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El Boricua

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  1. El Boricua

    WWE Royal Rumble 2020

    Really enjoyed the women's rumble, was rooting for Beth to pull off the win.
  2. Puerto Rico did have wrestling in the 1960s, although I don't know if any of that footage survives.
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    WWE Presents Crown Jewel: Halloween Pumpkin Spice Edition

    Apparently Cain was not one of the 20 on the charter flight, he actually remained behind with the others. I'm guessing Fury arrived and left separate from WWE, so it's still up in the air who else got a seat on the charter that left. If one of them was Rollins, I'm guessing his popularity in the locker room is going to continue to plummet.
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    WWE Presents Crown Jewel: Halloween Pumpkin Spice Edition

    Atlas Air also probably wants to keep their business in KSA. So it's also not out of the realm of possibility of themgoing along with the explanation just to maintain their business status quo. What's interesting is that the wrestlers that were stranded have not really said anything that would indicate it was a normal malfunction issue.
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    WWE Presents Crown Jewel: Halloween Pumpkin Spice Edition

    One potential wrinkle from all this is the possibility of suspecting that the stock sell-offs various WWE executives did in the summer could be stemming from the Saudis apparently not paying them. If that's something that turns out to have legs, oh man...
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    WWE Presents Crown Jewel: Halloween Pumpkin Spice Edition

    I think Flair and Hogan were on a different flight, Meltzer at one point tweeted that Flair had arrived to Florida sometime yesterday afternoon and I think Hogan was on that flight. Vince and Dunn appear to have left on Vince's private jet, but no word if someone else flew with them. Brock and Heyman of course left on Brock's private jet and made it to Smackdown. The word going around was 12 wrestlers and 8 key production people were the ones on the second charter. It's likely the wrestlers advertised to appear on Smackdown before it was known that the plane wouldn't make it on time. So the guesses are Reigns, Bray, Corbin, New Day, Revival. Kofi tweeted last night about landing in the USA, so that confirms he was on that flight. WWE tweeted a video of Cesaro from when the plane was refueling in Ireland, so he also was on the flight. I've also heard possibly Nakamura and Lashley, with Lashley being a weird one since he's on Raw. Not sure who the others are.
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    WWE TV 10/28 - 11/03 - 1 Year went by so fast!

    Exactly what I was thinking. If I were Fox I wouldn't be happy about this at all.
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    WWF TV Shows 1970s to early 1990s (pre-Raw)

    Decided to read this thread (nice to see you around Parv) and came across the mafia tangent... Adding a bit to that tangent: Specifically the question as to why would Miguel Perez Jr. and Savio Vega be there at the funeral, it's likely due to the personal relationships involved. Two scenarios come to mind (neither necessarily having to do with mafia ties) and it could be a combination of both: Miguel Perez Sr. was Antonino Rocca's tag partner and a mainstay in New York for several years. He also was a key player of CSP/WWC for the first ten years of it's existence, so it's likely that Perez Sr. and Monsoon knew each other well. So it's possible Perez Jr. may have also gotten to know Monsoon because of this or he may have gone on behalf of his father. Savio likely accompanied his friend/travel buddy, or... They both went because they were close with Victor Quiñones, who was apparently Monsoon's godson. To be honest, I think "shady shit" pretty much applies to most wrestling promoters (I know what you're alluding to specifically with Colon, but don't want to derail the discussion going there). Monsoon did not have his stake when he died, although I don't know exactly when he sold or transferred it. My guess is probably by the late 80s and likely was the stake Victor Quiñones would say he had in CSP. By 1995 or 1996 Jovica and Colon would declare bankruptcy for CSP and reincorporate as WWC which would have negated any CSP ownership stakes from other parties. Never had heard the % of the stake before, wondering if you remember where you read this (just to know the reference source). I've always heard (and could be mistaken) that Brody got blackballed because he ran afoul of Monsoon, either because of a fight they had and/or taking liberties with his guys (one of which was Jose Gonzalez who was not listed in your rundown of Puerto Ricans with a lengthy stint in the territory). Considering Monsoon's position in the territory, not the person to piss off. Although Puerto Ricans being a fixture in New York probably goes back all the way to Miguel Perez Sr. and the huge migration of Puerto Ricans to New York in the 50s making it a desirable demographic to appeal to. After all, wasn't West Side Story basically Italians vs. Puerto Ricans.
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    The Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    The show is well put together and does a great job in getting across the emotional and human elements of these stories.And, although in several cases there isn't really too much new information presented, the target audience isn't really people knowledgeable about the subject, these are more for people not really aware about the topics presented. But this sentence reminds me of something I've noticed about the comments made across the Internet about the different episodes and how good or terrible they are. It seems to me that, for the most part, what determines whether someone finds the episode to be good or not as good is related to how easily they can spot the misinformation or BS being passed off in the stories told by those being interviewed. It's most prevalent for the Montreal episode, a subject that has been covered so many times and more in-depth elsewhere that it's easier for people to spot when something isn't correct. To a lesser extent, I've seen some comments about the Von Erichs were some issue is taken with how certain things are presented. Makes me wonder about what information in the topics I'm not familiar with falls into this area. Also gives some pause when you realize there are people not familiar with these topics who will just take everything presented as the face value truth.
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    The Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Completely agree with both your points. That just underscores that you can't take any one account at full face value. Especially when, even if there are good reasons for it occurring, there are things that are verifiably incorrect included in the accounts. That doesn't invalidate everything else in the account, but it is a reminder that one should be more wary in just accepting as is every detail given by any account. And also agree with this. It's those consistencies across different people's accounts that are likely to be more credible (well, as long as there wasn't an agreement beforehand about what story to tell). That, and it's important to place the accounts into the proper context both in place and time. All that said, it is important to remember (and I say this mostly as a reminder to myself), that the discussion of what may have happened doesn't change the end result of what occurred and the effect it has had and continues to have on the people that it impacted directly. A man died in a senseless and violent act, and it's something that can't be condoned. That is ultimately what matters, even if I am getting tired of both the extreme hagiography and extreme condemnation that tends to envelop any discussion of this horrible incident.
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    The Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    That part was one I found over the top and absolutely felt like it was played up for the cameras for the reasons you mention. To be fair, Atlas has been consistent on several elements throughout his different accounts through the years (or as Bix notes the gist of his version has been the same) and these elements tend to be consistent with other people's account of what happened. But consistent doesn't necessarily equate with accurate or reliable, particularly when one part of his account is clearly and verifiably false. This may be due to Atlas conflating something that happened at a different time or something that he added at some point to the telling that he's retold so many times that he believes it to be true, but knowing that he's been mentioning this since the 2005 Mooneyham interview (at least to my knowledge or what I've been able to find, I don't think he had included this detail in his account before) and that it is just flat out wrong does give me pause in taking everything at face value. The parts that line up with other people's accounts are more credible to me, but it's a little harder for me on the parts that are just from his account (particularly with the polishing up throughout the years). If you watch or read his accounts throughout the years (at least since he stopped not wanting to talk about it), he does have a tendency to polish up the account as the years have passed with details he doesn't mention before (here it is the banging on the operating room doors, before this in more recent accounts it's the spending the night on the beach which he mentions here as well). As with all accounts, it's those inconsistencies that make it hard to wade through everything and know what's true, what's speculation and what's just bull. An example is the whole Abdullah calling the meeting part. Atlas has for years said Abdullah called the meeting, and I don't know if this is the first time someone actually asked Abdullah about it, but Abdullah says he didn't. Most people are saying Abdullah is lying or full of it, but I actually believe Abdullah may be telling the truth. Why would he call the meting if he owns a stake in the territory and is good friends with Carlos? The only reason that makes sense would be for damage control, but I don't think he'd be spearheading any meeting that results in going to the cops. Also, both Abdullah and Barbara Goodish state that they encountered each other in the airport. How does that timeline work if he's calling for and is at that meeting but also leaving town and runs into Barbara at the airport? And Dutch in his 2000 written account does say there was a meeting that afternoon and he lists the people that were there. Abdullah isn't one of them. But since Atlas has been claiming this for years, it's believed Abdullah is lying now even though I'm not sure if anyone has asked Abdullah before about calling the meeting (and if you take Dutch's account into consideration, that one would back up Abdullah not being at the meeting). That is significant. I think the popular suspect has been Jim Cornette, but I guess we'll finally find out.
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    The Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    The Gino Hernandez episode is the one that interests me the most. Gave the Brody one a watch, absolutely no new information in it. Weirdly, I actually thought Abdullah was being genuine for the most part. Dutch continues to be Sgt. Schultz about the whole situation, and there's always some details about Atlas' more recent versions of what happened that make me not take at face value everything he says. There's some other stuff out there in Spanish beyond what Savio says and/or speculates on (by his own account he was last on the scene after the whole fracas went down), which doesn't line up entirely with Savio's account (but then again, no versions line up with each other be it in English, Spanish or whatever other language). Hard not to be cynical when the people talking only really started doing so once the get paid to do shoots era started. Still, this remains a horrible incident and there will never be a straight answer of what happened.
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    Place to Be Podcast Thread

    I'm a bit behind on the shows but just wanted to comment on the 89 rumble show. You know who I think would have made a good winner instead of Studd (and I know it's a bit in hindsight)? Brutus Beefcake should have won it. I'm being completetly serious. Considering how they positioned and used him going forward, this could have been a good start to that push to the next level.
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    Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

    Just a quick correction, the PR wrestler El Cuervo was the victim of the attack. And apparently it happened because the guy in the ring was upset over some chair shots he felt were stiff. It's an understatement to say that this incident has a lot of people furious and calling for Angel o Demonio's head. Cuervo needed emergency surgery to remove clotting from his brain and nobody knows yet what the prognosis for recovery is. He's going to be stuck in recovery and rehabilitation for quite a while in a foreign country. They're going to do a benefit show Thursday in Mexico and I imagine other things will pop up in terms of setting up help, but this incident is just absolutely heinous.
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    Room 101 - PPVs or TV show episodes

    Over the Edge 1999 for the obvious reason. I'll think of some possibilities due to wrestling or booking decisions.