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Ricky Steamboat vs Bobby Eaton - WCW Worldwide 6/4/94 Have these two ever wrestled a 10+ minute match? It would be a crying shame if this is all we got, but still a good match. Steamboat does some fancy armwork to wow the Disney crowd while Tony and Jesse do what would become WCW announcing's favorite pastime talking about what Hogan is doing instead of the match at hand. He had not even wrestled a match yet. Eaton gets a chopblock on Steamboat. In a nice touch, Steamboat sells, but still tries to maintain control by going back to arm work, but one of those sweet Eaton rights and a kneecrusher turn the favor into Eaton. The one weak point is Eaton's leg work just really consists of Eaton hugging Steamboat's leg, but The Dragon sells the hell out of it and even does the knee gives out on a slam attempt to put it over. Eaton hits a right all the way from Sweet Home Alabama to setup the spinning toehold, but Steamboat kicks him into the turnbuckle. Eaton tries to throw some rights, but the Dragon won't be denied and he hits a cross body block from the top for the win. It was a fun little 8 minute match. It is really worth it just to see Steamboat and Eaton finally lock up. **3/4 ----------------------------------------------------- Ricky Steamboat vs Arn Anderson w/Col. Robert Parker & MENG - WCW Main Event 8/21/94 Here is another matchup that was not exploited enough in WCW. I thought this was even better than the Eaton match especially since The Enforcer has some heat on him since he had just aligned with the Studd Stable against The Rhodes Family. Steamboat's arm work here is tighter and more vicious against Arn. I love him taunting Parker before dropping back on the hammerlock scissors. Anderson is also doing a better stooge routine than Eaton was. He has great facial expressions and him asking for timeout never gets old. The spinebuster is such a badass transition move. Anderson zeroes in on the back and Steamboat proves why he is one of the best faces of all time with his selling. Anderson's back work culminates with a Boston Crab and he just lets go, which is a pet peeve of mine. Steamboat starts to mount his comeback with chops while selling the back, but I would have liked a better transition then him just getting up from the Crab going back on offense. Steamboat looks like he is going garner the victory with a top rope cross body, but Parker is distracting the ref. Steamboat gets an O'Connor roll, but MENG kicks Steamboat in the head while the ref is distracted to give Anderson the win. I liked the finish put over the team aspect of the Stud Stable and gives them more momentum. This was a good TV match and I wish we had more Enforcer/Dragon singles matches to go with it. ***
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[1994-03-12-WCW-Saturday Night] Steve Austin vs Ricky Steamboat
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in March 1994
Steve Austin vs Ricky Steamboat - WCW Saturday Night 03/12/94 No. 1 Contender's Match Austin gives his best individual performance up until this point and The Dragon is on form to deliver a great match. I loved the opening chippiness from Austin. It really felt like two men trying to win a match so they could challenge Flair for the title He has really found himself in the ring. He is such a cocky bastard now. You can definitely see that edge he would later exploit to become a megastar. I really had not seen that spark until this match right at the beginning. In his podcast, he loves talking about the opening collar-and-elbow tieup will tell so much about how the way the match will go and think his wristlock and Steamboat's headlock were worked so tight that you knew this was going to be a great match. I thought they spiced up Steamer's headlock well they teased the bridge/backslide sequence and took a left turn back into the headlock. Or when Steamboat goes for his first highspot a crossbody, but Austin uses his own momentum to get a pinfall attempt. The transition to Austin's heat segment was a little vanilla just a headbutt, but the ab stretch had the fans going crazy. Again, they were spicing up the heat segment with great hope spots and cutoffs like Austin's badass spinebuster. Finally they kick into the crazy nearfall finish stretch that is a Steamboat trademark. You will be out of breath just watching these guys. Steamboat tries every pinning predicament in the book, but can't finagle a win. Eventually, Col. Parker in a pure Jack Swagger dumbshit move just interferes triggering the disqualification. I think DQ have their place in the world, but not in a No. 1 Contenders match especially when there will be no return match. They could have had Parker jump The Dragon after the match and then have Steamboat chop Flair by accident. Still, my God, they cut one helluva pace, Austin seems to have finally found himself, but The Dragon would not be denied. ***3/4- 16 replies
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
There should be a wrestling meme that is "Misawa's Elbow has [insert person] like"...then a posted picture of person in pain. Think it would actually be funnier if the person was not a wrestler. But I have none of the photoshopping skills to make this happen. So Misawa's elbow has Kawada like http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lys9w6Y4Ek1r8g8c1o1_500.jpg -
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Superstar Sleeze replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Shinya Hashimoto has the Dome rockin' against Ogawa in a tag match and the bittersweet end of Four Corners of Heaven and Vader are highlighted in these two blog posts... http://ridingspacemountain.blogspot.com/2014/02/rockin-dome-shinya-hashimoto-2000-2002.html http://ridingspacemountain.blogspot.com/2014/03/invader-demise-of-four-corners-of.html Tomorrow, I have my big blowout to cap off 2000-2002 in Japan. -
Definitely. I had both at ****1/4 and in the top 10 through 2002. Projecting out (this is with the rest of decade performing as well as 2000-2002, which is unlikely), you are looking at least Top 40 for both matches if not Top 25 from my rankings.
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Lets see what all hubbub is about William Regal vs Kassius Ohno - WWE NXT 4/10/13 There are wrestlers who when they are in a match it just becomes their match and it forces their opponent out of their comfort zone. When you watch a Regal match, you can't help but gravitate towards his performance. When I watch a Flair match, it is actually a pretty difficult for me to evaluate the opponent's performances sometime because Flair just does so much stuff. It is even harder for me in a Regal match because of how commanding he is in the ring. You will wrestle a Regal match. The only Chris Hero (he is Kassius Ohno for those of us who have trouble keeping up with the name changes as I know I do) matches I have are the live ones from ROH. To fully appreciate this match, I think I would need to have a better feel for Ohno/Hero. He did what he need to have a very great match. He zeroed in on his body part and he sold his body part well and uniquely. However, a similar complaint that I have with Cesaro at times (Cesaro isn't as bad and has more crowd-pleasing spots), he wrestles like no one is watching. There is just no interaction. Besides making some awful "mean", "intense" faces, there was just nothing. The manufactured intensity just feels so late 90s Nu Metal. It is lame. What makes it worse for Ohno is you have Regal giving a friggin' Emmy winning performance selling dazed and confused when he is on defense and I am going to fucking rip your fingers off when he is on offense. I wanted to get that out of the way because it is something that has been bothering me at times watching the WWE and watching the praise it gets. It still can feel too manufactured and sanitized. It is too damn self-aware is the real problem. Not to go off too much on a tangent, but I just watched the Wyatts/Shield from this past RAW in Chicago and for the first time since I can remember wrestling just seemed like wrestling. It did not feel self-aware, everything happened because two teams of three were trying to win a match. I am not saying every match has to be a chaotic, thrilling brawl where Rollins flies all over the fuckin place, Ambrose is an awesome lunatic and Reigns is Superman Punching bitches out of the sky, I am saying that WWE seems to be getting back to wrestling with interesting characters that motivated to win not have great matches. In this match, I think Regal proved you can have a very sound, "low-fi" match that can be a great match, but he just did not have the right partner to take this to all-time classic level. We should all thank our lucky stars that they did not make Brad Maddox a color commentator. Apparently, this is not just a teacher versus student feud, this is a blood feud, but they don't really explain the personal element. Regal's shine was really well-done. He worked the mat convincingly. He threw in a fun spot I love where he is jawing with the ref while mule kicking his opponent in the corner. Just tremendous. Ohno gets a knee lift to turn the tide and a baseball slide to the head to cement his advantage. Thus begins the first part of the psychology, Ohno is going after Regal's equilibrium and follows up repeatedly with kicks to the temple. Regal breaks out of his full nelson like anybody who has been kicked in the temple, he is pretty pissed and proceeds to try to rip Ohno fingers from their sockets. Additional psychology points because Ohno's finisher is a cravat thus finger strength is essential to the move. This is one segment, I thought Ohno really excelled was selling here. You have to verbal sell during finger psychology and he did. Finger are like eyes people just don't want those things fucked with. I am guessing Ohno is double jointed in his fingers, but that did not make it any less gruesome when he popped them in out of place. Double jointed people still give me the heeby jeebies. Ohno is able to create space by attacking Regal's head a lot. I did appreciate the laser focus on Regal's head especially the kick against the post and stomp on his head. Ohno sold the inability to apply the cravat well. Regal was giving a master class in selling in there. I don't think I have ever seen someone sell "the lights are on, but no one is home" as well as that. Discombobulated Regal still manages to throw Hero, but elbows to the head rock him on the Regal stretch attempt. Regal, on instincts, kicks out of a back drop driver and a big boot to head (great false finish). Hero goes for the Roaring Elbow, but Regal catches him first and hits a knee lift to head to win, which is a great payback spot. This is a great fundamentals match that features one of the all-time great Regal performances in terms of offense, selling and ring generalship. I am a sucker for body part psychology and thought each guy sold his body part well and uniquely. Ohno's performance lacked inspiration is my one quibble in a fantastic match. ****1/2 Am I the only one that liked Cesaro/Zayn III more than this match? It is nip and tuck, but I'd put Cesaro/Zayn over this.
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Top 100 WWE Matches of 2013
Superstar Sleeze replied to Jimmy Redman's topic in Publications and Podcasts
I wanted to know all the Shield matches I needed to watch because I literally only watch RAW (not even PPVs). Excellent resource for that. Thanks you so much. -
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Superstar Sleeze replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Finished my first installment on my Triple H series. It is not as tight as I want it to be, but that may be because I don't have all the data I need to draw my conclusions yet. Still I set down my hypothesis and feelings going into the match. Hell, there was actually one very good Triple H match in 1999 it was of course fellow Kliq buddy, X-Pac. I have always enjoyed that match. http://ridingspacemountain.blogspot.com/2014/03/my-time-rise-of-hhh-wwf-1999.html -
Finish up 2000 All Japan and I will be ready to move onto 2003-2004 (I cheated a bit and already watched 3/1/03 since the 11th anniversary was this past Saturday. Spoiler: Just as fucking amazing as I remembered). Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi - Champions Carnival 4/11/00 The point of interest in this bout is how Misawa works on top for most of the match. For a wrestler with as much offense as Misawa, you would expect him to work on top more often, but I have seen mostly work from underneath. Though I have found the wrestler who works underneath in Japan most likely wins thus since he won a lot it may have necessitated him working underneath. Reinforcing that conjecture is of course, Kobashi did win over arch-nemesis, Misawa in this bout. I thought Misawa was going through the motions in this match, which let's be honest is better than 95% wrestlers ever, but at the same time a pity. He has so much offense that the match is never boring, but he just is not wrestling with a panache. It is harder to discern with stoic Misawa if he is trying, but I feel like he was just there. He opened the match with a great array of aerial attacks that found their mark on Kobashi. In a HOLY SHIT~! transition spot, Kobashi hotshots Misawa off the apron onto the railing. He just lays in a beating on the outside to Misawa. Kobashi was definitely the more fired up of the two for this match, but that makes sense as he is younger and still hungry. Misawa starts coming back with a flying head scissors to counter the Kobashi powerbomb. It was nice to see struggle over a suplex on the apron as some of the match felt like they would use a facelock reset to move onto the next spot. Kobashi's selling and histrionics are the highlight in this match as he begin to take Misawa's best offense. Misawa may be peaking too soon and could the Emerald of All Japan be peaking too early in this match? I like the sequence of Kobashi hitting the 3/4 nelson suplex to level the playing field as he does not just pop up and do it, but rather earns it. I am a total mark for powerbombs onto the top turnbuckle and Misawa takes a wicked one. Misawa counters the Burning Hammer and begins to use his elbows to set up his finish stretch. Kobashi blocks Emerald Flowsion and only the ropes can hold him up. Kobashi hits a sleeper suplex for two and immediately follows up with an Axe Bomber and a Burning Lariat to get the duke. It is 2000 All Japan. You get a ton of high-end offense with a couple head drops with some Kobashi Fighting Spirit. It is good, but there is really nothing here to separate it from the pack. Misawa seemed uninspired even though it was refreshing to see him work on top. The only spot that really stood out to me was the Hotshot onto the Railing, which needs to be cribbed. It should have been a late transition spot for more impact in the match. This is a match that blends into All Japan portfolio, but still an entertaining watch. ***1/2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada - Champions Carnival '00 What struck me the most about this match was how they were still able to manage to add something to their matches even though they had been wrestling big time singles matches since 1992. This encounter would be their final encounter in All Japan and I believe their last singles match until they drew 52,000 to the Dome under the NOAH banner in 2005. This match felt a lot like Flair/Steamboat Spring Stampede '94 in that the wrestling is still great, but it just does not grab you as much as it did when it was fresh. Both matches feature enough new stuff and just plain fundamentally awesome wrestling that neither can be written off, but they pale in comparison to their past glory. Misawa and Kawada depart from their classic long build matches (even previous Carnival matches went 30 minuet Broadway) to deliver their version of a tight sprint. There is a sense of urgency that is not as present in their previous encounters to finish this match early. It stems from the fact that after wrestling each other for over a decade that they knew each other's moves so they only way to beat one another is to hit the move before the opponent knew what hit them. Kawada won the early slugfest with a back drop driver and from there on out just kept kicking Misawa in the face anytime he tried to string together a combination of offense. Misawa is able to finally get on offense because he quickly hits a Tiger Driver. I can't remember the last time Misawa quickly hit a Tiger Driver there is usually a lot of struggle before he can hit one. Same goes for his follow-up German it was explosive. Misawa crashed and burned on the frogsplash attempt. Kawada capitalizes with a quick powerbomb, but when he tries again, he can't. It is the element of surprise that is all they have. So once Misawa has time to prepare for the powerbomb he can block it or Kawada can evade the frogsplash. Misawa's roaring elbow after the stretch plum and Kawada's consequent sell are why this match-up is one of the greatest in history. Kawada regains the advantage when he catches Misawa with a kick as he is coming down. He just unloads with everything in his strike arsenal and cant get the pin with a brainbuster. The teased the Ganso Bomb, but Misawa headscissors out, but Kawada eventually hits the powerbomb and still can't pin Misawa. Misawa's back elbow has Kawada like Oh My God. The Tiger Driver only gets two. It devolves into an elbow versus boot match and Misawa wins that with a nice elbow combination. Misawa finally hits Emerald Flowsion on Kawada to win their last contest in All Japan. The urgency of this encounter makes an interesting addition to their canon. **** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitsuharu Misawa vs Vader - NOAH 12/23/00 This bout is not on the ballot to be voted on, but I thought since I had watched every other combination of these four in 2000 that I might as well watch this one. I thought this was surprisingly good given Vader's condition at the time. Yes, Kobashi proved you could still have a great match with Vader, but I thought that was a lightning in the bottle moment. They worked a smart match with Vader as the methodical monster and Misawa works on trying to deprive him of the use of his arm. Vader's verbal selling during the arm work really make the match and you really believe that Misawa can topple the monster by going back to the arm repeatedly. They begin with Vader casually flipping off Misawa. After a couple lock-ups, Vader spits at Misawa so Misawa flips him off!!! I marked out for that. Vader chucks Misawa across the ring in a German suplex. I love Vader. Vader just destroys Misawa in the corner. Misawa is able to evade one of his splashes and he grabs an arm applying an armbreaker, but Vader hammer punches out of it. Vader throws Misawa around again like a ragdoll and Misawa presses with the cross armbreaker. Vader throws a wild bear paw and knocks Misawa out. Vader always has a puncher's chance. Vader sells his arm like crazy really putting over the drama of the match since he can't make the cover after a Vaderbomb and has to do his Vadersault from the middle rope. The Vadersault from the middle rope was crazy because of the acceleration of the rotation was even more impressive. Misawa capitalzes on the injury with elbows to arm as Vader just yelps in pain. Misawa elbows Vader in the back of the head hard and then floors him with a elbow to pick up the victory. I thought this was a very strong outing from both with each playing their roles effectively. Vader is established as a monster. Misawa's gameplan is take out a limb and survive the onslaught. Once, he has him wounded he uses his trusty elbow to win. It was a great layout with excellent offense and selling from Vader. ***1/2
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[1994-02-26-WCW-Saturday Night] Vader vs Ricky Steamboat
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in February 1994
Vader vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW Saturday Night 02/26/94) After watching a bunch of Vader from 2000, it was nice to see The Man in his prime in 1994. Vader kicked Steamboat's ass three weeks before this because he is Flair's friend I think. Vader has since had his return match with Flair at Superbrawl IV so Steamboat gets his grudge match with Vader as he gears up to challenge Flair at Spring Stampede. Who is this Steamboat and what did he do with nice, docile Ricky? Steamboat was out for blood in this match toppling Vader over the top rope with a cross body and then just going to town with chair, multiple chair shots to Vader. Of course, this causes the crowd to break out into a "Whoomp there it is chant". I love 1993-4 Center Stage, BABY! Also, I really dug the spot where Steamboat made Vader look foolish by running away from him and when Vader gives chase he ends up toppling over the top rope. Unfortunately, for our hero, Harley grabs a hold of him and Vader takes charge. Vader fucking chucks him back into the ring. That was not as much a suplex as he just threw. Here come the Vader corner punches. Outside of Flair, he has to be the best corner wrestler of all time. I prefer the opponent "slams" Vader off the second rope to the Vader misses sunset flip spot. With Vader's size, you have to get a little creative and transitions thus they don't always work. Vader is always game for selling (one of the better verbal sellers, a trait that served him well in Japan) and bumping. Steamboat slaps Vader around and comes at him with flying chops. He had the match won, but Harley had not yet been eliminated. I do think Harley overkill does happen in Vader matches, but I actually like it when he is taking bumps from Vader. In this match, he takes Vader body attack and splash. You know given wrestler's short-tempers and lack of understanding during miscommunications, Harley and Vader should commended on staying together through all that. Eventually, the ref has throw it because Harley basically becomes a participant in the match and the numbers game overwhelms Steamboat. The Boss is here to make the save to continue the buildup to their awesome Spring Stampede match. This was a really fun TV match and add in a especially spirited, fiery performance from the Steamer it adds some novelty value. ***1/4- 10 replies
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Pre-Split 2000 All Japan Toshiaki Kawada vs Kenta Kobashi - AJPW 01/17/00 Kawada's big return match falls flat even though he goes onto have 4 ****+ matches in his last truly great year of his career. This felt like their routine good match. They are laying in all their shots and everything looks good, but there is no sense of electricity. They are just going through the motions. Most wrestlers wish that their matches looked like this when they were going through the motions, but still can't be but a little disappointed by what I believe is the last ever Kawada/Kobashi singles match. Kawada levels Kobashi as soon as the bell rings with a big boot to say I'm back, bitch. Kawada plays king of the mountain at the beginning using his feet to keep the fiery Kobashi at bay. In a popular All Japan transition spot, Kobashi wins a suplex battle and takes over with short running knee lifts. Kawada answers in kind with one of his favorite transition spots, the sudden spinning heel kick. Kawada is focusing on the face of Kobashi with all these running big boots. I liked their apron sequence the best where Kawada hits a true axe kick, but Kobashi does the All Japan no-sell and clobbers him with a BURNING LARIAT! At this point, we get that classic Kawada selling that just makes his match as Kobashi begins to unload his offense. Kobashi really wants to hit his moonsault and Kawada really does not want to be hit by it. So Kobashi slaps on a sleeper to drain Kawada's energy, which is pretty effective psychology. Kobashi hits his powerbomb, but cant manage the half-nelson suplex, which Kawada hits an enziguiri out of. Kawada gets his own powerbomb, but when he goes to the well again Kobashi-rana counters albeit very botched. I am surprised Kobashi would do a Misawa spot and not only that fuck it up. Kawada adds a wrinkle with an armbar takedown -> cross armbreaker, which Kobashi sold well while in the hold, but does not have much significance. Kobashi All Japan no sells a back drop driver and wins a double lariat battle. He throws Kawada with a Tiger suplex and the jacknife powerbomb only gets two. Kobashi goes to hit his lariat, but Kawada can't even stand up on his own so Kobashi stands him up just to knock him down with BURNING LARIAT! I feel like the finish is like a metaphor for the like the system, man, you know. It is the best hits of Kawada/Kobashi, but it did not feel like any spots until the very quick finish had any sort of consequence. It was just a fun exhibition of moves. Stuff like the Kobashi sleeper or the Kawada cross-armbreaker really could have added interesting new dynamics to their match. As it stood, it is just par for the course. ***1/2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All Japan Triple Crown Champion Vader vs Toshiaki Kawada - All Japan 2/17/00 Man, six years ago, I thought this match was the shit. Now, it felt like it was being wrestled in slow motion and surprisingly light. Kawada's strike looked so chumpy especially whenever he tried to imitate the Vader punches. Vader's offense and selling are still top notch, but his movement thus his bumping has gone to shit. It is too bad that this match did not happen in 1993/4 as this could have been an all-time classic. Kawada evades Vader early on, which frustrates Vader, who tries to corner him, but ends up taking several boots to the face and being suplexed. A Vader eye poke transitions the match into the favor of the Mastodon. I love when a bully resorts to such cheating. Vader hits his body attack and a headbutt on the floor. Much like Kobashi's moonsault, Kawada does his best to avoid Vader's Vaderbomb, but eventually he has to take it, but kicks out. Kawada mounts a comeback with kicks and Vader sells the stretch plum better than anyone has since 1992 with his great verbal selling. The Vader body attack restores his advantage and he pours on his offense with a powerbomb and back drop driver. Kawada blocks the chokeslam. Vader swings a wild bear paw that finds his mark that finally puts Kawada on jelly legs and Vader murders him with a clothesline to successfully defend his titles. It is a perfectly fine match but there is not anything really that special about it. Kawada is trying to fight from underneath against the Mastodon, but Vader proves to be too much to handle. Will Kobashi be able to wrest the titles for from The Man They Call Vader? ***1/4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All Japan Triple Crown Champion Vader vs Kenta Kobashi - Budokan 02/24/00 I would hazard a guess that this Vader's last great match and it actually surprised me how good it was. It had been six years since I seen it last and had no recollection of it, but this was really well-executed. This is puroresu version of a most excellent Black Sabbath dirge, slow and heavy as fuck. Kobashi's ribs are taped up and Vader eats him alive. The match focuses on the two things Vader has left his offense and selling. At the beginning during Kobashi's shine, I was worried this match would go the way of the Kawada match with Vader trying to bump for Kobashi and just not having the agility anymore. I know that Vader helps everyone when he gets suplexed, but it looks even more obvious in these matches. Kobashi starts to chop as he would Akiyama or Kawada, but instead of the usual macho pissing contest, Vader just creams him with a clothesline. Lets Go Vader. From there, Vader zeroes in on the ribs dropping all his weight on them and just doing everything he can to injure them further: hanging Kobashi out to dry on the railing or ripping off the tape. Kobashi would get a hope spot like a flying shoulderblock and Vader would just immediately fall with all his weight on Kobashi's ribs to stymie him. The crowd finally gets into after three Vaderbombs, which starts up the ""Ko-Bash-I" chants. Where was the Vader whistle and customary trash talk? Vader hit a huge short arm clothesline, but here comes Kobashi with the spin kick. Dont you just love when all of sudden the Japanese commentator will just scream "FLYING BODY ATTACK~!"? Kobashi hits a powerbomb off the top rope and a German suplex, but you can't hold Vader down yet. Vader starts swinging those bear paws and just throws Kobashi all over the place with three German suplexes. Double clothesline and Vader is still first to his feet and hits a monster chokeslam and then another. The straps are down and all that gut is hanging out. It must have been an 18+ only show at Budokan that night. It is all for naught as Kobashi hits a Burning Lariat for two and then a moonsault for two. In a finish I absolutely loved, Kobashi bounces off the Vader body attack, rebounds and takes Vader's head off with a BURNING LARIAT~! to win the championships to a huge pop. Given Vader's limitations at the time, they have the best match possible with Kobashi taking a shit ton of punishment from the Mastodon. I loved all the moments where Kobashi would hit a move and Vader just kept on coming back. It felt so different from the usual All Japan fare at the time where you had a really established underdog in Kobashi because of the size disadvantage working hard underneath. This is Vader in his fucking element too. Give him a popular babyface that can sell and has great fire and he can't have a bad match. It doesn't matter that he put on a ton of weight and can't move, David vs Goliath is Vader's game and no one does it better. I heard one critique of this match was that Kobashi did not get enough offense and it was just an extended squash (on puroresu.tv). I am going to be a dick about this comment and say this guy needs to watch more American wrestling because two momentum shifts in a match is a perfect number to have an all-time classic. This match actually had four because Kobashi had a false comeback. The story of the match was Kobashi outlasting the monster you have to take Vader to proverbial twelveth round that's Sting learned at Starrcade '92. By letting Vader punch himself out, Kobashi had effectively already weakened Vader. In addition, his ribs were fucked so he was looking to hit a big bomb and get the fuck out of there. That's why he went for a cover after each big bomb because he was trying to shorten the match once his ribs were attacked. Plus, the fact Vader basically kicked Kobashi's ass demonstrates how much of a warrior Kobashi is for surviving that onslaught. In reality, that is the central question in most Vader matches, "Can the opponent survive the onslaught?" It was a excellent execution of that story. ***3/4
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
This aired on both MACW/WWW on 9/20/85. Thank God! I am not going crazy because Wind Beneath My Wings was not the song that plays during this music video. They had to overdub it with in house music, which is why it sounded so out of place. This all makes so much more sense why I couldn't find that song at all on the internet. -
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First fifth of the HHH project is completed with this match... WWF World Heavyweight Champion Mankind vs Triple H - RAW 8/23/99 HHH threatened to break JR's arm in order to get a championship match and then broke it anyways so Foley denied him then Shane O Mac forced Mankind to defend anyways. It was actually a great douchey start because HHH knew he could get away with it all because he had Shane O Mac in his pocket, The Rock is out to do some guest commentary and is mostly enjoyable on commentary. Chyna is out with HHH because she is selling Double J's guitar shot from earlier. HHH is rocking some chain mail before the match. Did I miss chain mail being really in between 1999-2000 that both HHH and Steiner were rocking it. O finally, Shane O Mac is your special guest ref. They actually do an early spot to establish that Shane will be biased to HHH when Foley goes for an early cover and Shane O jaws with Rocky. Psychology! The match gets really weird as they put what usually is the finish stretch in the beginning as Mankind's shine segment. He Socko's Shane, HHH and an ailing Chyna (who sells throughout the match and post-match.) HHH did not love Chyna for her body, he loved her for her beautiful wrestling mind. Triple H Irish whips Foley into Chyna who hiptosses him so that he does his usual leg bump onto the steps. Outside of the high knee cutoff, HHH really has nothing during his heat segments. He is much better at bumping at this point. Foley's comeback is weak. Cole mentions that Mankind is fired up because the injury to JR and really I did not feel that at all. Mankind was just wrestling. I would have loved so bigger HHH pinball bumping, but I don't blame HHH because it is not like Mankind was giving him anything to bump off of it. Shane awakes and hits Mankind with a chair and he no sells it. However, Triple takes advantage to paste Foley with a chair and might as well clobber The Rock for good measure. He hits the Pedigree for the victory. Chyna grabbing her head celebrates with Triple H. It was a pretty anti-climatic victory. This match is really strange. You have Mankind taking out Shane and busting out Socko like they were going to finish early. Then they had a tedious heat segment followed by a quick finish. It just does not build towards anything. Given the amount of investment they put into HHH's push, they really would have busted out the big fireworks.
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Can I change the title or does Loss/Will have to do it?
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A calendar year is just as arbitrary a measure of time as any other would be. By the definition of Match of the Year, if a three star match is the best match of the year it is match of the year. I hope we never live in that year, but it is just what is. If a three star match was that novel would you not bump it up? My issue with the match is I just don't think they delivered a match that would constitute a MOTYC status no matter if you wanted a WWE Main Event match, a veteran vs. midcarder, a lucha brawl or a shoot-style mat exhibition. I just did not think the match was worthy of that distinction. It was a very good TV match, but there was nothing about Cesaro's extended heat segment that really screamed transcendent. It was more of an exhibition of his killer spots. It reminded me a lot of Rey vs Dragon from WWIII '97, but with a hotter stretch run. Cesaro is not very heelish, which bothers me to an extent. He wrestles in a really Japanese style. It is not really face or heel, he is just wrestling. As a fan of puroresu, I have no problem enjoying this style it just does not really mesh in WWE style. I think an argument can be made he is turning face sooner rather than later so there is no point in heel it up, but I think he needs some more interaction with crowd. Sometimes, I feel like he is wrestling in a vacuum But what the fuck do I know? He is clearly over and the Giant Swing is over (though I don't like how anytime a babyface cuts it off it gets the face boo'd). As far as Cena's extended comeback, there was nothing super awesome about it. I thought the one against Punk last February was incredible and that Punk RAW match was definitely a MOTYC. The finish was really sweet and I did mark out for the clothesline roll through deadlift FU, but outside of the finish I did not think it was that remarkable. I am going to watch it again, but on first watch I think it was a ***1/2-ish match. Hell, I thought Bryan/Christian from the same show was just as good if not better than Cena/Cesaro. I am shocked that match is getting no love. I know OJ, I feel the same way since I did not watch Elimination Chamber and had just watched Cesaro/Cena two days ago. Im always behind the times.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Back when I was compiling match listings for my WCW 90s project, I used Ctrl+F all your matches of the months because that was the only real place I could find a listing of the yearbooks, but sometimes you only ranked up the *** and up matches so I would have to go into each individual month to make sure I was not missing anything. Instead, I just clicked one of your tags and boom there was all the Dustin Rhodes matches no more Ctrl + F. This is so fucking bitchin'. Cawthon's site needs tagging. -
I am totally in lockstep with you, OJ. I watched the match and did not get all the gushing at all for this match. It was a great free TV match and very exciting, but hardly something I would call a MOTYC. I was actually surprised the stretch run did not get panned on this board since it was such a choreographed feel counter-happy run. I marked out for Cena's clothesline/deadweight FU lift. However, I did not feel there was a whole lot of meat on this match just an exhibition of Cesaro's great strength spots and Cena's usual extended comeback (he has this really nailed down pat). This match reminds me a lot of the Bryan/Cesaro match from last summer, which I thought was wicked overrated. I like Cesaro a lot, but I don't think he has really knocked a singles match out of the park in RAW or PPV yet.
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There are two things that really matter to me above all else. Are you wrestling with a distinct purpose in mind? I don't care if you want to beat this guy for a championship, looking at you sideways, because he hit on your girl or for a shampoo ad or just because you are booked together. There should be a sense of struggle because you both want to win. "Exhibition"-style matches can be great for getting someone over, but they should just be squashes. Transitions are really key for me and it was separates good and great wrestling. A shine segment, heat segment and comeback are steady state wrestling. It is a relatively even keel. You are excited then you feel hopeful then you are roaring for your favorite. You are building layers, but transitions are where transients occur. That is when you can spike a really hot crowd or bring them way down when a babyface crash and burns to set up a heel heat segment. That's where the roller coaster comes in and their are dynamics to your match. If you can master the transitions, you have mastered wrestling.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Ok, so I was watching the Andersons versus Rock N Roll Express from Starrcade 1986 for the first time in full on the WWE Network and it was glorious as I expected. I figured I'd watch Flair/Koloff since I had never watched it. In between, there is this very strange music video of Magnum TA running on the beach to who I thought was his mother, but I guess was his mother. What mostly bothered me was the song it was set to "Her life is like a box that is always empty" sounds so 1995 like really had to have been produced in 90s, but this is Starrcade 1986. Does anyone know anything about this video/song? ------------------------------------------- Nevermind, Tony just mentioned it on air. Song just sounded so weird in the 80s and does not seem to fit anything that happened to Magnum at the time. -
Humor is the only way to get through the pain. WWF World Heavyweight Champion "Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Triple H vs Mankind - Summerslam 1999 Yep, this is the first thing I watched on the WWE network. Judge away. Besides the fact that you have to guess where the match would begin and the incessant buffering throughout, the better video quality over youtube was worth it. Jesse "The Body" Ventura is the special guest referee for the match since it was held in Minnesota where he was governor at the time. The Body reads HHH and Foley the Riot Act and he won't be putting up with any bullshit tonight. I have head different reasons for why Mankind was added to the match: 1. Austin did not want to job the title to HHH 2. They did not want Ventura to have declare HHH (a heel) the new Champ. If it really is reason #2, then why Austin have to lose anyways other than because Austin did not want to job the title to HHH. Feel free to present new information because I am unsure of this, but based on the information I know this seems to be the reason. In the storylines, it did make sense because HHH put Foley on the shelf back in May so it only makes sense that he would want to exact some vengeance. I watched this match about a year ago and did not think much of it. This time around I thought HHH really outshone both Austin and Foley in this match. Austin was clearly hurting and needed time off. Foley was coming back from an injury was still shaking off that ring rust. Based on what I have seen, HHH is clearly the best WWF main event worker and it is not really close. He bumps big, he shines a babyface up real nice, he heels pretty well. He needs to work on his heat segments, but overall he is a pretty solid performer at this point. At the beginning of the match, HHH bounces around like a pinball for the broken down Austin and ailing Foley. Mankind goes in for the hug with Austin and Austin gives him the big 'ol FU. Austin whoops both their asses. Chyna, who has really impressed me on the outside, shoves Mankind into the post, which draws Ventura's attention so that HHH can wrap a chair around Austin's knee. This incapacitates Austin and HHH and Mankind go at it. I thought they did a pretty good job with the hardest part of triple threat matches the transitions from pairing to pairing. Mankind gets the Mandible Claw, but no Socko, so it is not as potent without his special junk juice (alliteration is just too damn tempting). Chyna trips up Foley and posts him. The Body throws Chyna out. In their protest (Chyna did a great job,), Austin makes a beeline for Hunter and floors him. Helmsley is able to wrap Stone Cold's knee around the post and now HHH/Foley double team Austin. Mankind calls for HHH to do the Figure-4, but goes for the cover himself. WWE network censors HHH's audible "What the fuck are you doing". I wonder if they will censor all his spot calling. Mankind hits the Cactus Clothesline, but crashes and burns on the somersault plancha onto the floor. O Foley. Austin is back up, but HHH goes back to work on the knee, but Austin pulls his legs in and HHH goes nose first into the post. Austin's mindless brawling is really tiresome. Foley and HHH take two really good back bumps for Austin. It is painfully obvious how badly Austin needed a year off at this point, but given the crowd reactions he gets it is so hard to pull the trigger on that. I am glad doctor's orders finally reigned supreme. Austin catapults HHH into Mankind and STUNNER to Foley! HHH breaks it up with chair and wallops Foley in the head unprotected with the chair. O Foley. The Body refuses to count for Triple H. The crowd pops huge. They tease HHH/Body confrontation (should have milked it longer) before Shane O Mac comes out in the glorious "I just passed The Test" shirt. I had forgotten about that. Austin hits a weak ass Stunner on Shane that still draws a pop and Ventura gets a bigger pop for throwing the little bastard out of the ring. In his excitement, Austin nearly toppled over the ropes and got caught in them, which had me laughing heartily. Mankind applies the double Manible Claw, but only one has the special junk juice soaked sock. HHH was not choking down that sock so he had the wherewithal to break out of it and go for the Pedigree. Austin clobbers him. Austin STUNNER TO HHH. PEDIGREE TO AUSTIN! DOUBLE ARM DDT TO AUSTIN! And Mankind wins?!?!?!?!??!?! I think the current 8 million false finish/finisher/finisher reversals/finisher steal style had me all fucked up because this seemed downright abrupt after only 4 finishers! Even though, I full well knew that Foley won this match I was still taken by surprise and that crowd sure was too. I actually enjoyed this match just fine and thought HHH was really good as the glue. Austin was running at 25% and his brawling was tepid and tiresome. Foley brought a couple bumps, but not much else to the table. Still, whoever called this match got it right because there was no downtime, everything kept moving, and transitions were well worked. ***1/4
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I'll play along. I am rolling deep in 00s Puro, WCW 90s midcard and HHH in '99-'01, but down for whatever.
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To paraphrase the great Joe Walsh, "I hate to complain, but sometimes I still do." This whole guessing where to fast forward thing is going to bother me a lot. I have never been a watch a whole show type of guy. The tradeoff is of course the video quality is way better here than youtube. Am I to understand that they pulled all the great content they used to have on WWE.com. I know that I watched Backlund/Valentine '79 draw and the Backlund/Hogan Philly '80 match on WWE.com and now I couldn't find them by searching "Bob Backlund". Did I fuck up?
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Shinya Hashimoto & Takashi Iizuka vs Naoya Ogawa & Kazunari Murkami - Tokyo Dome 01/04/00 The Dome sure was rocking for this one, baby! From Inoki's entrance through post-match pull apart, this may have the most extended heat ever from a Dome crowd I have seen. The crowd still loves them some Inoki, who came out and said some stuff in Japanese and then broke a big stick in half so he created two wicked sharp stakes. Inoki: Vampire Slayer, Book It, Sci Fi! Everybody is wearing MMA gloves and Hashimoto/Ogawa just has that big match feel that belongs in front of a Dome. It is no wonder Hash thought he could run pretty much an entire promotion with him on top and Ogawa as his number two given the sustained heat. The match delivered a wild, chaotic classic where you had no idea what the heel was going to happen next and any shot could be a KO or a submission. The crowd was really vibing off this chaos and was popping for pretty much every spot. There was pretty much no downtime in the match. Murkami bullrushed Iizuka with lefts and kicks at the outset to establish the feel of the match. He full mounts Iizuka, but he gets to the ref so Murkami shoves the ref off. As he breaks, he kicks Iizuka's head off so Hashimoto comes into check on IIzuka and Murkami grabs the mic to lay some badmouth as one would expect. This is fuckin crazy. Hash fucks up Murkami triggering the big Hashimoto/Ogawa confrontation and the Dome is just losing it. NJPW wrestler pour into the ring and here comes Inoki with his giant fuckin Stake to reestablish order and Iizuka is ok so LETS GET IT ON! Team Ogawa is in love with O Soto Gari/STO and that is their constant go to move to takedown the other team. Once on the mat they trade cross-armbreaker, triangles and a leg bar. There is a real sense of struggle in every movement and the Dome heat is just unreal. Murkami full mounts Iizuka and was so focused on kicking his ass that he did not see Hashimoto got tagged in, who promptly lights him up with kicks. Hashimoto tells Ogawa not to sing it, but just bring it. Dome is molten. Hashimoto ends their stand up exchange with a wicked headbutt against the ropes and starts beating the piss out of Ogawa and the gloves come off. Ogawa goes to his STO bread and butter, but Hash just throws him back. Ogawa gets on his bike and tries to turn this into a track meet. Hashimoto gets trapped in his guard and survives a triangle choke. Everyone gets hit with STOs as Ogawa begins to turn the tide. Iizuka dropkicks Ogawa to the floor off of Hashimoto. Hashimoto is on Ogawa on the floor and attempts to break his arm with a keylock. Iizuka grabs a rear naked choke on Murkami for the win. Ogawa is a sore sport and throws Iizuka and the NJPW wrestlers pull apart before anything else can happen. The entertainment from this is derived from the chaos and hatred between the two teams. The Dome is just so into match that makes everything electric. The finish was a little too abrupt and I wanted to see more Hashimoto and Ogawa. Still this was a super fun match that just flew right by. ****1/4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ NWA World Heavyweight Champion Shinya Hashimoto vs Masato Tanaka - Zero-One 3/02/02 I did not understand the appeal of this match as a MOTYC. It was a really great extended squash that saw Hashimoto pretty much fuck up Tanaka's day, but outside of that this match really did not offer much. It was just a follow-up to the Zero-One inaugural tag that established Hashimoto as an unstoppable, invulnerable force of nature. I will say Masato Tanaka's screeching in Japanese was really disconcerting and I would almost say disturbing. I felt really bad for him as he was just getting wrecked by the emotionless Hashimoto. At the beginning of the match Tanaka kicks the NWA belt away and Hashimoto will not stand for such disrespect and sends Tanaka running for the hill after beating him up in the corner. Tanaka's new strategy is to try to get toe to toe with Hash, but that works about as well as you think it would. The story of the match is that Tanaka would occasionally find an opening (lariat, forearms, attacking the knee), but could never string together any offense because well he is facing Hashimoto. The most entertaining moment of the match for me was when Hashimoto wiped out from a double stomp from the apron to the floor. Thankfully, he was able to catch the railing so he did not take a header into it. It is only funny because he did not get hurt. Boy, did he take out his embarrassment on poor Masato Tanaka with those kicks. It finally looks like Tanaka make actually make a run at Hashimoto by getting to his knee, but he just cant resist slapping Hashimoto, who responds with a punch that floors Tanaka. Tanaka tries to take down Hashimoto, but eats knee lifts before taking a DDT for 2. One last gasp for Tanaka who hits a roaring elbow and applies a choke, but as soon as Hashimoto stands up he just melts into a pool of defeated humanity. Brainbuster is the mercy killing for Masato Tanaka. The transitions for all the offense shifts were pretty bad. It felt like Hashimoto would let Tanaka do things and then he would just swat him from the sky. There was no heat. When you have a guy like Hashimoto it is always semi-entertaining to watch him just squash someone, but not a MOTYC in any way. ***