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I did not enjoy his later WCW run at all. I think if you want to talk about guys who "made the most out of the least" in WCW in 2000, there are other guys that spring to mind. Off the top of my head: 3 Count, Lance Storm, "Above Average" Mike Sanders and some of the other Natural Born Thrillers, Chavo Guerrero, and Booker T. The booking and storylines were god awful, but l felt like they generally worked hard to wrestle good matches and get themselves over. Douglas might've been shackled creatively, but, at the time and on re-watch a couple years back, he struck me as a guy who - like Konnan, for example - wasn't putting forth much effort. I'd almost call it "hangover wrestling": doing the bare minimum, same ol' shit, going through the motions at 75% speed. I'm guessing he knew that he'd not be welcomed back to the WWE so, unlike Chavo or the Natural Born Thrillers, he wasn't auditioning for a job when WCW went down. Still, if you're looking at the few highlights from WCW 2000, I'd look elsewhere personally.

I had not seen any episodes of the show before today and started with the Herb Abrams one. I thought it was cool - but I'll also readily admit that part of what drew me in was that I didn't know all that much about the UWF. I'm looking forward to watching the Dino Bravo, New Jack, and Schultz episodes too. My friends have all told me that the Benoit and Snuka episodes are great, but I feel like I already know those stories. Ditto for the Screwjob. I also think, to a "non-fan" or even someone like myself who didn't witness it first-hand (I was 6 when it started), they did a good job of spinning things to how the UWF could've been a success - except it was run by an out-of-control cokehead and, if you scratch at the surface, it was already clear that in 1990, most of the "big names" were well past their Sell By date. We have hindsight too, though. And, really, if you think of what Paul Heyman was doing in 94'-95', he also brought in a bunch of these stars to buoy ECW's cards. If you picture it the way a non-fan would, someone who didn't know where these talents were in their particular careers, its amazing to think that there was a wrestling company that featured Cactus Jack, Andre the Giant, Jimmy Snuka, "Dr. Death" Steve Williams and Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy, Bam Bam Bigelow, and Sid VIcious. In a mythical world where all these guys were 100% healthy and at their prime, its a real-life video game of outlaw bad asses. I think that's maybe what Foley was implying when he said the UWF had star power and he's not wrong.

The topic of the validity of The Last Dance is much more interesting than talking about RAW, but I totally get it if this comment is deleted. I see the documentary as being mostly focused on the NBA and the Bulls and obviously Jordan (as the biggest NBA star ever who played for the Bulls). I'm only now finishing Episode 5, so I'm not sure what is covered in Episode 6, but if it does eventually get to Jordan's divorce - widely reported to be based on his philandering and gambling - then that will kinda discount Ken Burns' criticisms. But even if it doesn't delve into that highly personal realm of Jordan's life, I'd still consider the documentary to be fairly objective and a great representation of the real subject - which is the sport of basketball, the NBA's rise in the early-to-mid-90s, and Jordan's role in that world. I don't think the producers of the film set out to make a film that gave equal weight to Jordan's on-court/off-court career. They could've, but they didn't. To me, it'd be the same thing if someone wanted to make a documentary about The Rock or Austin in the 90s. You have to choose what your theme and subject is going to be and, remember, much of this archival footage is coming from an unfinished (?) documentary about the Bulls' last season together. They weren't necessarily filming the team hanging out and getting into mischief at bars and clubs. I wouldn't expect a 10-hour documentary about Steve Austin's career and impact to discuss spousal abuse and divorce and all that muck until around hour 9, when his life went off the rails. And then I'd expect Hour 10 to basically rebuild his image as a guy who has turned his life around. I expect the same out of The Last Dance and I don't think that's "cheating" or "spinning" things to an egregious amount. Its storytelling. Ken Burns makes highly objective documentaries, but, man, they can also be some of driest, most boring slogs to sit through. His criticisms are valid, but to me, they're a bit unnecessary and misguided. There's too much propaganda on cable (*cough* Fox News *cough*) for him to damn a sports documentary that intentionally focuses on the basketball life of the greatest player of all time and does, multiple times so far, make sure to get in some shots at His Airness as well. (Seriously, Jerry Krause seems like a bastard, but Jordan's comments directly to him are also pure bullying and don't seem at all playful. Almost to the point that Krause becomes sympathetic.)

And I'd just add too that the reason it felt like Roman Reigns was getting "forced down our throats" was because, as others have alluded to, the WWE did an awful job with his return. Him coming out and getting a title shot against Goldberg just by saying "I'm next" did feel undeserved. I know its a different era and blah blah but when Warrior challenged Hogan at WrestleMania VI, but that didn't feel undeserved because Warrior was coming off a monster year and was built up as the most logical challenger. Roman Reigns, upon coming back in February 2019, was in a largely forgotten feud with Drew McIntyre, got paired with and essentially overshadowed by the Undertaker in a tag match, did not even appear at SummerSlam, was kept out of the title scene for months, feuded with Baron Corbin for much of the fall and was part of a 10-man match at Survivor Series (where one could argue the real spotlight ended up being on NXT and Keith Lee), all leading to a Royal Rumble appearance where he was overshadowed by an all-time great Lesnar performance and the return of Edge. You could say, "Well, he was the Rumble runner-up!" and all, but so was British Bulldog once. 2nd place is the first loser. So, when it was time for Reigns to challenge Goldberg, of course the audience shat on it. The company had spent the previous 10 months keeping Reigns in upper midcard purgatory but not really giving him any credibility or truly pushing him. A guy on a hamster wheel is not engaging or captivating and pushing him right into the title picture just slaps the audience in the face by admitting, "Yeah, basically, nothing matters and we can insert Wrestler A into Slot B whenever we choose because there's no such thing as momentum." To be honest, for similar reasons I'm not a fan of the Drew McIntyre push, but at least they gave him the Rumble win and I will admit that, by comparison, he is "fresher" than Reigns. EDIT - And, once again, someone else (this time sek69) has basically said what I wished I could've wrote in a more concise and better way.

Yeah. That Ziggler match and the Ambrose feud are what I consider the turning point when it went from 20% of "smart" fans feeling he was overrrated and overexposed to where it is now - which I'd say still is less than half but much closer to 50%. The Ironman Match was absurd. Just to remind everyone - Rollins, the babyface, took a 2-0 lead early and then mocked Ziggler (making Dolph sympathetic for some reason). The crowd, rightfully, shat on it by counting down each minute Royal Rumble-style and making a buzzer noise. The next day (or hours later), Rollins called the fans' reaction disrespectful on Twitter. A couple months later, the crowd chanted "This is Boring" during Rollins/Ambrose as their non-TLC match at TLC underwhelmed. I don't remember if Rollins went and cried on Twitter, blaming the fans for not appreciating a shitty match, but it didn't matter by this point. The Rollins/Ambrose feud stunk but there was a belief that, in the ring, these two guys had the chemistry and ability to make everyone forget all that. They did the opposite. Ambrose's over-the-top hygeine promos are actually the only thing anyone remembers from that feud and while the memory isn't necessarily good, the fact that he did those promos and then, months later, went on TIJ and admitted how shitty is was and how he knew it was creatively stupid, the whole ordeal helped birth (or rebirth) Jon Moxley. To me, those two programs sunk Rollins. He's supposed to be a "super worker" but he has the worst Ironman Match maybe ever. He's supposed to have great chemistry with his friends, but he stinks out the joint against his best friend. At the time he was supposed to be a fan favorite, but when he gets booed, he cries on Twitter (can you imagine Cena doing that? Cena got "You Can't Wrestle" chants for years and either no-sold them or turned it to his favor by stealing the show with "sports-entertainment"*). He's also never been a great promo. Rollins will always have his fans because he's been pushed into that position. He is every bit this generation's Triple H. He was never a star in his own right. He got over due to his work as part of a group and his ability to be "The Guy Who Makes Money With The Guy Who Makes Money." Seth Rollins' greatest feature is that he can be inserted as a foil to just about anybody because he has no real character of his own - and that means he's been able to spend a lot of time at the top against Cena or Lesnar or Reigns or Wyatt or even Sting without needing to carry any of the real weight. And when he did have to carry the weight - against Ziggler and Corbin - he flopped miserably. * Cena's performance at ONS 2 is just so unbelievably great.

- As much as I think it is one of the most amazing matches ever - by my own definition of what can be great wrestling, mind you - I wouldn't put Foley/Taker HIAC on the list. My qualm is that, as I believe Foley alludes to himself in his first book, going off the cage through a table was a spot he nicked from the first Michaels/Taker match. Was Foley's leap way crazier? Absolutely. But Michaels and Taker brawled on top of the massive cage, Michaels took bumps up there, he dangled from near the top and fell through a table. Foley added to the insanity, but Michaels/Taker was undeniably insane for the WWE at that time - which is I'd put that match on the list and not Foley/Taker HIAC. I'd also add that, after Michaels/Taker HIAC match, we saw the WWE move relatively quickly towards using the NWA/WCW/"classic" chainlink cage uniformly and away from the big blue bars of the 80s and first half of the 90s. (I'm not enough a historian to remember if they used the blue bars in the 70s.)

Its also one of those things where, kinda like Daniel Bryan being buried for months before winning the title at WM30, even if they do re-sign Drake Maverick and come out later and say it was all a work, I won't buy it. The WWE didn't have to cut Maverick or anyone, really, during the pandemic. Whatever Maverick or Logan or Zach Ryder were making, the WWE could've stomached those expenses. If Conor McGregor or The Rock decided they wanted to do a match, Vince would have no trouble finding the money to pay them. And they'd probably make more for a single match than what they pay these guys to wrestle 100+ matches a year. So if Maverick gets re-signed, it'll likely be because someone gets in Vince's ear and pleads Drake's case, arguing that this will be good PR. If they wanted to stage an attention-grabbing, multi-week fake firing "work" to get somebody over, I doubt it would revolve around the Cruiserweight Championship and have Drake Maverick at the center of it.

In response to the anonymous accusations filed with the Orange County Board of Directors today and read for the public record, World Wrestling Entertainment issued the following statement to PWInsider: "These accusations aren’t true. Employees know they can confidentially go to Human Resources, not the public. Notwithstanding the appropriate protocol, no one would be fired if they were uncomfortable with their surroundings. We’ve made accommodations for individuals upon request." (from https://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=135788) ------------------- The WWE's response is so cartoonishly evil it's funny. Like, I can't read it without imagining Conan O'Brien doing it in a sarcastic, mocking tone with wild eyes. Even if you take it at face value, it is an awful quote. "Employees know they can confidentially go to Human Resources" - Uh, yeah, and they know that they will possibly lose their job or be strong-armed into continuing to report to work. That's why they made it a public comment. That sentence doesn't their case at all. Neither does "Notwithstanding the appropriate protocol," which reads like victim-blaming. Also, kinda hard to say nobody would be fired for criticizing or going against the company's wishes after the biggest day of layoffs in what? A decade or two? Ever?

- With Lars, it may also be the case that he's still not making "main roster" money or that, because they can add time to his contract due to his injuries, he's still seen as a "bargain." It could also be as simple as Vince being just high on the guy. We've always known that Vince is the decision-maker, but Arn Anderson's podcast has made it even more clear just how important it is to be one of his "his guys." - I would be shocked if Marina Shafir or Jessamyn Duke were cut. They're in the same boat as Mojo. Someone near the top - maybe not Vince, but probably Stephanie or Triple H - are wise enough to know that you don't cut Gronk's best friend or one of Ronda's close friends during a pandemic no matter how little value they currently have. - I know we talk about the wrestlers needing to unionize, but aren't the writers, cameramen, and other technical/production staffers not part of their respective unions? Like, if you or I - who are not part of the Writers Guild - were hired as writers, I don't think that work counts towards guild membership (which means we also don't make any money on royalties or anything for the characters we created - unlike Spike Ferestein, for example, whose used creating the Soup Nazi into his calling card). To me, those are the people that should be unionizing first - especially the cameramen and other technical staff - because there are already very powerful unions they could become chapters of.* Vince could fire the writing staff, Vince could fire the wrestlers, but what are you going to do without cameramen? Without the people driving the trucks? Without the people rigging the lights? Or am I wrong and all those positions are filled by union workers? * Not sure if "chapter" is the right word.

For me, watching WWE is akin to fast food or why I've seen loads and loads of Law & Order (every variety), Criminal Minds, and even NCIS and Blue Bloods. I know that there is better shit out there. I know the WWE is an awful company - like McDonalds is. Hell, NCIS and Blue Bloods are stuck-in-the-Bush-years conservative wet dreams filmed and put on primetime for viewers twice my age. Courtroom/police procedurals like 9-1-1 and Prodigal Son are formulaic garbage. But they take zero effort to watch, are very convenient, and are still kinda fun to talk about it. Now, I don't watch the weekly programming and haven't for at least 15 years, but I do watch the monthly PPVs (usually while on an eliptical - again, its a brainless way to not just watching the counter and think "When can I get off this thing?") and continue to go back and watch shows I've never seen. And if I'm being completely honest with myself and everyone here, part of it is because, on boards like these, I can't debate or speak on NJPW or the territory days or the indie scene or lucha libre or RoH or even AEW with any authority. And so it is much, much funner for me to talk about the WWE in 96' or 06' or 2016 than it is for me to talk about eras and promotions that I have no clue about. Like with music, I've just reached that age or part of my life when finding "new" things (even old things that are new to me) feels like work. And so, instead, I put on the new record by the bands I know I already love - Guided By Voices, Stephen Malkmus, Kurt Vile, Ty Segall - and watch Bret Hart matches I've never seen before on the Network even though I know there are vast universes that I am choosing not to explore out of sheer laziness. So the WWE gets my $9.99 which I'm no prouder of than the Double Quarter Pounder I ate earlier this week or the fact that I've seen more episodes of Franklin & Bash than Breaking Bad.

Shit like this makes me think that maybe I underrate Seth Rollins and that he is secretly a great heel. And then I see him "in character" on RAW or PPV and realize, no, he's only accidentally a great heel IRL and that, when he's "in character," he's just flat-out boring.

Yes, let's not forget that at one point, regardless of what one thinks of his talent, Zack Ryder was one of the top 5 babyfaces on the roster and got over organically. There was money left on the table with him too. Wrestling fans have long memories and, not dissimilar to Luke Harper or Dean Ambrose, many fans view him as a guy who was "held down." There are a dozen guys one could name who either aped his gimmick in the past or are still aping it today. Plus, from the podcasts I've heard, he's well-liked by his peers. I wouldn't call him a "game-changer" at the level of Rusev, but Zack Ryder is definitely worthy of another look by AEW, Impact, etc. Edit: And I'll throw Ember Moon and Sarah Logan onto that list of "should-be signed" talent. Solid in-ring skills, not at all overexposed, and unique looks...they're no-brainers for AEW if you ask me. Again, not game-changers, but you could do far worse in filling in your women's division plus because they were barely used on WWE TV, Logan and Moon don't feel at all like WWE castaways to me.

One theory I heard floating around (and someone would have to do some investigating to figure out the timeline) is that Bryan and others were flown in to Florida to presumably tape a month's worth of shows leading up to Money in the Bank. Then, with wrestlers already en route, Vince dropped the bombshell that they would actually be going live and having weekly shows. Maybe Bryan or others will find a way to get themselves "written off" after a week or two, but who knows what carrots and what sticks Vince is using right now. There's also been some scuttlebutt about whether going live is being demanded by USA/Fox and, if they breach it, could be opening themselves up to some sort of re-negotiations that would be bad for the WWE. I can see Fox and USA and Vince all wanting to go live as it would be a major coup to be the only live entertainment broadcast going on. Of course, as Mania showed, the issue is that without a live audience and the fact that nobody believes wrestling to be legitimate, its doubtful any new fans will be entertained or drawn in by WWE programming over the myriad of options they have elsewhere. Being the "only game in town" just doesn't work if "your game" sucks. Ironically, if one looked at the most universally lauded aspects of WrestleMania, they'd find that going live is not only the unsafest, most short-sighted way of creating content, but also the exact opposite of what people want to see right now. The only complimentary things written about Goldberg and Lesnar's matches were back-handed; Every mainstream website - and quite a few covered WrestleMania this year - either ignored that these matches took place or forgave the WWE for them because "they just needed to get them over with." Meanwhile, the highly-produced Boneyard and Firefly Fun House matches generated more buzz than anything since Ronda Rousey's debut. While replicating those types of matches on a weekly basis may be going too far, one of the WWE's greatest weapons has always been their production department. Just about any documentary you could find on the WWE Network right now would make for better content than whatever the WWE is going to try to present live (which was arguably true before the pandemic). And they don't need to risk a single person's life to do it.

At WrestleMania, the RAW Tag Team Champions defended the titles against a team that had never wrestled as a unit before that included one guy who had only had 1 main roster match under his belt and another guy who 90% of the audience couldn't pick out of a line-up. So, yeah, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I signed us up and it looks like me and you are now the number one contenders for the RAW Tag Team Titles. That's just the way it works now. Also - someone catch me up. They're doing a tournament to find an Interim Cruiserweight Champion? Why? Its like one of those "If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to see it, does it still make a sound?" thing. It goes, "If the Cruiserweight Champion got injued tomorrow and they decided to hold a tournament, can you even name who that Cruiserweight Champion was?"

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If the rumors of what he was going to offer The Young Bucks is true then, yes, Vince McMahon is willing to spend lots and lots of money on folks he most likely doesn't see any appeal in.

I'm not sure you meant your comment to come off the way it did, Slasher. Roman and Goldberg were building their match in late February when we (meaning the US) was still not focused on Covid-19 at all. I live in Ohio and we are considered one of the leading states in how quickly we shut schools, restaurants, etc. down and we didn't do that until March 16th. It wasn't a matter of Roman Reigns "changing his mind" and pulling out of the match. New information came out and Roman Reigns (correctly) decided that taping a wrestling match wasn't as important as risking the lives of himself and his family. "The way he did it" was as professional and reasonable as possible. He wasn't holding up Vince for more money or spotted going on vacation during all this. As far as I know, he's been sheltering in place and practicing social distancing which is what everyone except essential workers should be doing. That being said, I do think you're right and Vince McMahon now sees Roman as having at least 2 strikes against him - (1) getting leukemia and (2) not "manning up" and competing at WrestleMania. He either has a 3rd strike for trying to start his film career or will get one soon enough if he continues to get roles in Hollywood (which I think he will because there is plenty of room in Hollywood for a guy that looks like a mix between Jason Momoa and The Rock but costs way, way less). It will be very interesting to see what happens this fall with Roman, but my prediction is that he will not be pushed back to that top tier and will instead hover just beneath it, kinda like where Dean Ambrose was.

Wyatt/Cena and Taker/Styles from this same show were matches where the wrestlers and producers had to make choices in terms of tone, pace, and, for lack of better word, "content." What is a Firefly Funhouse Match? What is a Boneyard Match? In my opinion, the choices they made were *brilliant.* Every single one. Styles/Taker mixed 80s B-level grindhouse with Tim & Eric with subtle costuming choices that cleverly winked at the inherent BDSM/homo-eroticism of pro-wrestling. (As someone said in the WrestleMania XXXVI thread, just look up "handkerchief code") Wyatt/Cena was even more bonkers, an abstract, non-linear acid trip through the story of John Cena. They made brave, risky choices when producing these matches and they all worked. Sadly, the choices that Edge, Orton, and the producers made in their Last Man Standing were all wrong. Every single one. This wasn't just boring, it was remarkably bad. And not "so bad-it's good" like Taker/Styles. It was noticeably non-creative and boring (a criticism that could never be levied against Cena/Wyatt now matter how much one might've found it to be too meta and weird). Okay. I should revise this. Not every choice was wrong. They did choose an interesting way to start things with Orton dressed as a cameraman, sneak attacking Edge, and taking him out with an RKO. Unfortunately, that initial 40-45 seconds was the only good stretch of the entire 37 minute match. For the sake of not going through every excruciating detail, I'm going to just touch on some of the terrible things that this match featured. All, again, choices that they made. - The Relative Silence. This WrestleMania will forever be remembered as the "trash talk" edition. With no audience, wrestlers were trash-talking left and right to help fill the dead air. The aforementioned Styles/Taker mini-movie had the best dialogue of any match (it may have had the best dialogue of anything ever filmed), but Flair/Rhipley and Bryan/Zayn also benefited from the wrestlers essentially providing their own running commentary. On the flip side, the SmackDown Women's Championship elimination match proved that Bayley and Sasha Banks may be the two worst actors on the entire roster, which is a shame because I want to like them so, so much. Weirdly, though, the most personal grudge match on this entire 7-hour show was relatively silent. The only match on the card begging for hammy over-dramatics eschewed them almost entirely. It wasn't that Edge and Orton didn't go big with their reactions - their facial expressions were taking huge bites of the scenery they wrestled through - but for a match built so much on intense verbal sparring, Edge and Orton not really having much to say to each other was such a huge disappointment. It was the wrong choice. - The "Spots." Few were expecting thumbtacks, flaming tables, or barbwire, but last year, Triple H ripped Batista's nose-ring out of his nostril. A few months before that, Randy Orton used a screwdriver on Jeff Hardy's earlobe during their Hell in a Cell match. On this same show, Kevin Owens and Seth Rollins showed just how effective the sound of violence could be with their use of the ringbell and chairs. Gimmicked or not (and, to be sure, some of these were more gimmicked than others), wrestlers have successfully found ways to make things look and feel legitimately dangerous over the past few years. The WWE's production department has also been no strangers to grandiose, cartoonish violence (as we saw in the Taker/Styles match, but also in unforgettable moments like when Big Show chokeslammed John Cena into a massive spotlight or when Orton tried to blow Cena up with pyrotechnics during their Ironman Match). So whether they opted to dip their toes into pseudo-torture porn or go with a huge set piece ala Looney Tunes, this match demanded violence. Orton and Edge chose not to provide any. Or at least not an amount close to what they should've. As they made their way through the Performance Center, there were countless times when someone could've raised the stakes and potentially maimed their opponent. After brawling in the empty stands, Orton and Edge spent the first quarter of the match in the workout area where there are presumably barbells, loose weights, ropes, kettlebells, and all sorts of other stuff that can crush your toes, fingers, ribs, or skull if used properly. No one bothered to even try. When Edge eventually did get some offense in, his big plan was to use an exercise machine like monkey bars to propel himself spread eagle onto a seated Randy Orton. As someone else pointed out, it looked like he was launching himself into position to give his bitter enemy a lapdance. This wasn't even the only time Edge got "hardcore" by swinging from a relatively low height and dropping himself onto Orton. At one point, in the PC's boardroom, Edge laid Orton on a "solid steel table" (whether or not it is "solid steel" is something I can't answer, but that is what the commentators referred to it as) and proceeded to climb above him and use the inexplicable mesh ceiling to drop an elbow on the Viper from roughly 2 feet above. This meant he was dropping an elbow from a shorter distance than he would if they were in a wrestling ring or on the ground. When they eventually got to the "storage area," they were surrounded by plunder, including multiple ladders. For some reason, Edge, whose signature match was the TLC Match, couldn't think of a single thing to do with any of them. The Con-Chair-To finish was the most violent part of the match and happened after 36 minutes of tedious brawling. This match needed multiple Con-Chair-Tos. It needed multiple punts. It needed fresh, creative moments of violence. It offered none. - The Other Audio Issues. I'm not sure if what we heard from the commentators was their first attempt, a second try, or an amalgamation of both. It is likely that Vince McMahon and the wrestlers wanted this match to have a deadly serious tone and having the commentators speak in such a somber way was their attempt to set that mood. Unfortunately, between their hushed voices and Orton and Edge opting not to provide much additional dialogue, the match sounded like a bunch of grunting and panting separated by the booming counting of the WWE's loudest - both in voice and appearance - referee. At one point, Orton even turned to the referee and told him not to count until he told him to. By that point, it sounded less like Orton wanted to dish out more punishment and more like he was just as annoyed by the ref's voice as the audience was. From the emotionless commentary to the distracting referee counts, this match was not just hard to watch, it was awful to listen to. - All The Small Things. There are a lot of things to mention and I've already written more than enough so I'll just rattle some off: * Edge's Spears have always been hit-and-miss. On this night, they were probably the worst he's ever done. * Here's a rule the WWE should probably stick to: If its a crazy stipulation match between two guys who are supposed to be trying to kill each other and people climb to a dangerous height, someone should definitely fall or be thrown from it. Especially if you have the ability to tape the stunt and make sure it is super safe. There was no excuse for neither Orton or Edge taking a bump from the top of that truck. * People putting other people in crossfaces still makes me feel weird over a decade after the Benoit tragedy but I sorta "get" the idea that wrestlers want to "reclaim" that move. Wrestlers using gym equipment to strangle each other is not something that needs to be "reclaimed." * 90% of the action could be described as "weak-looking punches" or "ramming someone into a wall." Even if you're not going to give us ultra-violence, maybe throw in more weapon shots. Like, there were boxes of office supplies in that conference room. Get creative, hit someone with a stapler or ream of paper for chrissakes! Make a mess of it! * Edge's facial expression at the end. What was that supposed to mean? This dude almost paralyzed you and then RKO'd your wife. You should have no qualms beating the ever loving shit out of him - which you barely did because this match was soft as yogurt anyway. And I must say, I actually feel kinda bad for Edge. This was his comeback match. He clearly gives a shit (Orton probably less so). They obviously went in and worked hard. I don't think all that panting was fake. They probably finished that match genuinely thinking it was good because, hey, it was a 37-minute fight. Unfortunately, it was also incredibly boring, had no creative spots, and didn't even effectively tell the emotional part of their story well. I'm almost wondering if they were "calling it in the ring" and didn't plan any of the spots because, well, there were so few spots in it and they're two "veterans" who "don't need a script, brother." At times, it seemed like Orton and Edge were legitimately looking around to see what they could use or what they could do but were simply unable to think of anything, like they just froze and Edge's instant reaction was "Well, I guess I can use that like monkey bars!" and Orton's response was "Um, where's the nearest wall I can throw you into?" If this was rehearsed, they should be embarrassed. If this was called on the fly, it should've been re-shot. As others have said, it is definitely in the realm of being the worst match of any WrestleMania ever and that covers lots and lots of ground.

I'm not sure. Boredom and curiosity have not helped RAW's ratings, which have been in the all-time low area and, unless you're already a Network subscriber or don't know how to subscribe and get your free month, you'd be paying a considerable sum of money to see this at a time when many Americans are wondering how they're going to pay their bills. Also, like the Rumble, many people watch WrestleMania as a group and turn it into a bit of a party. With people not doing that (hopefully), I just don't see this show getting too many eyeballs.

Is this the Dexter like Dexter from the Showtime series wrestler? And they named him "Dexter"? Its like having a wrestler who solves mysteries and calling him Sherlock. Or a boxer-turned-wrestle gimmick with the name Sly Balboa. Actually, no, Sly Balboa is an objectively great name and considerably better than Dexter Lumis.

I'm the first to shit on the WWE, but I don't think this particular angle is all that cringe-worthy. Maybe the bar has just been lowered so far down that this D- angle is looking like a solid C now. I also don't blame AJ Styles or The Undertaker for trying to make this matter and realizing early on that they were going to have to make things "personal" in order for this to have any flavor at all. Whether or not one thinks Style has "lost a step" in recent years, I'd argue he's still one of the more consistently great workers on the roster. Unfortunately, they haven't protected him at all and 2019 was certainly his lowest year in WWE in terms of where he was on the card. Now we're gearing up for Styles/Taker, but it doesn't feel like anything like a Dream Match nor does anyone believe this isn't just going to be a Taker squash with some pinballing thrown in. Even Styles/HBK would seem considerably lesser now in 2020 than it would've in 2016/2017 when Styles felt like a much bigger deal. I think they realize that and so they're pulling out all the "shoot" stuff because there's simply nothing else to draw on. The Undertaker is an old man. Styles is no longer in the conversation of being the best wrestler in the world in kayfabe. They had to go this route because they had few other viable options without building a time machine.

Its not that bad of a commercial...but Charlotte Flair being upside is just weird looking.

Yeah, I mean, if you're USA, you're seeing your numbers dwindle with everyone's eyes on cable news anyway. There is nothing, short of first-run blockbuster movies, that the network can air that will draw a number. But imagine curating the best 3-hour highlight show ever. Warrior beating Honky Tonk. Michaels vs. Taker. Austin/Bret at WM13. One of the Shield six-mans. Punk vs. Cena at MITB. Savage/Flair at WM8. Hogan/Warrior at WM6. That one DX/McMahons & Big Show cage match that was fun. The list goes on and on... I don't think this would pop a huge number, but again, what would? And it is 100% free to produce and risks no one's health. And, in a weird way, you might even have people stumbling upon it and watching it because, truth be told, the WWE's Greatest Hits are better than anything they could produce now. And I don't think USA would even be able to criticize it. FOX, on the other hand, probably does have the ability to say, "We want first-run shit" because they do probably have the power to air a first-run, family movie on Friday nights (for sake of argument, lets just say Jumanji II), but even they probably wouldn't protest too much in this climate.

I actually didn't hate this Rumble as much as others. Some things I liked that I haven't seen mentioned - - Obviously, there was a real lack of starpower and Savage is wasted. Wisely, they sped things up by having someone enter every 90 seconds. In 95', they'd cut it to 60 seconds - which felt too fast, but that Rumble also has even less starpower than this one. 90 seconds keeps things moving without completely ruining the gimmick or the idea that, if you were in an early entrant, you'd still have to put in 30+ minutes of work. It still feels like an actual main event. - The Rumble starts slow, but things picks up when Diesel shows up and there's no real lull from then on thanks to the efforts of Savage, Shawn Michaels, Marty Jannetty, Lex Luger, and Bret Hart. As someone else mentioned, Jannetty/Michaels have a great exchange, but there's also a handful of mini-moments between Bret and Shawn that showcase their natural chemistry. - The finish is obviously super memorable, but its the penultimate elimination sequence that is overlooked and underrated. Basically, Bret is working with Shawn and Fatu is working with Luger in the closing moments, with the heels dominating for a little while until the faces are back in control, each beating down their respective foe in opposite corners. It is almost like a tag match at this point. Then, with amazing timing, Bret and Lex simultaneously irish whip Shawn and Fatu out of their corners - essentially sending each other the guy they had just worked over. In a wonderfully timed spot, Luger and Bret hit mirror hiptosses to eliminate the heels to a huge pop. It is just such a clever way to go from 4-to-2 and it is executed perfectly, the kind of spot that wouldn't be out of place in a Midnight Express/Rock n' Roll Express match or something. Unlike so many other Rumble eliminations, which can be very contrived, I love how organic this sequence is.

As a Clevelander, I'm a homer for The Miz so I'm eager to hear the full story behind him possibly showing up to the PC with flu-like symptoms. I read somewhere that they were taking people's temperatures as they came in like many businesses are doing. Its possible that he showed up and felt relatively okay, maybe even thinking, "Oh, I'm just the usual level of tired of every other person who has had their daily work/exercise/sleep routine completely wrecked," only to learn that, actually, he was running a mild fever. For some that's hard to believe, but my wife once went into the hospital with pain in her kidneys and ended up being hospitalized for 3-4 days from an untreated UTI. She has a high pain tolerance and didn't think it was anything major, just a bug, going days just self-medicating with Ibuprofen until she vomited in her car on the way home one day. The doctors couldn't believe she was able to drive herself to the hospital. Granted, that event didn't occur during a global pandemic when everyone and their mother is talking about Covid-19, but the point is, some people treat flu-like symptoms as nothing serious (even in this climate). As part of my job, to prove a (very stupid) point, I once gave swimming lessons with the flu and got myself even sicker in the process.