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I felt the exact same way, but trust me, watch it. With that said, the match was great, but if I never see Joe again, I'd be okay with that, and the current incarnation of Finn bores me (yes, that includes the Demon and his "epic" entrances). I'm desperate for a heel turn and the Balor Club. On a different note entirely, everyone is expecting Bayley to get called up now, but I just don't see it. Stuff like this tells me she's sticking around in NXT for a while longer. True, she could get called up and still remain in NXT for the next Special, like Zayn and many others, but it doesn't feel like that to me. I guess we'll see.

Corbin did a good job of carrying Aries. Yeah, I just said that! Aries is one of the worst babyfaces I've ever seen, and has the single most punchable face in all of professional wrestling. Everything about him is designed to be a heel, including his ridiculous nickname, "The Greatest Person Who Ever Lived."

And you call my post nonsensical and delusional?! Get a grip!

Awesome, awesome show. The crowd was scorching all night, especially for Zayn vs. Nakamura. - Loved The Revival vs. American Alpha. My favorite part: When Dash or Dawson - can't remember which - crawled under the ring and came back out the other side to prevent a tag. So creative and cool! - Corbin vs. Aries was fun, but nothing about Aries screams babyface to me, except for his size. The sudden rollup wasn't great either. - Holy shit at Zayn vs. Nakamura. Did you see Zayn's facial expressions before the match? Almost like he was a fan and enjoying Nakamura's debut as much as the rest of us. Tremendous match with amazing crowd reactions. - I do fear for Nak on the main roster though. I could see Vince and Kevin Dunn not getting his "weird" mannerisms at at all. Wouldn't surprise me if he ends up wearing pink and blowing hearts out of a glitter gun on Raw. :\ - I heard that Izzy was there and cried after Bayley's loss. I felt like crying too. Asuka's smile gives me the creeps, which is the point, I know. I'm sad for Bayley, but Asuka is a great wrestler in her own right. I loved the video package before the match with the faces believing in Bayley but the heels saying she was toast. - I almost fell asleep during the main event, not because it was bad - it was great - but because it was already so damn late! - I'm glad Finn won. The matches have been good, obviously (especially this one), but this feud has done very little for me, and Joe as champ would do even less. Misc. - BTW, was Demon Finn supposed to be Texas Chainsaw Massacre? - Tons of blood all over this show...wow. The refs wearing gloves like Michael Jackson and wiping up blood was a weird sight, but I guess that's safer (although I'm not sure how safe it is to keep on the same gloves you just used to handle blood, then touch the wrestlers' faces later, which is what happened). I have a feeling this stupid policy is more to "erase" the blood from the match and keep things PG. But even that didn't really work, as the blood came back in every instance. - Bobby Roode in the crowd was cool, but I fully expect him to get a new name - and I hope he does, because Bobby Roode is an absolutely terrible name (I don't care that it's his real name). - Did anyone else feel sorry for Funaki? He didn't even get a graphic with his name when he appeared in the crowd. At least the commentators acknowledged him. - I hope J.R.'s presence means he ends up commentating Hell in a Cell on Sunday (preferably with Mauro Ranallo). WrestleMania has a VERY tough act to follow.

It was a fun midcard gimmick and he was over. Nothing more, nothing less. But people retroactively act like it completely sucked. It was fine for what it was and what the WWF was at the time. Oh, don't get me wrong, I have no fondness for the pre-nWo Hogan era of WCW. It was atrocious. I'm just saying, an actual singles match and feud was preferable to some of the random shit WCW did before and tried after. Battlebowl was okay but not fitting for what was supposed to be the biggest PPV of the year for WCW. And as much as I like the NJPW workers, Starrcade '95 wasn't ever going to get too many people ordering it on PPV because WCW never bothered to educate anyone about most of the NJPW guys.

Anyone catch Stone Cold Podcast with Foley? Fun hour, but kinda worried about Noelle becoming a wrestler and more than a bit surprised that Mick is okay with it. Austin was endearing as the grizzled old uncle type who was grilling her and clearly concerned about the prospect of her stepping into the squared circle.

Speaking of which, WWE has made such a big deal about Dusty - tribute shows on the Network, a statue, etc. - but very little in comparison about Roddy, who was by far a bigger star for WWE. I realize Dusty contributed a lot behind-the-scenes in his final years, but it's still strange that Roddy is barely mentioned or canonized the way Dusty has been.

To be fair, that describes Nikki (on the show) much more than Brie. Other than the drunken "Brie Mode" stuff, Brie is portrayed as pretty down to earth and level-headed for the most part. If anything, Bryan comes across as more of a kook than she does. Yes, I watch Total Divas every week - and I'm not ashamed to admit it!

Hogan's buddy and a genuinely bad worker, with plenty of awful gimmicks as mentioned. should be easy to see how that would do it! i'm in the camp that thinks he was approaching "decent" in early 1990 or thereabouts...he at least seemed more motivated. that disappeared for good after the accident though, and his 1993 comeback was especially brutal; Judy Bagwell's memory is correct on that promo, as he was going for sympathy but came off so poorly that someone in the crowd shouted "KILL YOURSELF!" Well, yeah, he was shit after the accident. But if one of the "darling" wrestlers was shit after an accident, injury, etc., everyone would still view their earlier contributions more positively. Brutus had a good few-year run with the Barber gimmick, even if he's too much of a butthead to realize what that did for his career. He was okay in the ring, very over, and had a good gimmick for the time and fed he was in. I know people resent the hell out of him for main eventing Starrcade in '94 or whenever it was, but count me as someone who liked the heel turn (was a genuine shocker, if nothing else) and thought the match could be fun. I wouldn't go as far as to call it a "dream match" but at least there was history between them. Obviously, the match sucked (or so I hear), but at least it was a real stab at a main event and feud. That, to me, is better than the random crap WCW had been doing with Starrcade in the '90s - Battlebowl before that and some weird NJPW tourney after that, when none of the audience had been educated about any of those guys.

I used the analogy because it's the same as what that poster is doing - imposing current standards onto something that had a different meaning, or at least multiple meanings, in the '70s and '80s. Exactly. People need to take historical context into account if they're going to argue about something. You can't just take 2016 standards and retroactively apply them to 1985. Characters in Twain's books owned slaves, which obviously isn't good, but you can't suddenly say Twain wrote them as villains when he didn't necessarily do that. It was a different time, with different standards and different perceptions. You can look back and say how backward those characters were by today's standards, but you can't say the author intended them to be bad people just because that's the way they'd be seen now. I understand not wanting to give Michael Hayes the benefit of the doubt because of Mark Henry and other incidents, but the fact is, the Rebel Flag outfits the Freebirds wore did not give them racist heat at the time. That was clearly not the intention back then.

It's not about right or wrong - it's about what perceptions were at the time. The Confederate Flag was on a hit TV show, on the Georgia State Flag, on the Freebirds' attire, and all over the place. That pretty much makes it an irrefutable fact that a ton of people were okay with it back then, and I refuse to believe all of them were racist. The flag had multiple meanings at the time. Now, it really symbolizes only one thing - racism - and therefore definitely isn't acceptable anymore. The Nazi logo was originally a Japanese peace symbol. Does that mean all ancient Japanese people were raging anti-semites? Nope.

It sure changed my mind about Hayes. I used to think he was a drunk, racist moron. Now I think he's delusional drunk racist moron, who dresses like Jack Nicholson in Batman. It sounds to me like you are predisposed to hate Hayes and see everything he says and does in the worst possible light. I thought he sounded pretty genuine, and I say that as someone who acknowledges that he absolutely came across as an obnoxious ass on some of the Legends Roundtables, etc. The Confederate Flag did not have the same racist connotations in the '70s and '80s. I'm not saying it wasn't racist at all, but for God's sake, The Dukes of Hazzard featured it on their show every week for six years - from 1979 to 1985 - and no one thought twice about it. It was a different time, and the Freebird costumes were part of that. Obviously, now it's a different story with the Confederate Flag - yes, today it's primarily used by racists to promote racism - but it used to stand for other things too. You have to remember the context of the time. It was even on the Georgia state flag, for crying out loud. All of that doesn't mean Hayes or wrestling should get a free pass - of course not - but you can't just slap 2016 standards onto 1985 either. As for the stuff with his daughter, he was just being honest. He could have easily exaggerated the story and used her to make himself look better - "look at me, I'm not racist." Instead, he admitted she never lived with him, etc.

Turning Roman heel won't mean jack-shit if he's still forced to deliver the same over-scripted, phony, stiff lines. Very interesting Instagram post, BTW, from The Rock on his own heel turn. Foreshadowing? https://www.instagram.com/p/BDjIXYSIh4N/

Why is Ed Leslie so hated? The Barber gimmick was super over, even if Leslie shit on it later like complete idiot and buffoon. In WCW, he got bad gimmick after bad gimmick after bad gimmick, but that's nothing new for them. You can also include Ray Traylor, John Tenta, Fred Ottoman, and many others in the same category. WCW was woefully inept - creative and otherwise.

I watched the Michael Hayes episode of Legends with JBL. It was surprisingly hard-hitting. He addresses whether he's a racist, goes into the Mark Henry situation, and talks about the Confederate Flag. He also tells a bunch of great stories about the Freebirds and shares a controversial theory about the death of Geno Hernandez. Plus, he's rocking an insane purple getup that only he could pull off. Really great episode, and I think it might change some minds about Michael Hayes.

Mick Foley for me. Can work any spot on the card. Always credible with his insane physicality. Great on the mic. Awesome heel and babyface. Would have been a big star in every era. I can easily imagine him vs. Bruno or Backlund, for example. Could also see him as a wildman opponent in '70s/'80s NWA. Obviously, we know how the '90s went for him.

No one cares about Hogan's racism or sex tape. (By "no one," I mean the general audience at large.) He'll get a huge pop if he returns, gives all the "evil foreigners" the big boot, and poses with New Day. Kind of an odd spot for him though - and for Rock, to be honest - so I don't see either happening. I think they'll both be there, but maybe in other roles... Could still see Rock getting involved in the Roman match. Even though that pairing backfired on them both before, family is family and blood is blood. Hogan entering and winning the Andre the Giant Battle Royal would be an amazing surprise and pop IMO - especially if it ends with him eliminating Braun Strowman, brother! "I picked up that 900-pound hillbilly, JACK, and broke every bone in my back, but with the power of the Hulkamaniacs and Hulkamania, I launched him right into the WWE Universe at Shea Stadium...I mean the AT&T Stadium, BROTHER!"

Your son Buff ain't doing much better, darlin'.

Don't know if I agree with this. Even in the GWF, it was Booker who got the big singles push in the end by becoming the North American Champion. Also, in WCW, Booker was the first to get a singles run, not Stevie Ray. I'm talking Booker's TV Title run, etc. - long before his World Title push. I don't think Bischoff's fetish for martial arts really played much of a role, when Booker was always the one who broke out as a singles, no matter where he was. I don't think anyone ever considered Booker a "martial artist" anyway - this is the first time I've ever seen that description of him.

And the Jimmy Miranda Warrior Award goes to... Joan Lunden http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwe-hall-fame/wwe-hall-fame-2016/article/joan-lunden-warrior-award-wwe-hall-fame-2016

I remember this guy from the PWI 500. At the very least, he had an amazing name.

Raven is another example. Left a plum WWF gig as a commentator/host/etc. to wrestle in ECW.

Eva will be far more over on the main roster than 95% of the current NXT roster, for two reasons: 1. She has a top five character compared to most of them. 2. She'll get more opportunities from Vince and Dunn than someone like a Tyler Breeze has. You think Blake and Murphy, The Revival, Billie Kay, etc. will outlast her once they're all on Raw? They'll be lost in the shuffle while Eva saunters her way to the top. Tell me I'm wrong. Deep down, you know I'm not.

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