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[2000-02-17-AJPW-Excite Series] Vader vs Toshiaki Kawada
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in February 2000
All Japan Triple Crown Champion Vader vs Toshiaki Kawada - All Japan 2/17/00 Man, six years ago, I thought this match was the shit. Now, it felt like it was being wrestled in slow motion and surprisingly light. Kawada's strike looked so chumpy especially whenever he tried to imitate the Vader punches. Vader's offense and selling are still top notch, but his movement thus his bumping has gone to shit. It is too bad that this match did not happen in 1993/4 as this could have been an all-time classic. Kawada evades Vader early on, which frustrates Vader, who tries to corner him, but ends up taking several boots to the face and being suplexed. A Vader eye poke transitions the match into the favor of the Mastodon. I love when a bully resorts to such cheating. Vader hits his body attack and a headbutt on the floor. Much like Kobashi's moonsault, Kawada does his best to avoid Vader's Vaderbomb, but eventually he has to take it, but kicks out. Kawada mounts a comeback with kicks and Vader sells the stretch plum better than anyone has since 1992 with his great verbal selling. The Vader body attack restores his advantage and he pours on his offense with a powerbomb and back drop driver. Kawada blocks the chokeslam. Vader swings a wild bear paw that finds his mark that finally puts Kawada on jelly legs and Vader murders him with a clothesline to successfully defend his titles. It is a perfectly fine match but there is not anything really that special about it. Kawada is trying to fight from underneath against the Mastodon, but Vader proves to be too much to handle. Will Kobashi be able to wrest the titles for from The Man They Call Vader? ***- 17 replies
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IWGP Heavyweight Champion Genichiro Tenryu vs Kensuke Sasaki - 01/04/00 Kensuke Sasaki has a nice slab of symphonic metal as his entrance theme and a bitchin' mullet. Tenryu looks extra lumpy at this point. This match reminds me of how the simplicity of New Japan can be just as beautiful as All Japan's complexity. This match is structured to make Sasaki to look like the conquering hero against the gritty veteran proving himself at every turn as surpassing Tenryu. The match proves that anything Tenryu can do; Sasaki can do better. It really makes Sasaki look like an ace of a promotion. They do not waste time going into the chopfest. This match reminds me of Valentine/Garvin at first as it seems like they are just stiffing each other for the hell of it. However, this match transcends inane strikes by developing into a well-woven story with a beginning, middle and end. The beginning is a battle of two bulls seeing who can inflict more damage on the other. Tenryu is the first to throw a closed fist in the corner. Sasaki says "Two can play at that game" and levels Tenryu with a wicked closed fist. Even though this match utilizes the closed fist more than any other puro match I have seen; the closed fist still seems really special as they sell it as a big deal. The way Tenryu transitions into his heat segment on Sasaki is be means of the closed fist. Before we get to there, I just wanted to mention that after Tenryu fells Sasaki with a huge chop that Sasaki actually wins a struggle for a vertical suplex. These are the little battles that Sasaki wins before ultimately winning the whole match. The second act is Tenryu's heat segment, which is concise and is focused on making Sasaki look vulnerable, but resilient. His chops to the throat area look vicious. Sasaki gets a hope spot in sumo slap battle, but Tenryu wins that with his enziguri. He does a super German suplex and follows up with his falling elbow drop from the top rope for 2. He does a powerbomb only gets two. Then he hits Sasaki's Northern Lights Bomb but he cant hold Sasaki down. He goes for the kill by a top rope Frankensteiner, but instead Sasaki powerbombs him in a pretty impressive spot. Then Sasaki shows him how it is done by doing his own top rope Frankensteiner. I fuckin' loved that exchange. Sasaki is looking for the kill, but Tenryu still has some fire left in the belly and they exchange strikes. Tenryu hits his enziguri again, but this time Sasaki hits his Northern Lights Bomb. Then goes for the second one to polish off Tenryu to win his second IWGP Championship and prove he is King of the Hill. This match never overstays its welcome clocking in just under 15 minutes and in this "less is more" attitude pervading the internet I feel like this one could do well. They sets this up as a Clash of Titans that Sasaki is looking to prove himself against the Elder Statesman. He wins small battles and displays Fighting Spirit in the face of the deluge of Tenryu's offense. The finish was definitive that Sasaki was the better wrestler in that match and he felt like that night as the Ace of New Japan. There are some issues with no-selling on Sasaki's part and I think they could have done so much interesting stuff with the holds. Those are just some nitpicky stuff. This is a great first match to start off the project. ****
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Loss is da man! Shinya Hashimoto & Takashi Iizuka vs Naoya Ogawa & Kazunari Murkami - Tokyo Dome 01/04/00 The Dome sure was rocking for this one, baby! From Inoki's entrance through post-match pull apart, this may have the most extended heat ever from a Dome crowd I have seen. The crowd still loves them some Inoki, who came out and said some stuff in Japanese and then broke a big stick in half so he created two wicked sharp stakes. Inoki: Vampire Slayer, Book It, Sci Fi! Everybody is wearing MMA gloves and Hashimoto/Ogawa just has that big match feel that belongs in front of a Dome. It is no wonder Hash thought he could run pretty much an entire promotion with him on top and Ogawa as his number two given the sustained heat. The match delivered a wild, chaotic classic where you had no idea what the heel was going to happen next and any shot could be a KO or a submission. The crowd was really vibing off this chaos and was popping for pretty much every spot. There was pretty much no downtime in the match. Murkami bullrushed Iizuka with lefts and kicks at the outset to establish the feel of the match. He full mounts Iizuka, but he gets to the ref so Murkami shoves the ref off. As he breaks, he kicks Iizuka's head off so Hashimoto comes into check on IIzuka and Murkami grabs the mic to lay some badmouth as one would expect. This is fuckin crazy. Hash fucks up Murkami triggering the big Hashimoto/Ogawa confrontation and the Dome is just losing it. NJPW wrestler pour into the ring and here comes Inoki with his giant fuckin Stake to reestablish order and Iizuka is ok so LETS GET IT ON! Team Ogawa is in love with O Soto Gari/STO and that is their constant go to move to takedown the other team. Once on the mat they trade cross-armbreaker, triangles and a leg bar. There is a real sense of struggle in every movement and the Dome heat is just unreal. Murkami full mounts Iizuka and was so focused on kicking his ass that he did not see Hashimoto got tagged in, who promptly lights him up with kicks. Hashimoto tells Ogawa not to sing it, but just bring it. Dome is molten. Hashimoto ends their stand up exchange with a wicked headbutt against the ropes and starts beating the piss out of Ogawa and the gloves come off. Ogawa goes to his STO bread and butter, but Hash just throws him back. Ogawa gets on his bike and tries to turn this into a track meet. Hashimoto gets trapped in his guard and survives a triangle choke. Everyone gets hit with STOs as Ogawa begins to turn the tide. Iizuka dropkicks Ogawa to the floor off of Hashimoto. Hashimoto is on Ogawa on the floor and attempts to break his arm with a keylock. Iizuka grabs a rear naked choke on Murkami for the win. Ogawa is a sore sport and throws Iizuka and the NJPW wrestlers pull apart before anything else can happen. The entertainment from this is derived from the chaos and hatred between the two teams. The Dome is just so into match that makes everything electric. The finish was a little too abrupt and I wanted to see more Hashimoto and Ogawa. Still this was a super fun match that just flew right by. ****1/4
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[2000-01-30-BattlARTS] Naoki Sano vs Minoru Tanaka
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in January 2000
Independent Junior Heavyweight Champion Naoki Sano vs Minoru Tanaka Battlarts 01/30/2000 Almost ten years to the day of this match, Naoki Sano put on his most heralded performance against Jushin Liger for the IWGP Junior Heavyweight match. On this night, Sano looked like he was moving in slow-motion and just plain old. Minoru Tanaka did the best he possibly could, selling all of Sano's holds like he was in agonizing torture, but he could not carry this match far past average. I read another review of this from Puroresu.TV promoting this as a slow matwork masterpiece. I want to clarify it is not the pace of the match that bothered me it was the fact that Sano would take down or transition in and out of holds like a snail. There was no struggle. It was just a slow-motion exhibition of catch wrestling on the mat. Then you add the first time Sano goes for the leg lace he just kind of holds MInoru foot and he just starts screaming in pain. It would be great selling if he did not look like a total tool because of Sano was applying literally zero torque or pressure. When Sano lazily applies a rear naked choke, Minoru sells like he is about to pass out and just makes it to the ropes. Everytime, Sano would even touch Minoru's leg or foot, he would immediately scramble for the ropes and scream. There was a clear inequality in effort levels throughout the match. Eventually, they drop the shoot-style stuff and just go full bore into pro wrestling, Sano tombstones Minoru and missile dropkick, but gets kicked in gut on a plancha attempt that did not look too good. Minoru hits his own missile dropkick and applies the cross-armbreaker, but Sano makes the ropes. Minoru grabs the heel hook, but Sano touches Minoru's foot, which sends flying out of the ring. Minoru is sure as hell selling that leg. Sano follows him out with a suicide dive in his best spot. They tease the countout finish with Minoru making it in at 19, which I thought was the best part of the match. Sano hits a Tiger Suplex, but Minoru is too close to the ropes. Minoru goes for his bread and butter again, but Sano makes the ropes. They trade nice head kicks before Minoru lands a Dragon Suplex for 2, but the immediate cross-armbreaker gets a submission and the Independent Junior Heavyweight Championship. I had high hopes for this shoot-style affiar, but Sano just did not show up. I thought Minoru did the best he could given what was dealt to him. Very disappointing match **3/4- 14 replies
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Toshiaki Kawada vs Kenta Kobashi - AJPW 01/17/00 Kawada's big return match falls flat even though he goes onto have 5 ****+ matches in his last truly great year of his career. This felt like their routine good match. They are laying in all their shots and everything looks good, but there is no sense of electricity. They are just going through the motions. Most wrestlers wish that their matches looked like this when they were going through the motions, but still can't be but a little disappointed by what I believe is the last ever Kawada/Kobashi singles match. Kawada levels Kobashi as soon as the bell rings with a big boot to say I'm back, bitch. Kawada plays king of the mountain at the beginning using his feet to keep the fiery Kobashi at bay. In a popular All Japan transition spot, Kobashi wins a suplex battle and takes over with short running knee lifts. Kawada answers in kind with one of his favorite transition spots, the sudden spinning heel kick. Kawada is focusing on the face of Kobashi with all these running big boots. I liked their apron sequence the best where Kawada hits a true axe kick, but Kobashi does the All Japan no-sell and clobbers him with a BURNING LARIAT! At this point, we get that classic Kawada selling that just makes his match as Kobashi begins to unload his offense. Kobashi really wants to hit his moonsault and Kawada really does not want to be hit by it. So Kobashi slaps on a sleeper to drain Kawada's energy, which is pretty effective psychology. Kobashi hits his powerbomb, but cant manage the half-nelson suplex, which Kawada hits an enziguiri out of. Kawada gets his own powerbomb, but when he goes to the well again Kobashi-rana counters albeit very botched. I am surprised Kobashi would do a Misawa spot and not only that fuck it up. Kawada adds a wrinkle with an armbar takedown -> cross armbreaker, which Kobashi sold well while in the hold, but does not have much significance. Kobashi All Japan no sells a back drop driver and wins a double lariat battle. He throws Kawada with a Tiger suplex and the jacknife powerbomb only gets two. Kobashi goes to hit his lariat, but Kawada can't even stand up on his own so Kobashi stands him up just to knock him down with BURNING LARIAT! I feel like the finish is like a metaphor for the like the system, man, you know. It is the best hits of Kawada/Kobashi, but it did not feel like any spots until the very quick finish had any sort of consequence. It was just a fun exhibition of moves. Stuff like the Kobashi sleeper or the Kawada cross-armbreaker really could have added interesting new dynamics to their match. As it stood, it is just par for the course. ***1/2
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How do star ratings and buys correlate?
Superstar Sleeze replied to FedEx227's topic in Pro Wrestling
What actually maybe interesting given jdw's point is plotting PPV (N-1) star rating against they buyrate of PPV (N) (This allows the timeframes to line up). Does good work necessitate people to buy the next PPV? Obviously, the big problem is that we just have Meltzer's ratings so it is not a wide data set, but it could be cool. -
Amen, Matt. Like for instance, I just did what I consider a very good write-up on the Austin/Steamboat BATB '94 match where I respond to people's claim of the match being disjointed by finding a constant thread (Austin's desperation tactics and out & out cheating) that connects the match from beginning to end and how the match runs through him. Now due to the nature of the beast, I did not expect anyone to respond and I am not disappointed (though I did get in a cheap plug for it). I know that eventually someone will watch that match, go to the thread and see my dissenting opinion and respond in turn. However, I think there is value in having us all watch a match at the same time because it will promote more instantaneous discussion. The reason, I have not participated is because selfishly I am wrapped up too much in my own projects. Since I do think this is a worthwhile venture, I would like to get this restarted. HHH/Austin No Way Out '01 is a great high-profile match and works perfectly with me as I am watching HHH '99-'01 and don't mind skipping around. So I'll second that nomination.
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Before I launch into Kobashi's extraordinary GHC title reign (4 matches in and it was been bitchin), I wanted to wrap up with some final thoughts on the 2000-2002 Japan landscape. 1. 2000 was a return to form for Japan and actually their best year since 1997 and was a really enjoyable year to watch. 2. The structure was unsustainable. All Japan has Tenryu, Kawada, Mutoh; NOAH had Misawa, Kobashi and Akiyama and New Japan had Nagata and a bunch of MMA fighters. There were too many over the hill guys that could bust out a one-off performance but nothing to build company around. The people coming up (Kojima, Akiyama, Nagata) had no credible opponents. What made the Three Musketeers and Four Corners work is they had each other to elevate themselves. 3. The resulting huge dropoff quality. 2001 was still a pretty good year, but holy shit 2002 sucked resulting in the two highest rated matches of the year coming in at ****. 4. In this past year, by my count WWE (including NXT) had about 7-8 ****1/2 or greater matches. From 2000-2002 from the three different companies, Japan only produced 5. In some ways, we are just spoiled now, but it is also clear that Japan in 2001 & 2002 was in a stark decline. Here are the awards for the end of my look at 2000-2002 Japan: 1. Mitsuharu Misawa vs Jun Akiyama - Budokan 02/27/00 2. All Japan Triple Crown Champion Kenta Kobashi vs Yoshihiro Takayama - All Japan 05/26/00 3. All Japan Triple Crown Champion Genichiro Tenryu vs Keiji Mutoh - Budokan 6/8/01 4. Toshiaki Kawada & Masa Fuchi vs Yuji Nagata & Takashi Iizuka - NJ PPV 12/14/00 5. Kenta Kobashi vs Jun Akiyama - Budokan 12/23/00 6. IWGP Jr Hvywt Tag Champs Ohtani & Takaiwa vs Kanemoto & Minoru - NJPW 6/25/00 7. IWGP Champion Kensuke Sasaki vs Toshiaki Kawada - 10/00 Tokyo Dome Non-Title 8. Keiji Mutoh vs Toshiaki Kawada - Champions Carnival 04/01 9. IWGP Jr Heavyweight Champion Minoru Tanaka vs Takehiro Murahama - NJPW 4/20/01 10. Shinya Hashimoto & Takashi Iizuka vs Naoya Ogawa & Kazunari Murkami - Tokyo Dome 01/04/00 11. Genichiro Tenryu & Masa Fuchi vs Toshiaki Kawada & Nobutaka Araya - AJPW 6/30/01 12. Kenta Kobashi vs Takao Omori - Champions Carnival Final '00 13. GHC Champion Mitsuharu Misawa vs Jun Akiyama - Budokan 07/27/01 14. New Japan (Liger & Minoru ) vs. NOAH (Kikuchi & Kanemaru) - NOAH 4/7/02 15. GHC Tag Champions Akiyama & Saito vs Kobashi & Shiga - NOAH 10/19/02 Match of the Year, 2000: Mitsuharu Misawa vs Jun Akiyama - Budokan 02/27/00 Match of the Year, 2001: All Japan Triple Crown Champion Genichiro Tenryu vs Keiji Mutoh - Budokan 6/8/01 Match of the Year, 2002: New Japan (Jushin Liger & Minoru Tanaka) vs. NOAH (Tsuyoshi Kikuchi & Yoshinobu Kanemaru) - NOAH 4/7/02 Finished #14 overall Match of the Year (2000-2002), New Japan Pro Wrestling: Toshiaki Kawada & Masa Fuchi vs Yuji Nagata & Takashi Iizuka - NJ PPV 12/14/00 Match of the Year (2000), Pre-Split All Japan Pro Wrestling: Mitsuharu Misawa vs Jun Akiyama - Budokan 02/27/00 Match of the Year (2000-2002), Post-Split All Japan Pro Wrestling: All Japan Triple Crown Champion Genichiro Tenryu vs Keiji Mutoh - Budokan 6/8/01 Match of the Year (2000-2002), Pro Wrestling NOAH: Kenta Kobashi vs Jun Akiyama - Budokan 12/23/00 Match of the Year (2000-2002), Junior Heavyweight Division: IWGP Jr Heavyweight Tag Champs Shinjiro Ohtani & Tatsuhito Takaiwa vs Koji Kanemoto & Minoru Tanaka - NJPW 6/25/00 http://ridingspacemountain.blogspot.com/2014/03/best-of-japan-2000-2002.html -
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
I try to stay up to date on what the other smark opinions are by checking out some other boards. I am pretty tolerant so I don't really mind their usually whacked out views. My God, did I get hot under the collar when some said that Warrior was better than Lex Luger. It is just infuriating. You type this big long post breaking things down and giving match recommendations. All you get is TL;DR, Warrior is better because he had facepaint and was BATSHIT INSANE~! Ugh. -
I was the outlier on the Bash match and I will be the outlier here. WCW US Champion "Stunning" Steve Austin vs Ricky Steamboat - WCW Clash of the Champions XXVIII I thought this was the most disappointing match of their series in '94. Since in actuality I had never seen the Bash match before I was basing my opinion of this program totally on this one match. While I have found that I have changed my opinions on a lot of things throughout the years, I still found this match tepid at best and totally heatless until the last couple minutes or so. One thing that was not their fault was this was WCW's camerawork at its most atrocious long shots of Heenan, the Blacktop Bully and a random shot of the stage at one point. The Bash match had a more woven story with Austin cheating at every single corner and eventually finding a trick that worked (feet on the ropes). Consequently, if he gets DQ'd this time around he will lost the title. However, they don't really play up the stip outside of a couple of almost throws over the top rope. Even without working the stip, there was not much in the way of action or story. If you have both that's great, but this match really didn't have either. I thought the first match was jammed with action and wrestled with great energy and the second match they blew themselves up, but saved themselves with a great story. This time around I thought they made a conscious effort to slow themselves down, but nothing really happened. They never really built up heat one way or the another until the end. It was a pretty boring shine sequence with Austin just doing a good chickenshit heel routine (he pulled my hair, bitching out, eye poke). They just chop each other and trade nearfalls a lot. It was a workrate match without spots. The crowd finally gets into it when the Dragon crotches Austin and taunts him. Of course, Austin hits a super gourdbuster only for Steamboat to catch with a chop off the top and then Steamboat crashes and burns on a splash. Somebody build momentum! Austin's slaps were pretty lame. He needed to go to Jericho school of the slap-taunt because he was just flailing his arms at Steamer. He looked like me when I was 7 against my dad. Steamboat no sells and rattles off a series of nearfalls before catching Austin with an inside cradle. I will say Austin trying to run away from the nearfall barrage only to be Electric Chair Dropped was the best spot in the match. Still, the match was just there and really did not do anything for me. It is not a bad match per se, just one where not a whole lot happens. ***
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WCW US Champion Ricky Steamboat vs. Jean-Paul Levesque - WCW Saturday Night 9/3/94 I do believe this is Steamboat's last televised appearance until his mini-comeback run and I think is actually Levesque's (Triple H) first major TV match. Given the video quality and his hair-do, Levesque looks like a skinny version of Lex Luger. You can really tell how tall he was in this match. Steamboat did a great job carrying him through the match and he sold his arm really well for the green as grass Levesque. I felt that Levesque gained a lot of confidence as the match progressed. He started off very tentative in his actions you could just tell he was not yet comfortable. Steamboat was working basic stuff and once they got into the arm work (Steamboat charged and should rammed into post) I thought Levesque did a great job working the arm in a convincing fashion lots of different holds and moves. You could tell he knew what he was doing, but he was not totally there in terms of interacting with the crowd and doing with confidence. He was still thinking about it instead of feeling it. Steamboat was making him look great with his arm selling and the finish really put Levesque over as he was in command, but Steamboat grabbed inside cradle out of a bodyslam. Levesque even got a post-match beatdown on Steamboat's arm. WCW, as usual, was in a time of transition and outside of a Starrcade match against Wright, I don't he got much out of his WCW run. Still, a very good performance given how new he was to the big time. Between his size and work, I would definitely picked him up and developed him as a talent. It is fitting in Steamboat last TV appearance he is left selling the arm as that's where his bread was buttered selling and making everyone look great.
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Sting & Ricky Steamboat vs Ric Flair & Steve Austin (WCW Saturday Night 07/30/94) This on paper dream match was a clusterfuck in execution. That is a little bit of hyperbole. Flair seemed interested in just shining up the babyfaces and Austin is the only one trying to have a heat segment, but he seems blown up again from running around with the babyfaces that he forced to sit in holds. Sting goes into Flair match mode where he is Superman in the ring and Steamboat seemed like the best wrestler in this one with fiery chops and selling for the heels. This confluence lends itself to a really good shine segment with Flair flopping around. I really liked Sting stopping his ten punch count in the corner to punch Austin and Austin stooges. Flair hides behind Sherri on the outside. Savage says et tu Brute? The announcers remind us that Sting missed the biggest WCW event in history because of a scratched cornea from Sherri. So Flair pokes him in the eye. He is able to tag the Dragon. Austin immediately tosses him out and plays a spirited king of the mountain. The Dragon will not be denied. That is the difference between Sting and Steamboat. Steamboat fights through the barrage and Sting no-sells. Both can be effective Sting just did it way too much ala Sting eats knees from Austin and no-sells Flair's delayed vertical. Now I think Flair called that spot so I don't think you can blame Sting for that one. In fact, I think Flair and Austin were not on the same page at all. Austin seems interested in having a straight Southern tag match and this really was rampant non-psychology from Flair (hey everybody has an off night). Sting absolutely whiffs on a cross body that should have sent both tumbling over the top, but no sold that and went after Flair immediately. Again, that is Sting sticking to the called spot rather reacting to what is going on around him. Hard to say if he is at fault. Austin burns through a series of falls with Sting and honestly think this may have blown him up. I liked Sting's press slam of Austin and he sells when Austin catches him low with a knee. Flair dumps him out to Sherri, who gets hers licks in. Again, heat segment cut short by Sting tag and Steamer chops everything in sight and a gnarly Flair Flip. They do their bridging/backslide spot. Yep, Flair was just trying to get all his shit in. Sherri and Austin finally start gaining some momentum for the heels. Keep Flair out! Actually, Flair does throw some nice punches and chops. There are plenty of good chops. The Center Stage crowd is raucous for the match that is really all over the place testament to how Sting and Steamboat are. Sting gets the tag while the ref was not looking, but of course he does not fucking care. He is The Man Called Sting! Of course, he press slams Flair. He is The Man Called Sting! Of course, he chucks Sherri to the outside and Flair is not there to catch her and takes the most hellacious bump of the match. He is The Man Called Sting! In the background, Austin pins Steamboat with a roll up. Just like his trunks said Just Win Baby! There is enough action and spots that it is entertaining enough. It is all over the place. Best way to describe it is an energetic clusterfuck. ***
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[1994-07-17-WCW-Bash at the Beach] Steve Austin vs Ricky Steamboat
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in July 1994
Where is that Matt D analysis? WCW US Heavyweight Champion "Stunning" Steve Austin vs Ricky Steamboat - WCW Bash At The Beach '94 Watched this on the WWE Network. While the quality was stellar, things were a bit touch and go throughout. They have not gotten it yet. However, Network problems be damned all the way from July 1994, "Dragon Slayer" Steve Austin and Ricky Steamboat still manage to kick ass . If they were somehow able to keep up the pace they cutting at the beginning, they could have had a match for the ages, but they went for too much too soon. They blew each up after the hot criss cross sequence that ended with a Steamboat sleeper and this resulted in an extended lull in the match. I loved how Austin immediately went for the knee and the Dragon knew he needed to fight fire with fire before he was fucked all the while selling the knee. Not every shot to the knee will immediately cripple you. Austin was bumping huge for Steamboat and somehow as his strategy blew up in his face he went to the trick knee. I really think Austin wrestled a really good internally consistent match. He went from jumping Steamboat from behind to the trick knee to the low blow to karate mockery to trying to throw him over the top rope to get DQd to pulling the ref in his way to putting his feet on the rope. I think I missed an eye poke in there. The whole match just reeked of scatter-brained heel desperation from Austin It was a truly incredible heel performance. It was like his motto was "If I cheat I can, If I cheat I can" The fact they blew themselves fucked up the rhythm so I can understand that issue with the match, but I think Austin's performance is the thread that ties everything together. These Steamboat matches are the first time I am really seeing a match being run through Austin and he really is exuding IT now. Steamboat gave his typically great selling performance, but I thought some of his stuff was a little off. I don't think the Pillman bump to the railing was well-placed as he immediately took over after it and I think he should have taken it to Austin more to justify Austin's chicanery. It was a tremendous finishing sequence and I can't decide if I like the barrage of nearfalls from March or Austin trying to get himself intentionally disqualified more. This one had a tombstone reversal sequence (even Linda Hogan popped for that!) and a well-built finish (Austin wins with his feet on the ropes). If I cheat I can, If I cheat I can and he did! ****- 9 replies
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An Era is not something a company can just declare to be over. I think it is more organic that. Well given how this WWE operate maybe they can have a more top-down approach to things. Regardless, the WWE can have a vision, but I think most of the Era are developed in combination bottom up and top down. That's why it is blurry when and where the Attitude Era ended and begun. It is no different than trying to understand different periods in heavy metal. Even though we are not in the Attitude Era, there are still plenty of holdovers from the Attitude Era: the scratch logo (which needs to go), the 20 minute promo to open up the show, wrestlers with full names and no real color. I liked the chaos and edginess of the Attitude Era, but it took away from some of the outrageous and ridiculousness that wrestling used to have. I feel like we still have not regained all the color we had back in the old days. That said this could just be the fact I am totally enamored with the 80s and no one really wants to have "color" back. Point is I don't understand why the Attitude Era being a term bugs you. Any era can be debated to death on when it started and ended and what is its scope. An Era is defined by the content and half the fun is the debate over the end and the beginning. I am at work and this post seems scatter-brained to me. So I apologize in advance.
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Ricky Steamboat vs Bobby Eaton - WCW Worldwide 6/4/94 Have these two ever wrestled a 10+ minute match? It would be a crying shame if this is all we got, but still a good match. Steamboat does some fancy armwork to wow the Disney crowd while Tony and Jesse do what would become WCW announcing's favorite pastime talking about what Hogan is doing instead of the match at hand. He had not even wrestled a match yet. Eaton gets a chopblock on Steamboat. In a nice touch, Steamboat sells, but still tries to maintain control by going back to arm work, but one of those sweet Eaton rights and a kneecrusher turn the favor into Eaton. The one weak point is Eaton's leg work just really consists of Eaton hugging Steamboat's leg, but The Dragon sells the hell out of it and even does the knee gives out on a slam attempt to put it over. Eaton hits a right all the way from Sweet Home Alabama to setup the spinning toehold, but Steamboat kicks him into the turnbuckle. Eaton tries to throw some rights, but the Dragon won't be denied and he hits a cross body block from the top for the win. It was a fun little 8 minute match. It is really worth it just to see Steamboat and Eaton finally lock up. **3/4 ----------------------------------------------------- Ricky Steamboat vs Arn Anderson w/Col. Robert Parker & MENG - WCW Main Event 8/21/94 Here is another matchup that was not exploited enough in WCW. I thought this was even better than the Eaton match especially since The Enforcer has some heat on him since he had just aligned with the Studd Stable against The Rhodes Family. Steamboat's arm work here is tighter and more vicious against Arn. I love him taunting Parker before dropping back on the hammerlock scissors. Anderson is also doing a better stooge routine than Eaton was. He has great facial expressions and him asking for timeout never gets old. The spinebuster is such a badass transition move. Anderson zeroes in on the back and Steamboat proves why he is one of the best faces of all time with his selling. Anderson's back work culminates with a Boston Crab and he just lets go, which is a pet peeve of mine. Steamboat starts to mount his comeback with chops while selling the back, but I would have liked a better transition then him just getting up from the Crab going back on offense. Steamboat looks like he is going garner the victory with a top rope cross body, but Parker is distracting the ref. Steamboat gets an O'Connor roll, but MENG kicks Steamboat in the head while the ref is distracted to give Anderson the win. I liked the finish put over the team aspect of the Stud Stable and gives them more momentum. This was a good TV match and I wish we had more Enforcer/Dragon singles matches to go with it. ***
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[1994-03-12-WCW-Saturday Night] Steve Austin vs Ricky Steamboat
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in March 1994
Steve Austin vs Ricky Steamboat - WCW Saturday Night 03/12/94 No. 1 Contender's Match Austin gives his best individual performance up until this point and The Dragon is on form to deliver a great match. I loved the opening chippiness from Austin. It really felt like two men trying to win a match so they could challenge Flair for the title He has really found himself in the ring. He is such a cocky bastard now. You can definitely see that edge he would later exploit to become a megastar. I really had not seen that spark until this match right at the beginning. In his podcast, he loves talking about the opening collar-and-elbow tieup will tell so much about how the way the match will go and think his wristlock and Steamboat's headlock were worked so tight that you knew this was going to be a great match. I thought they spiced up Steamer's headlock well they teased the bridge/backslide sequence and took a left turn back into the headlock. Or when Steamboat goes for his first highspot a crossbody, but Austin uses his own momentum to get a pinfall attempt. The transition to Austin's heat segment was a little vanilla just a headbutt, but the ab stretch had the fans going crazy. Again, they were spicing up the heat segment with great hope spots and cutoffs like Austin's badass spinebuster. Finally they kick into the crazy nearfall finish stretch that is a Steamboat trademark. You will be out of breath just watching these guys. Steamboat tries every pinning predicament in the book, but can't finagle a win. Eventually, Col. Parker in a pure Jack Swagger dumbshit move just interferes triggering the disqualification. I think DQ have their place in the world, but not in a No. 1 Contenders match especially when there will be no return match. They could have had Parker jump The Dragon after the match and then have Steamboat chop Flair by accident. Still, my God, they cut one helluva pace, Austin seems to have finally found himself, but The Dragon would not be denied. ***3/4- 17 replies
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Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
There should be a wrestling meme that is "Misawa's Elbow has [insert person] like"...then a posted picture of person in pain. Think it would actually be funnier if the person was not a wrestler. But I have none of the photoshopping skills to make this happen. So Misawa's elbow has Kawada like http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lys9w6Y4Ek1r8g8c1o1_500.jpg -
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Superstar Sleeze replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Shinya Hashimoto has the Dome rockin' against Ogawa in a tag match and the bittersweet end of Four Corners of Heaven and Vader are highlighted in these two blog posts... http://ridingspacemountain.blogspot.com/2014/02/rockin-dome-shinya-hashimoto-2000-2002.html http://ridingspacemountain.blogspot.com/2014/03/invader-demise-of-four-corners-of.html Tomorrow, I have my big blowout to cap off 2000-2002 in Japan. -
Definitely. I had both at ****1/4 and in the top 10 through 2002. Projecting out (this is with the rest of decade performing as well as 2000-2002, which is unlikely), you are looking at least Top 40 for both matches if not Top 25 from my rankings.
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Lets see what all hubbub is about William Regal vs Kassius Ohno - WWE NXT 4/10/13 There are wrestlers who when they are in a match it just becomes their match and it forces their opponent out of their comfort zone. When you watch a Regal match, you can't help but gravitate towards his performance. When I watch a Flair match, it is actually a pretty difficult for me to evaluate the opponent's performances sometime because Flair just does so much stuff. It is even harder for me in a Regal match because of how commanding he is in the ring. You will wrestle a Regal match. The only Chris Hero (he is Kassius Ohno for those of us who have trouble keeping up with the name changes as I know I do) matches I have are the live ones from ROH. To fully appreciate this match, I think I would need to have a better feel for Ohno/Hero. He did what he need to have a very great match. He zeroed in on his body part and he sold his body part well and uniquely. However, a similar complaint that I have with Cesaro at times (Cesaro isn't as bad and has more crowd-pleasing spots), he wrestles like no one is watching. There is just no interaction. Besides making some awful "mean", "intense" faces, there was just nothing. The manufactured intensity just feels so late 90s Nu Metal. It is lame. What makes it worse for Ohno is you have Regal giving a friggin' Emmy winning performance selling dazed and confused when he is on defense and I am going to fucking rip your fingers off when he is on offense. I wanted to get that out of the way because it is something that has been bothering me at times watching the WWE and watching the praise it gets. It still can feel too manufactured and sanitized. It is too damn self-aware is the real problem. Not to go off too much on a tangent, but I just watched the Wyatts/Shield from this past RAW in Chicago and for the first time since I can remember wrestling just seemed like wrestling. It did not feel self-aware, everything happened because two teams of three were trying to win a match. I am not saying every match has to be a chaotic, thrilling brawl where Rollins flies all over the fuckin place, Ambrose is an awesome lunatic and Reigns is Superman Punching bitches out of the sky, I am saying that WWE seems to be getting back to wrestling with interesting characters that motivated to win not have great matches. In this match, I think Regal proved you can have a very sound, "low-fi" match that can be a great match, but he just did not have the right partner to take this to all-time classic level. We should all thank our lucky stars that they did not make Brad Maddox a color commentator. Apparently, this is not just a teacher versus student feud, this is a blood feud, but they don't really explain the personal element. Regal's shine was really well-done. He worked the mat convincingly. He threw in a fun spot I love where he is jawing with the ref while mule kicking his opponent in the corner. Just tremendous. Ohno gets a knee lift to turn the tide and a baseball slide to the head to cement his advantage. Thus begins the first part of the psychology, Ohno is going after Regal's equilibrium and follows up repeatedly with kicks to the temple. Regal breaks out of his full nelson like anybody who has been kicked in the temple, he is pretty pissed and proceeds to try to rip Ohno fingers from their sockets. Additional psychology points because Ohno's finisher is a cravat thus finger strength is essential to the move. This is one segment, I thought Ohno really excelled was selling here. You have to verbal sell during finger psychology and he did. Finger are like eyes people just don't want those things fucked with. I am guessing Ohno is double jointed in his fingers, but that did not make it any less gruesome when he popped them in out of place. Double jointed people still give me the heeby jeebies. Ohno is able to create space by attacking Regal's head a lot. I did appreciate the laser focus on Regal's head especially the kick against the post and stomp on his head. Ohno sold the inability to apply the cravat well. Regal was giving a master class in selling in there. I don't think I have ever seen someone sell "the lights are on, but no one is home" as well as that. Discombobulated Regal still manages to throw Hero, but elbows to the head rock him on the Regal stretch attempt. Regal, on instincts, kicks out of a back drop driver and a big boot to head (great false finish). Hero goes for the Roaring Elbow, but Regal catches him first and hits a knee lift to head to win, which is a great payback spot. This is a great fundamentals match that features one of the all-time great Regal performances in terms of offense, selling and ring generalship. I am a sucker for body part psychology and thought each guy sold his body part well and uniquely. Ohno's performance lacked inspiration is my one quibble in a fantastic match. ****1/2 Am I the only one that liked Cesaro/Zayn III more than this match? It is nip and tuck, but I'd put Cesaro/Zayn over this.
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Superstar Sleeze replied to Jimmy Redman's topic in Publications and Podcasts
I wanted to know all the Shield matches I needed to watch because I literally only watch RAW (not even PPVs). Excellent resource for that. Thanks you so much. -
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Superstar Sleeze replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Finished my first installment on my Triple H series. It is not as tight as I want it to be, but that may be because I don't have all the data I need to draw my conclusions yet. Still I set down my hypothesis and feelings going into the match. Hell, there was actually one very good Triple H match in 1999 it was of course fellow Kliq buddy, X-Pac. I have always enjoyed that match. http://ridingspacemountain.blogspot.com/2014/03/my-time-rise-of-hhh-wwf-1999.html -
Finish up 2000 All Japan and I will be ready to move onto 2003-2004 (I cheated a bit and already watched 3/1/03 since the 11th anniversary was this past Saturday. Spoiler: Just as fucking amazing as I remembered). Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi - Champions Carnival 4/11/00 The point of interest in this bout is how Misawa works on top for most of the match. For a wrestler with as much offense as Misawa, you would expect him to work on top more often, but I have seen mostly work from underneath. Though I have found the wrestler who works underneath in Japan most likely wins thus since he won a lot it may have necessitated him working underneath. Reinforcing that conjecture is of course, Kobashi did win over arch-nemesis, Misawa in this bout. I thought Misawa was going through the motions in this match, which let's be honest is better than 95% wrestlers ever, but at the same time a pity. He has so much offense that the match is never boring, but he just is not wrestling with a panache. It is harder to discern with stoic Misawa if he is trying, but I feel like he was just there. He opened the match with a great array of aerial attacks that found their mark on Kobashi. In a HOLY SHIT~! transition spot, Kobashi hotshots Misawa off the apron onto the railing. He just lays in a beating on the outside to Misawa. Kobashi was definitely the more fired up of the two for this match, but that makes sense as he is younger and still hungry. Misawa starts coming back with a flying head scissors to counter the Kobashi powerbomb. It was nice to see struggle over a suplex on the apron as some of the match felt like they would use a facelock reset to move onto the next spot. Kobashi's selling and histrionics are the highlight in this match as he begin to take Misawa's best offense. Misawa may be peaking too soon and could the Emerald of All Japan be peaking too early in this match? I like the sequence of Kobashi hitting the 3/4 nelson suplex to level the playing field as he does not just pop up and do it, but rather earns it. I am a total mark for powerbombs onto the top turnbuckle and Misawa takes a wicked one. Misawa counters the Burning Hammer and begins to use his elbows to set up his finish stretch. Kobashi blocks Emerald Flowsion and only the ropes can hold him up. Kobashi hits a sleeper suplex for two and immediately follows up with an Axe Bomber and a Burning Lariat to get the duke. It is 2000 All Japan. You get a ton of high-end offense with a couple head drops with some Kobashi Fighting Spirit. It is good, but there is really nothing here to separate it from the pack. Misawa seemed uninspired even though it was refreshing to see him work on top. The only spot that really stood out to me was the Hotshot onto the Railing, which needs to be cribbed. It should have been a late transition spot for more impact in the match. This is a match that blends into All Japan portfolio, but still an entertaining watch. ***1/2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada - Champions Carnival '00 What struck me the most about this match was how they were still able to manage to add something to their matches even though they had been wrestling big time singles matches since 1992. This encounter would be their final encounter in All Japan and I believe their last singles match until they drew 52,000 to the Dome under the NOAH banner in 2005. This match felt a lot like Flair/Steamboat Spring Stampede '94 in that the wrestling is still great, but it just does not grab you as much as it did when it was fresh. Both matches feature enough new stuff and just plain fundamentally awesome wrestling that neither can be written off, but they pale in comparison to their past glory. Misawa and Kawada depart from their classic long build matches (even previous Carnival matches went 30 minuet Broadway) to deliver their version of a tight sprint. There is a sense of urgency that is not as present in their previous encounters to finish this match early. It stems from the fact that after wrestling each other for over a decade that they knew each other's moves so they only way to beat one another is to hit the move before the opponent knew what hit them. Kawada won the early slugfest with a back drop driver and from there on out just kept kicking Misawa in the face anytime he tried to string together a combination of offense. Misawa is able to finally get on offense because he quickly hits a Tiger Driver. I can't remember the last time Misawa quickly hit a Tiger Driver there is usually a lot of struggle before he can hit one. Same goes for his follow-up German it was explosive. Misawa crashed and burned on the frogsplash attempt. Kawada capitalizes with a quick powerbomb, but when he tries again, he can't. It is the element of surprise that is all they have. So once Misawa has time to prepare for the powerbomb he can block it or Kawada can evade the frogsplash. Misawa's roaring elbow after the stretch plum and Kawada's consequent sell are why this match-up is one of the greatest in history. Kawada regains the advantage when he catches Misawa with a kick as he is coming down. He just unloads with everything in his strike arsenal and cant get the pin with a brainbuster. The teased the Ganso Bomb, but Misawa headscissors out, but Kawada eventually hits the powerbomb and still can't pin Misawa. Misawa's back elbow has Kawada like Oh My God. The Tiger Driver only gets two. It devolves into an elbow versus boot match and Misawa wins that with a nice elbow combination. Misawa finally hits Emerald Flowsion on Kawada to win their last contest in All Japan. The urgency of this encounter makes an interesting addition to their canon. **** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitsuharu Misawa vs Vader - NOAH 12/23/00 This bout is not on the ballot to be voted on, but I thought since I had watched every other combination of these four in 2000 that I might as well watch this one. I thought this was surprisingly good given Vader's condition at the time. Yes, Kobashi proved you could still have a great match with Vader, but I thought that was a lightning in the bottle moment. They worked a smart match with Vader as the methodical monster and Misawa works on trying to deprive him of the use of his arm. Vader's verbal selling during the arm work really make the match and you really believe that Misawa can topple the monster by going back to the arm repeatedly. They begin with Vader casually flipping off Misawa. After a couple lock-ups, Vader spits at Misawa so Misawa flips him off!!! I marked out for that. Vader chucks Misawa across the ring in a German suplex. I love Vader. Vader just destroys Misawa in the corner. Misawa is able to evade one of his splashes and he grabs an arm applying an armbreaker, but Vader hammer punches out of it. Vader throws Misawa around again like a ragdoll and Misawa presses with the cross armbreaker. Vader throws a wild bear paw and knocks Misawa out. Vader always has a puncher's chance. Vader sells his arm like crazy really putting over the drama of the match since he can't make the cover after a Vaderbomb and has to do his Vadersault from the middle rope. The Vadersault from the middle rope was crazy because of the acceleration of the rotation was even more impressive. Misawa capitalzes on the injury with elbows to arm as Vader just yelps in pain. Misawa elbows Vader in the back of the head hard and then floors him with a elbow to pick up the victory. I thought this was a very strong outing from both with each playing their roles effectively. Vader is established as a monster. Misawa's gameplan is take out a limb and survive the onslaught. Once, he has him wounded he uses his trusty elbow to win. It was a great layout with excellent offense and selling from Vader. ***1/2
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[1994-02-26-WCW-Saturday Night] Vader vs Ricky Steamboat
Superstar Sleeze replied to Loss's topic in February 1994
Vader vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW Saturday Night 02/26/94) After watching a bunch of Vader from 2000, it was nice to see The Man in his prime in 1994. Vader kicked Steamboat's ass three weeks before this because he is Flair's friend I think. Vader has since had his return match with Flair at Superbrawl IV so Steamboat gets his grudge match with Vader as he gears up to challenge Flair at Spring Stampede. Who is this Steamboat and what did he do with nice, docile Ricky? Steamboat was out for blood in this match toppling Vader over the top rope with a cross body and then just going to town with chair, multiple chair shots to Vader. Of course, this causes the crowd to break out into a "Whoomp there it is chant". I love 1993-4 Center Stage, BABY! Also, I really dug the spot where Steamboat made Vader look foolish by running away from him and when Vader gives chase he ends up toppling over the top rope. Unfortunately, for our hero, Harley grabs a hold of him and Vader takes charge. Vader fucking chucks him back into the ring. That was not as much a suplex as he just threw. Here come the Vader corner punches. Outside of Flair, he has to be the best corner wrestler of all time. I prefer the opponent "slams" Vader off the second rope to the Vader misses sunset flip spot. With Vader's size, you have to get a little creative and transitions thus they don't always work. Vader is always game for selling (one of the better verbal sellers, a trait that served him well in Japan) and bumping. Steamboat slaps Vader around and comes at him with flying chops. He had the match won, but Harley had not yet been eliminated. I do think Harley overkill does happen in Vader matches, but I actually like it when he is taking bumps from Vader. In this match, he takes Vader body attack and splash. You know given wrestler's short-tempers and lack of understanding during miscommunications, Harley and Vader should commended on staying together through all that. Eventually, the ref has throw it because Harley basically becomes a participant in the match and the numbers game overwhelms Steamboat. The Boss is here to make the save to continue the buildup to their awesome Spring Stampede match. This was a really fun TV match and add in a especially spirited, fiery performance from the Steamer it adds some novelty value. ***1/4- 10 replies
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