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Not familiar with cobcebsys so can't comment on that. No reason to use such language. A point was raised that the actual, comprehensive list might reflect a consensus that does not reflect those who are regularly involved at PWO. That's possible. It might also not be accurate. But it doesn't suggest that such a lit would necessarily reflect merely a few people. Its a thought. You don't have to lose your cool over people having alternative ideas or suggestions or hypotheticals.

Why does it need to be one extreme or the other?

Next thing you know I'd hear from my coworkers how you're a murderer. So much for the rasslin' fan cornering the insanity market in this office.

Pouring out a little sake for the homie Fujinami. Far & away made the biggest jump of anyone over the course of this process for me, as coming in I knew rep & 1991 WCW. That was it.

Uh huh. Try watching a TNA show in full or some a Styles / Joe match in isolation. Very possible you'll want the entire thing to go away by the time you reach the match or later in the show. Whereas if you watch the match in isolation it wont be subjected to that baggage. All that matters are your preferences and what you can make time for.

That's all that matters. Lot of complaining, head shaking, and bewilderment -- on my part as well -- but at the end of the day its about the journey for all of us. Hopefully one that hasn't concluded and sees our own individual list as a rest stop.

My view from the beginning is that the list that mattered then and now is my list, and would hope others view things the same way. Would already change a few things there on the back end, but I like most of the top quite a bit based on what I have / haven't viewed. I think the best thing that can be said about the "comprehensive" list is that no one seems thrilled with it. Seriously.

I definitely voted Casas well below his average and almost assuredly where he'd rank if I'd seen enough of him. But I haven't seen enough of him. Hell of a fan club he has. I don't quite want to say I "don't get" lucha but something there doesn't click the way it should yet, as there are highly touted matches or wrestlers that won't move the needle for me at all. Casas always does, but we're at the point where he's a tremendously consistent worker in my eyes, but has yet to have those classics that jump off the screen at me, other than the Dandy match in '92. In many ways that made him analogous to an Arn or Regal when putting together my list, which placed a lot of weight on all-time performances. That's the area where Arn & Regal came up a bit short, but there are always exceptions that prove the rule, and those exceptions are Anderson and Regal. Back to Casas -- I'm looking forward to more. Maybe with a metric ton of similarly consistent good to very good footage (which from everything I've seen and read sounds undeniable) hell skyrocket up my list. Or perhaps none of it will stand out beyond good to very good. But looking forward to it nonetheless.

Apparently I'm on an island here, but the Savage things boggles my mind as much as Bret. It was pretty early on where he was no longer even in consideration for my list. I knew he'd rank well but had no expectation it'd be this high.

Wow -- Casas was top 10 on nearly half of the ballots he placed? Or does the top 10 figure now include top 3 votes?

My podcast with Tim. By the way, that was just the hardest reveal I had to do yet. The 4 people who considered lucha and did not vote for Casas are insane He said solid

Ha, yep, I read it as from 1996 until 2001.

It's not outrage. But how many years was Austin great in the ring? Give him mid-1996 until the Owen injury and 2001. Then give him points for being good to very good for three years in WCW and a few more for inhabiting a larger than life character during the Attitude era. That's it. And even his peak years weren't among the best peak years anybody ever had. Look, I like Austin a lot. As a character, he popped off the screen more than almost anyone in history. He absolutely needs to be on the list. But it's a thin resume in the company he's keeping. Love Austin. But if we're giving him '96 until '01, you then also have a couple monstrous stretches where he wasn't working at all -- late '97 and a full year from 99-00.

Can be much too high on both collective occasions. Memories for the win!

Finally.

You don't know that. No one does. Can't pretend things did or didn't happen. Might change one's perspective or might not. But its a part of history and his legacy.

Sounds like a lot of fun. Would be great to hear someone's first impressions coming at all of this stuff, be it older or foreign material, with zero frame of reference.

Sentimental votes for favorites before people were dissecting things 24/7 online? Who knows. Austin would likely laugh at coming in this high and maybe even tell people they need to watch more wrestling. Podcast gold! Always wondered how people would view Bret's career absent Montreal. What if he just went to Turner without that incredible goodwill?

Bret and Austin are indeed 2 names I'd bump lower from original list. Just really short runs when you look at it, in Hart's case especially if you're giving little or no credit for the Foundation, while Austin was really the biggest star on TV for a few years, but even a long part of that time was spent avoiding putting him in matches. Just incredibly thin. But hey, I can always revise my own list and its fun to think about things in another context after the fact, even this quickly.

Yeah Austin definitely need to go home already.

Cena is one name I had zero expectations for where he'd finish. Could've believed a top 10 finish and just as easily believed him slipping out of the top half. I ranked him at #9 so I'm certainly very high on him, but it is interesting to see what kind of support he had.

That's garbage. Ditch. Same goes for just about everything outside of the last couple years.

Tony Salazar vs. Herodes (3/2/1984) Randomly came across this today as I squeeze in some wrestling before the Curry show. Had never seen either man once before, but was blown away by this. The first fall is very quick and simple with clean, logical action. Second fall sees Herodes adopted by the Andersons as he decides to remove Salazar's arm and even fucking hits a senton backsplash to the arm. Great, basic psychology with a single-minded purpose where everything looks brutal. What's not to love? Again, a very quick fall. Then comes the bloodshed and hopeful quarantining of both men. You've got Herodes posting Salazar and then clawing at his face like an absolute savage, until Salazar turns things around on the outside and opens up Herodes with a bulldog, then bites at his massacred face and spits the blood in the air. Yeah, tell these gents not to go on vacation because of the Zika virus. I dare you. Herodes looks to me like a Mexican Harley Race. He would also make a great penultimate boss in a prison movie who Van Damme or a similar gringo babyface needs to overcome. Except lucha Harley Race happens to throw an awesome tope out of nowhere. With a better finish, it would've been a classic in my eyes. As it is, still an incredible, incredible brawl. I know it'll be sacrilege to many, but I found this much better and more violent than MS-1/Chicana. That's a great match as well, but this bowled me over.