other?
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Next thing you know I'd hear from my coworkers how you're a murderer. So much for the rasslin' fan cornering the insanity market in this office.
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Pouring out a little sake for the homie Fujinami. Far & away made the biggest jump of anyone over the course of this process for me, as coming in I knew rep & 1991 WCW. That was it.
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Uh huh. Try watching a TNA show in full or some a Styles / Joe match in isolation. Very possible you'll want the entire thing to go away by the time you reach the match or later in the show. Whereas if you watch the match in isolation it wont be subjected to that baggage. All that matters are your preferences and what you can make time for.
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That's all that matters. Lot of complaining, head shaking, and bewilderment -- on my part as well -- but at the end of the day its about the journey for all of us. Hopefully one that hasn't concluded and sees our own individual list as a rest stop.
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My view from the beginning is that the list that mattered then and now is my list, and would hope others view things the same way. Would already change a few things there on the back end, but I like most of the top quite a bit based on what I have / haven't viewed. I think the best thing that can be said about the "comprehensive" list is that no one seems thrilled with it. Seriously.
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I definitely voted Casas well below his average and almost assuredly where he'd rank if I'd seen enough of him. But I haven't seen enough of him. Hell of a fan club he has. I don't quite want to say I "don't get" lucha but something there doesn't click the way it should yet, as there are highly touted matches or wrestlers that won't move the needle for me at all. Casas always does, but we're at the point where he's a tremendously consistent worker in my eyes, but has yet to have those classics that jump off the screen at me, other than the Dandy match in '92. In many ways that made him analogous to an Arn or Regal when putting together my list, which placed a lot of weight on all-time performances. That's the area where Arn & Regal came up a bit short, but there are always exceptions that prove the rule, and those exceptions are Anderson and Regal. Back to Casas -- I'm looking forward to more. Maybe with a metric ton of similarly consistent good to very good footage (which from everything I've seen and read sounds undeniable) hell skyrocket up my list. Or perhaps none of it will stand out beyond good to very good. But looking forward to it nonetheless.