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I was thinking about Daniel Bryan as someone who was good right out of the gate, but his trainer Shawn Michaels needs to be mentioned. He was really good right away. While I don't have proof, I've heard El Texano was great right away. Perro Aguayo Jr was really good too, though he had been training for years. Same with Rey Misterio Jr when he was wrestling as Colibri.

Really Don ran the city of Portland. He rarely went on the road, and when cards were booked that his brother or Sandy Barr (and later Sons Barry and Mark) weren't promoting. He'd usually have another person close to the office handle the box office. Washington was for the most part was Dutch Savage's with of course Don's approval. In all honesty Dutch should have opened his own booking office but Don had the NWA connection, so Dutch would have to get his roster elsewhere. Don had other interest and really by the 1970's had been working the business for 50 years so I'm sure his motivation was directed in other areas. He was rich, owned half of Eugene Oregon and I'm sure didn't want to put too many more hours in the business. Really from 1957 when Harry Elliott got control of Seattle, it became a very profitable promotion. And yes he booked wrestlers out of the Portland office but he ran the day to day business on his own, and had his own towns. But once again Harry was even older than Don and both had been involved with wrestling since the 1920's! Off topic some but can you imagine the wrestling a guy like Don Owen saw in his lifetime? When he started his dad was booking Joe Stecher and Strangler Lewis. And when he retired he was booking Scotty the Body and Steve Doll!

Figured I would post this here as I know there are some Lucha buffs here who may be able to help... For years I have read and see it posted everywhere that Eddy Guerrero made his debut in September of 1987. In fact many have labelled the September 18, 1987 match at EMLL's 54th Anniversary where he teamed with El Hijo del Santo to beat El Dandy & El Hijo del Gladiador as his debut. The date is correct but Eddy Guerrero did not debut on this event, nor was it Guerrero's debut as a professional wrestler take place on this card. He actually debuted in Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua Mexico wrestling on one of his fathers cards but I have not found the exact date of it yet. If I were to put an estimated date on his debut I would peg it at sometime in late 1985. The date for his Arena Mexico debut is September 5, 1986. I will post the card below. In Mexico, even with sons of famous wrestlers it is common for those to debut outside of Mexico City and gain some sort of experience before being exposed to a national out let. This was a major card as for years they would really build up the angles leading into their anniversary cards. They often advertised multiple cards as "anniversary" events. And this year was no exception as this card looks as strong as the actual 53rd Anniversary card that was held on September 19, 1986. The report on this card even mentioned that it was Guerrero's debut in the Cathedral. September 5, 1986 Arena Mexico DF Los Misioneros de la Muerte (El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro) beat Jerry Estrada & El Dandy & Talisman- Hair versus Hair Match Perro Aguayo & Villano III & La Fiera beat Fishman & El Satanico & MS-1 Cien Caras & Mascara Ano 2000 & Pirata Morgan beat Alfonso Dantes & Rayo de Jalisco & Lizmark DQ Kung Fu & Solar & Tony Salazar beat Gran Coshisse & Herodes & Hombre Bala Eddy Guerrero & Mogur beat Ari Romero & Guerrero Negro I also have results of Eddy popping up at Arena Coliseo during this time frame. Ari Romero was Eddy's long time friend and early in his career the two were stuck at the hip. The two had even had a well known Hair verus Hair match where Eddy took Ari hair in Juarez. If anyone has info on his exact date, post it here.

It depended on what time period your talking about. But the truth of the matter Don Owen had a percentage of the Vancouver office and during the 70's when Sandor Kovacs and Gene Kiniski ran the office Don had imput. During the 60's when Harry Elliott had television and booked most of the state, he started out booking talent from the Portland office but by the mid 60's was booking wrestlers from Vancouver. Harry had a very strong television contract with the CBS affiliate and it drew huge ratings so he was able to do what he wanted. Harry and Don knew each other since they were teenagers and both broke in under Don's father Herb. They had a falling out that few know about in the early 60's and believe it or not never spoke to each other again, even though they were "partners". Because Tacoma and Seattle are so close (30 miles) apart from each other. For most of the time Tacoma and Seattle were booked out of different offices, Seattle was booked out of Portland and Tacoma was booked out of Vancouver. By the late 60's to early 70's both Tacoma and Seattle were booked out of Vancouver until the mid 70's when. Vancouver started running those Washington towns on more of a spot show basis with Dutch Savage help handle it. Then by the mid 70's Dutch got a TV deal in Tacoma/Seattle and booked talent through Don Owen. Once Don and Dutch took Seattle over they really didn't handle the market like they should have. Prior to that Seattle was a full time office with Harry booking 6 or more shows a week himself. Dutch was only running two or three cards a week in Washington with Seattle going to bi-monthly and Tacoma monthly. Both of those towns had hosted weekly cards for the past 40 or 50 years, now they were just spot shows. And the Seattle side was out drawing the Portland business and the boys made more money working for Elliott than they did Don.

It changed over the years, but for the most part Vancouver was every Monday usually at the PNE Gardens. This would represent the early 70's Monday - Vancouver Tuesday - Chilliwack or Victoria BC and Seattle WA Wednesday - Burnaby (TV) Thursday - New Westminster or Tacoma WA or spot show Friday - spot show Saturday - Victoria or Cloverdale or spot show Sunday - spot show Later TV would change to Tuesdays.

Don Owen's Portland Wrestling was pretty simple. Saturday - Portland OR Sunday - Tacoma WA Monday - Yakima WA or Longview WA or spot show Tuesday - Portland OR (Tuesday special) or Roseburg OR or spot show Wednesday - Seattle WA (bi-weekly mostly) or Medford OR or spot show Thursday - Salem OR or spot show Friday - Eugene OR or Albany OR or spot show. Portland, Eugene and Salem were almost every week. Once in awhile Eugene moved to nearby Albany OR or into a high school due to Fair activities. Same with Salem OR. Seattle was usually twice a month on Wednesdays but there was no specific schedule like first and third week of the month. But was pretty much consistent. Towns like Longview WA was usually ran the first Monday of the Month.

It's actually a Norm Dooley formula. Norm wrote a great newsletter in the early 80's called Weasels World of Wrestling. He was buddies with Cornette and they often went to cards together. And Norm started doing a 1 - 4 stars, then they saw a Lawler/Terry Funk match and gave it five stars.

Being that I grew up on this territory and Dynamite was in during what may have been my peak fandom for Portland. I've always felt some of his best work was in Portland, much better than his work in Calgary. Felt as the heel working with Buddy really helped him build his character, heck watching Dynamite on spot shows working with Buddy or Curt Hennig was tremendous.

My attempt to post a youtube video is not working? When I typed the message and posted the video, I was able to preview it and it looked great. But when I hit the post button the video did not appear. I must be doing something wrong. Here's the link. Maybe someone can post them?

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Seeing this stuff pop up youtube.com brought back a lot of memories of watching this years ago on VHS. Idolos del Ring was a local tv show based in the Ciudad Juarez region of Mexico, which is right across the border from El Paso. There was a period of time when this was filmed that this promotion was on fire, selling out on a rather consistent basis. They use a lot of locals as well as national guys. This is also one of Konnan's first big break out area's of Mexico. Just a quick rundown for folks that are not too familiar with Lucha Libre. Wrestling in Mexico, moreso years ago than now was set up similar to the US with territories. You had your main national promotions CMLL and UWA and those promotions got the majority of coverage in the magazine because they were based around Mexico City. For years the two largest promotions did not air on television in Mexico City, but could be picked up in some markets (including the US) in Mexico. There was a lot of local promotions with television just like in the US that catered to the local stars. Since the stars of EMLL and UWA were featured so much in the magazines, and since there were dozens of weekly lucha magazines and newspaper coverage those guys were national stars even without television. If you've never been to Mexico there was a time when Newstands that sold papers and magazines on every corner and they all carried Lucha mags. This promotion was one of the local promotions, which for years was promoted by Eddy's father Gory. So the Guerrero name was a big name in the area. Eddy was the young up and coming star. [media][/media]

Yeah Lucha history is a little funny. Like you said the magazines have so much influence and it is a different mentality. One thing I do appreciate is their magazines have done a much better job of keeping accurate records. Course there are mistakes, like with dates being off (and these are printed in a magazine) but US magazines didn't even do that much.

Just a quick disclaimer...I didn't make the list, that was DJ Spectro lol. I'm sure a lot of these were opinions formed upon reading about the matches as I doubt he watched all of them.

The first wrestling VHS I rented was the 85' Great American Bash. Not only was I really excited about renting the tape, which BTW you had to reserve because the store would only purchase one or two copies. What also really excited me was the clerk knew my mom and so she gave me a couple extra display posters she had. One was the Great American Bash cover, the cool one with Flair standing over Nikita and Magnum versus Kamala. It also had Russians wrestling the Road Warriors and Dusty versus Tully on the cover. She also gave me a poster for Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome. Few years later I learned about a Japanese video store in Seattle that carried weekly New Japan and All Japan tapes. Plus a book store that carried the magazines. They also carried some of the commercial tapes that would come out. My buddy and I would rent a bunch at a time and dub them, but then after about a year of that I made a deal with the store to dub me a copy and sell it to me ($3.00 a tape!). Seriously I had years and years straight of nearly perfect Japan tapes. I stopped getting every week towards the late 90's but still bought a bunch when I found time. I was the kid that saved his money from mowing the lawn and other chores to buy a VCR so I could dub tapes. Then when the double deckers came out I bought two of those. Also got into the tape scene too, it's crazy that as a teenager there were tapes I would pay $25 for. No way I would do that today.

I do, but I don't always take stock into the popular "IWC workrate" criteria either. I try and take the gimmick into factor as well as how the crowd responds and other things. In another era guys where taught not to work the same, or heck even bump the same. And big guys were told not to bump, to save it so it'll mean something. They had a great gimmick and a lot of fire. They also made nearly everything they do mean something and it looked good. As a kid I didn't care if they were "good workers" in the modern sense. They were good workers because they made me a fan and I would not miss a Road Warriors match. I even loved watching their squash matches. They could work in the real sense of the word.

I posted this on another message board then figured some here would enjoy reading it. This comes to us from a 2006 edition of Luchas 2000 with DJ Spectro making the list. From the magazine I posted the date and the match/location, then I added some footnotes to some of the matches. Even made some corrections to dates as well. Since the list only reaches 2006 it may be missing a few. If you feel like adding to the list it could make for some interesting discussion. Remember these area only cabelleras versus cabelleras or hair versus hair match. So a match like the AAA/WCW When World's Collide match with Santo & Octagon wrestling Barr & Guerrero would not qualify. At times, I'll write little notes on the matches or events surrounding the match. Los 100 Encuentros de cabelleras mas Apasionantes 1) September 25, 1959 Arena Mexico (26th Anniversary) Cavernario Galindo beat Torbellino Blanco. Also on the card Espectro voluntarily unmasked to reveal himself to be Antonio Hernandez Arriaga, who is the uncle to AAA founder Antonio Pena. Cavernario Galindo is one of Mexico's most famous rudos. 2) May 20, 1964 Arena Mexico Espanto I beat Dorrel Dixon 3) July 30, 1965 Arena Mexico Ray Mendoza beat Karloff Lagarde 4) August 30, 1965 Arena Mexico Rene Guajardo beat Ray Mendoza Ray Mendoza had recently turned technico and fought his former friends of Lagarde and Guajardo. This match was a massive success as it sold out Arena Mexico and drew more than 150,000 pesos! 5) December 10, 1965 Arena Mexico Karloff Lagarde beat Cavernario Galindo On the same bill Huracan Ramirez took the mask of Scoprio in front of a huge crowd. 6) September 2, 1966 Arena Mexico Jerry London beat Karloff Lagarde This was EMLL's 33rd Anniversary and sold out Arena Mexico and drew 163,987 pesos and turned thousands of fans away. 7) September 30, 1966 Arena Mexico Jerry London beat Rene Guajardo During this era EMLL would often run numerous cards celebrating their Anniversary. This was another and sold out Arena Mexico. In fact this was the forth straight Friday night sellout at Arena Mexico. 8) June 11, 1968 Arena Mexico Black Shadow beat Dorrel Dixon 9) August 20, 1968 Arena Mexico Black Shadow beat Karloff Lagarde 10) April 25, 1969 Arena Mexico Ray Mendoza & Black Shadow beat Los Hippies (El Vikingo & Renato Torres) This was the 13th Anniversary to the opening of Arena Mexico. This was actually the semi main event to Rayo de Jalisco defending his NWA World Middleweight Title against El Santo. They drew 200,660 Pesos for a sold out Arena. 11) August 6, 1971 Arena Mexico Dorrel Dixon & Ray Mednoza beat Rene Guajardo & Katsuhisa Shibata 12) September 24, 1971 Arena Mexico Renato Torres beat Ciclon Veloz Jr 13) June 29, 1973 Arena Mexico Rene Guajardo beat Yamamoto Yamamoto was better known as Kantaro Hoshino from New Japan Pro Wrestling 14) February 5, 1975 Palacio de los Deportes DF Ray Mendoza beat Sunny War Cloud 15) July 18, 1975 Arena Mexico Los Gemelos Diablos I & II beat Alberto Munoz & Adonis Romano A semi-main event match between Perro Aguayo successfully defended his NWA World Middleweight Title against Ricky Starr. 16) July 26, 1975 Plaza de Toros DF Gran Hamada beat Rene Guajardo This match was part of a massive show headlined by Mil Mascaras defending his IWA Heavyweight Championship against Lou Thesz. Plaza de Toros is a huge bull fight arena that hold around 50,000 people but due to a huge rainstorm that day is kept the crowd to under 15,000 people. There were two more hair matches on the undercard which lead to Lou Thesz remembering wrestling on a wet mat that was covered in hair! 17) May 16, 1976 Arena Coliseo, Guadalajara Ringo Mendoza beat Perro Aguayo 18) September 24, 1976 Arena Mexico El Faraon beat Perro Aguayo This was for the 43rd Anniversary of EMLL 19) April 22, 1977 Arena Mexico Cachorro Mendoza beat Karloff Lagarde 20) May 29, 1977 Palacio de los Deportes DF Ray Mendoza & Rene Guajardo beat Angel Blanco This was a relevos suicidas in that it was a six man tag team match. Where Mendoza, Guajardo and Blanco lost to the team of El Solitario & Dr. Wagner and Anibal. 21) December 9, 1977 Arena Mexico Ringo Mendoza & El Faraon beat Perro Aguayo & Joe Palardi 22) January 29, 1978 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos Babe Face & Scorpio beat Bello Greco & Sergio el Hermoso This was during an era when UWA was so stacked from top to bottom this match, which would normally be featured higher was the second match on a five match card. The main event was Mil Mascaras defending his IWA Heavyweight Title against Temojin el Mongol, better known as Killer Khan. 23) February 17, 1978 Arena Mexico Tony Salazar beat Carlos Plata 24) August 28, 1978 Arena Mexico Tony Salazar beat Ringo Mendoza 25) December 17, 1978 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos El Signo beat Gran Hamada 26) March 2, 1979 Arena Mexico Halcon Ortiz beat Pack Choo Pack Choo was better known as New Japan Pro Wrestling star Kengo Kimura. 27) April 20, 1979 Arena Mexico Alfonso Dantes beat El Faraon This card was celebrating 23 years of the opening of Arena Mexico. Both the NWA World Middleweight and Welterweight championships were defended on the same night. Ringo Mendoza kept his Middleweight crown by beating Sangre Chicana while Mano Negra lost his Welterweight title to Americo Rocca. 28) June 8, 1979 Arena Mexico Carlos Plata & Herodes beat TNT & El Cobarde 29) June 15, 1979 Arena Mexico Satoru Sayama beat Alfonso Dantes Sayama of course is the original Tiger Mask. And there was some real life tension between these two. 30) December 2, 1979 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos Lobo Rubio beat Negro Navarro This was during an era where Negro Navarro could participate in one of these matches. 31) June 18, 1980 Arena Naucalpan EDO de Mex Gran Hamada beat El Polaco 32) June 29, 1980 Palacio de los Deportes DF Rene Guajardo beat Perro Aguayo This match sold out the huge Sports Palace. 33) October 2, 1980 Pista Arena Revolucion DF Bobby Lee beat Indio Vitela 34) December 5, 1980 Arena Mexico Sangre Chicana & Alfonso Dantes beat El Cobarde & El Jalisco I 35) October 23, 1981 Arena Mexico Halcon Ortiz beat Herodes 36) December 4, 1981 Arena Mexico Ringo Mendoza beat El Faraon underneath this match was a double mask and hair versus mask and hair match with Americo Rocca & Espectro Jr versus Cachorro Mendoza & Alfil. 37) June 13, 1982 Arena Mexico Los Misioneros de la Muerte (El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro) beat Masa Saito & Kuniaki Kobayashi & George Takano In this match the losing team had to all get their head shaved. 38) July 2, 1982 Arena Mexico Sangre Chicana beat El Satanico 39) September 17, 1982 Arena Mexico Perro Aguayo beat Tony Salazar The 49th Anniversary of Lucha Libre sold out Arena Mexico. This match moved into the main event as this was the famous card where Ric Flair was scheduled to defend his NWA World Championship against Halcon Ortiz. 40) October 15, 1982 Arena Mexico Americo Rocca beat La Fiera 41) December 12, 1982 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos Babe Face beat Ringo Rigby 42) February 18, 1983 Arena Mexico El Jalisco I beat La Fiera 43) April 24, 1983 Arena Mexico Pirata Morgan beat Cesar Curiel 44) July 1, 1983 Arena Mexico Mocho Cota & La Fiera beat Ringo & Cachorro Mendoza Also on the undercard Jerry Estrada took the hair of Franco Colombo. But that match didn't make the list. 45) September 9, 1983 Arena Mexico Gran Cochisse beat Mocho Cota Luchas 2000 got the date wrong as they listed September 4th but the 9th is correct. It was part one of EMLL's 50th Anniversary. 46) September 16, 1983 Arena Mexico El Satanico beat La Fiera This was part two of EMLL's 50th Anniversary and it celebrated Salvador Lutteroth and super trainer Diablo Velasco. 47) September 23, 1983 Arena Mexico Sangre Chicana beat MS-1 Part three of EMLL's 50th Anniversary. 48) June 24, 1983 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos Babe Face beat El Signo This was a captains lose their hair with Los Tigres del Ring (Babe Face & Scorpio & Luis Mariscal) beat Los Misioneros de la Muerte (El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro) 49) August 5, 1984 Arena Mexico Sangre Chicana beat Tony Salazar 50) September 7, 1984 Arena Mexico Mocho Cota beat Chamaco Valaguez 51) October 26, 1984 Arena Mexico Talisman beat Americo Rocca 52) October 26, 1984 Arena Mexico El Dandy drew Javier Cruz Because the match ended in a draw both men lost their hair. 53) April 12, 1985 Arena Mexico Herodes beat Rino Castro 54) August 9, 1985 Arena Coliseo, Guadalajara El Satanico beat Alfonso Dantes 55) December 6, 1985 Arena Mexico El Dandy beat Gran Cochisse In the main event Solar II took the hood of Belcebu to reveal Juan Manuel Llanes Olivares aka Rey Barbaro. 56) March 7, 1986 Arena Mexico Mocha Cota beat Talisman Lucha 2000 reported that this match took place on February 21, 1986. But the date above is correct. 57) February 28, 1986 Arena Mexico Sangre Chicana beat Perro Aguayo Since the 56th entry is not correct, these two listing should be swapped in Lucha 2000's list. This was the first of five hair versus hair matches between these two. And it was the only time Chicana won. But both men won at the box office as this match set a new record gate for Arena Mexico and turned away thousands of people. 58) May 2, 1986 Pavilion Azteca, DF Los Gran Apaches I & II beat Los Mochicanos I & II This was for a kids based promotion called AWWA. 59) July 4, 1986 Arena Mexico Pirata Morgan beat MS-1 60) September 5, 1986 Arena Mexico Los Misioneros de la Muerte (El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro) beat Talisman & El Dandy & Jerry Estrada This card also marked the debut of Eddy Guerrero to Arena Mexico. 61) September 16, 1986 Arena Mexico Ringo Mendoza & Tony Salazar & Americo Rocca beat Los Misioneros de la Muerte (El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro) A stacked card for their 53rd Anniversary. 62) February 15, 1987 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos Perro Aguayo beat Sangre Chicana Their feud continues as their second hair match marked the anniversary of their first match in 1986. 63) April 17, 1987 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos Black Man beat Rudy Reyna 64) July 31, 1987 Arena Mexico Javier Llanes & Americo Rocca & Chamaco Valaguez beat Los Destructores (Emilio Charles Jr & Tony Arce & Vulcano) A triple hair versus hair match. Javier Llanes is the son of Enrique Llanes, who's sister was married to Gori Guerrero. So Javier was the cousin to Chavo, Mando, Hector and Eddy. 65) August 2, 1987 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos Scorpio Sr beat Tamba I've looked and looked but this has got to be a wrong date. Anyone that has seen Tamba will realize a Hair match doesn't work. I've got a hair match between these two from 1982, which may have been mistaken for and he may have had a little hair then. 66) August 28, 1987 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos Perro Aguayo beat Scorpio Sr 67) October 23, 1987 Arena Mexico MS-1 & Masakre beat Herodes & Martin Escobedo 68) August 16, 1988 Arena Mexico El Satanico beat El Texano Correct date would be September 16, 1988 69) September 2, 1988 Arena Mexico MS-1 beat Negro Navarro So I guess 68 and 69 should be reversed. But it really doesn't matter as this is just the top 100 matches. 70) August 18, 1989 Arena Mexico Irma Aguilar beat Martha Villalobos A rare co-main event for a women's match at Arena Mexico. The other match was Pirata Morgan taking the hair of Steve Nelson. 71) December 14, 1990 Arena Mexico El Dandy beat El Satanico Jucio Final was a huge sold out card with the main being a triangle mask match with Octagon & Fuerza Guerrera beating Huracan Ramirez II for his hood. 72) December 16, 1990 Arena Mexico Los Texas Rangers I & II beat Americo Rocca & Chamaco Valaguez 73) March 3, 1991 Arena Mexico Kato Kung Lee beat Kung Fu 2nd sellout for Arena Mexico in a 5 consecutive week sellout streak. 74) June 2, 1991 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos Perro Aguayo beat Negro Navarro 75) September 6, 1991 Arena Mexico Perro Aguayo & Konnan beat Cien Caras Very famous 58th Anniversary triangle main event. These men put just under 20,000 people into Arena Mexico. 76) September 8, 1991 Arena Mexico Jerry Estrada beat La Fiera 77) June 20, 1993 Arena Coliseo DF Tornado Negro beat Aguila India 78) April 26, 1994 Plaza de Toros Monumental, Aguascalientes Heavy Metal beat Jerry Estrada Part of Triple Mania II. 79) October 14, 1994 Arena Mexico Emilio Charles Jr beat Miguelito Perez Jr 80) August 30, 1996 Arena Mexico Rambo beat Brazo de Oro 81) October 18, 1996 Arena Mexico Negro Casas beat Bestia Salvaje 82) April 24, 1998 Arena Mexico Gran Markus Jr beat Brazo de Oro 83) February 25, 2000 Arena Mexico Tarzan Boy beat El Satanico 84) May 12, 2000 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana Nicho el Millionaro beat Rey Misterio Sr Nicho was the original Psicosis. 85) June 29, 2001 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana Damian 666 beat Halloween 86) July 29, 2001 Arena Mexico Villano III beat El Signo 87) May 31, 2002 Arena Mexico Shocker & Mascara Magica beat Katsushi Takemura & Masada 88) February 14, 2003 Arena Mexico Ricky Marvin beat Zumbido Marvin won this match by count out. In the main event Ultimo Guerrero beat Shocker in a match defending CMLL Light Heavyweight Title match. 89) February 28, 2003 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana Rey Misterio Sr beat Kiss These two have been feuding for years and years. 90) June 20, 2003 Arena Mexico Pierroth Jr beat Cien Caras 91) October 26, 2003 Arena Solidaridad, Monterrey Latin Lover beat Hector Garza 92) April 30, 2004 Arena Mexico Zumbido beat Super Crazy 93) September 10, 2004 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana Shocker beat Halloween 94) December 17, 2004 Arena Mexico Cien Caras & Mascara Ano 2000 beat Pierroth Jr & Vampiro Canadiense 95) July 25, 2005 Arena Puebla, Puebla Pierroth Jr beat El Satanico 96) December 2, 2005 Arena Mexico Universo 2000 beat Halloween With a very strong undercard including Mistico and Perro Aguayo Jr they sold out Arena Mexico 97) December 10, 2005 Plaza de Toros Progresso, Guadalajara Shocker beat Sangre Chicana Part of AAA Guerra de Titanes they drew 14,000 fans to the bull ring. 98) March 17, 2006 Arena Mexico Perro Aguayo Jr beat Universo 2000 El Hijo del Perro Aguayo beating Universo 2000 was revenge for him beating his father and forcing him to retire. The grudge match drew a huge crowd. 99) April 28, 2006 Arena Mexico Tarzan Boy & Rey Bucanero beat Damian 666 & Mr. Aguila This was the main event celebrating the 50th Anniversary of Arena Mexico and sold out the building. Mr. Aguila is also known by fans of WWF as Essa Rios. 100) June 18, 2006 El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos Charly Manson beat Zorro Part of AAA's Triple Mania 15. This hair match was a last man standing cage match. It was part of a main event that also had La Parka taking the maske of Muerte Cibernetico aka Ricky Banderas and sold out El Toreo.

As a kid my favorites were Buddy Rose & Ed Wiskoski and than a few years later was Rose and Rip Oliver. To this day I think the Rose/Oliver team is really underrated. Once the Road Warriors came along they were my favorites, even to this day I really enjoy watching a prime Road Warriors match. In later years a few of the teams I really enjoyed was Art Barr and Eddy Guerrero. Doc & Gordy, Hansen & Brody. Great tag teams are my favorite to watch. Steamboat/Youngblood are simply one of the best babyface tag teams ever. I also loved the late 80's/early 90's All Japan tag team division. So many great tag matches.

I'd like to add that I am a fan of both women, I think the world of Sasha Banks and think she has a world of potential. Becky Lynch in my opinion is the best female wrestler employed by WWE. Their match was good, really good but there were things in the match that I did not like.

This is true, but I find the criteria Matt is applying in this situation to be pedantic and pointless. It's not judging the work, but judging the work based on potential future work. So my criteria because you disagree with it is pedantic and pointless? I thought this message boards purpose was to discuss the matters of professional wrestling? Because you think a match or a wrestler is an all time great or the best thing since slice bread and you disagree you feel the need to attack someone and discredit their educated opinion? I disagreed with your opinion and gave my point of view of I why I felt differently. I judge matches that are not only planned out extensively but appear to be planned out by what goes on in the ring and that effects how I feel about that match.

kayfabe is kinda like the old Donnie Brasco description of "forget about it". It has so many different meanings. It still exists today, we see it all the time on message boards or social media. Just this past week with Samoa Joe's arrival into NXT. The biggest problem with kayfabe today is the boys in the business don't kayfabe. They want to expose everything to look "cool" or get over with the audience. They don't even realize it takes away a lot of their (the fans) entertainment. It's not about being "fake" or not it's about maintaining those blurred lines.

Since NXT aired with Banks/Lynch match there has been so much hype that the match and those two have become almost overrated. Now this is not an attempt to knock those two girls as I think they have a lot of potential and I've been a big fan and friend of Becky Lynch for nearly a decade now, even went out and booked her on some shows many years back when she was just 19 and have hung out with her. Very cool girl with loads of talent. BUT and you know there was going to by a but, Sasha and some of the other women are extremely green. There is a huge difference between wrestling at NXT and wrestling on the main roster. And I'm not talking about production or talent relations or anything else. What I am talking about is their time and what they do during the day and week. In NXT you're job is to work out, not only in the gym but in the ring. Becky, Sasha, Charlotte, Bailey and the rest of the girls there are paid to work out. So they have most of the day to work on what they are going to do for the upcoming NXT special or television the next week. Sasha and Becky had hours and days upon days to figure out what they are going to do, they also had a ring at their disposal to go over every single spot...over and over and over again. Now if you are a "Diva" on the main roster, you're actually a rather busy person. And TV's where you see these women have their 5 minutes are very busy. Very, very busy. They have many duties and often do not have the luxury of glammin' down and going to the ring and working out, sometimes they do but since Total Divas they are being utilized for other things that often keep them dressed up and looking good before Raw. Production meetings will often last until 3 o'clock or so and the girls often have no clue what they are doing or if they are wrestling or not. When they do find out the ring is now often "off limits" as they usually tell everyone to get out of the ring by 4pm (I'm talking about west coast shows). They do this so production can do their final adjustments for lighting and they open the doors an hour before bell time. So the girls may have an hour tops to really discuss or go over their match and not even that if they have other segments they are needed for. So the comparisons between the two are a little different. Someone mentioned Paige and how good she looked in NXT compared to Raw, and we're talking about a girl who has been wrestling since she was a young teenager. This comparison goes for the men too, we've seen some phenomenal men's matches that may not come out the same on Raw and not just due to time constraints but also due to planning constraints. NXT is a great facility, but there are differences to working NXT and the main roster.

Wasn't giving my preference, just stating statistics. Steen made the comparison and that is what I was commenting on. Who do I like more? Really neither, I've seen enough of Cena. And Steen I like but I'm not a major Steen fan boy that thinks he's great, I think he's good but in my mind when I think of great he's not even in the conversation. Now for comparisons in working conditions ROH and his spot there gave him more freedom and time to have "great" matches, and that is what the company is sold on. WWE is more restricted, but of course more eyes are watching. Gun to my head on who I think is better all around, Cena hands down. But Steen has a ton of potential and I'm excited to see what he does in the next few years.

When I first read it I thought she or he may have confused it with Dr. Wagner's best friend Angel Blanco. The first Angel Blanco Jr was in fact his son-in-law and later worked as Rey Salomon. The current Angel Blanco Jr is indeed his son, but the more famous Angel Blanco Jr was not.

When I saw that I was thinking Cena has been working longer. And he's definitely had 3 or 4 more times the number of matches, AND he's had a far number more great matches than Steen. Yes I think Steen is good and all, but the amount of praise put on him for me makes him overrated. If I look at his body of work next to Cena's, he's not even on the same level. This year Cena has really cemented his place in wrestling history as one of the all time greats. Can you knock him for being clumsy or not knowing how to do basics like run the ropes but he delivers.

I think my mind played tricks on me. It was JERRY Grey from Florida. Haven't watched it for so long, well since I got the tape a few weeks after it aired probably. It was a good match but the wrong Grey.