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I have the match, if you still need it.

People have their reasons for nominating who they want. You don't have to agree, but in general I think the whining about certain nominations is fairly pointless.

My apologies then.

And that's you going on whatever agenda you have and ignoring what others have said on the topic. How you get "You like what you like, let's move on" from "Subjective art breeds endless discussion and exchanging of opinions and ideas" i don't know.

Why do people dislike the Springboard Stunner so much? I'm usually one of the people who shakes his head at stupid or silly moves, but the Springboard Stunner doesn't bother me at all.

I'd love Thatcher in that atmosphere, but has Jeff Cobb made his appearance on the show yet? If not I could see him being played as the monster destroying people for Cueto.

Art is a theory based field. It doesn't matter what medium or form you are speaking about; different theories can be ascribed to art. There are some theories that view art as either good or bad, and there being facts involved. Personally I don't believe in those theories as I ascribe to art as being subjective through and through. One of the main reasons I feel it's better to take the "art is subjective" approach is the discussion it can engender. If there are right and wrong answers then there really isn't any discussion to be had. However, when art is treated as subjective endless discussion can be had. It's not a game of proving one side right and the other wrong; but of exploring the art and the ways it connects to you and others. Difference of opinion just means more lively, and fruitful discussion. To me that's a lot better than, "You're wrong, end of discussion."

It's always interesting to me that OMEGA and ECWA (at least pre-2001) are generally omitted from talk of modern indies. For me those two promotions are what started the idea of the modern indie.

Right now my answer is Bret. However, I have a lot of Cena viewing gaps to fill in, and if he works like I think he can during those gaps he will have a much longer period of sustained greatness than Bret.

I have Hash above all of them, and I don't think any of them will be overtaking him.

Thanks for the info, asked about this one because it seemed to have no info available for it.

About to start watching some of this, what were some of the promotions at the time? Gilbert Cesca vs. Billy Catanzaro took place in what promotion for instance? And do we have an actual date on that match?

Ursurper vs. Drew Gulak from Beyond Wrestling 2013

Havok vs. Taryn Terrell from Total Nonstop Action Wrestling 2015

Kevin Steen vs. Chris Hero from Quintessential Pro Wrestling 2014

Now it is; seems very much like a WAR collection of motley fellows.

I am always praising Angle around these parts; that's not about to stop anytime soon.

Eaton has a real shot at making my top 20, and Morton isn't very far behind.

Did I miss it and Tim became a regular co-host? As for Quake, the Scott Keith comments ring true for me. I've never denied that I grew up viewing Keith as a guiding light in my wrestling fandom. If he said a guy sucked then they sucked, there was no other possibility. If he said a guy was awesome then they were awesome, and even if I had my doubts, like with Shawn Michaels for instance, I convinced myself that I was wrong and Keith had to be right. Honestly leaving wrestling for a bit was probably the best thing that ever happened to me because I moved away from thinking of Keith as gospel. I realized that he and I were quite different, and that we were polar opposites in what we valued in wrestling, and wrestlers. I still shake my head at the fact that I missed out on so many good-great workers just because Keith said they were shit and I was dumb enough to follow him blindly. Quake is definitely one of those guys. I respect the heck out of the guy now and find that in terms of making every second of a match count he is a great worker. He can meld his style to meet faster paced guys in the middle, and he really understands the importance of timing. His WWF work is really good across the board; except for the Golga stuff but I put most of that on the type of wrestling that era of WWF predominantly produced. Alan Counihan turned me on to a fantastic match from UWFI in 1994, Vader & Tenta versus Gary Albright & Kazuo Yamazaki. Vader and Alrbight are the stars of the match, but Tenta is really great in the match as well and shows off how well he understood the importance of timing and the moment.

Biff Busick vs. Icarus from WrestleJam 2013

I thought they had all but phased out the TNA moniker and we're mainly calling themselves Impact Wrestling now?

I won't lie, having to delete all the rest of the 4CR shows, none of which I'mt fond of, is an annoyance. But it's a minor one, so keep the present feed or get your own, I'll listen either way,

Miz is pretty shit in the ring. He's been able to craft a decent character, but that character always falls apart the moment he has to wrestle. Charlotte is decent in the ring, she's more of an athlete than a wrestler. When in the ring with higher quality wrestlers she does very well, but when in with people who are still developing or equal to/beneath her level the match is usually no great shakes. I think a lot of that comes down to how her best and worst attribute is her athleticism. It allows her to have these really cool moments, but it also stops her from bothering to chain sequences together. I mean why bother when all anyone cares about is how athletic you are? Still, I'd take Charlotte, and the overwhelming majority of women wrestlers in the WWE, over Miz.

Here are some up to the present day then, I would rate every one of these matches at least ****, Pro Wrestling Bushido: La Jaimica (10-16-2011) Timothy Thatcher vs. Fit Finlay All Pro Wrestling/Vendetta Pro Wrestling: Terror Dome ’12 (10-20-2012) Chris Masters vs. Timothy Thatcher Sacramento Wrestling Federation: Ring Warriors Revenge (10-06-2012) Oliver John vs. Timothy Thatcher All Pro Wrestling: Gym Wars (01-05-2013) Oliver John vs. Timothy Thatcher Supreme Pro Wrestling: SPW Arena (02-17-2013) Jeff Cobb vs. Timothy Thatcher EVOLVE Wrestling: 34 (09-13-2014) Zack Sabre Jr. vs. Timothy Thatcher Combat Zone Wrestling: Dojo Wars #9 (09-10-2014) Joe Gacy vs. Drew Gulak Combat Zone Wrestling: To Infinity (04-27-2014) Biff Busick vs. Drew Gulak Beyond Wrestling: Secret Show (04-13-2014) Timothy Thatcher vs. Biff Busick Independent Wrestling Association Mid-South: Derby Madness ’14 (05-01-2014) Kongo Kong vs. Danny Cannon Organization of Modern Extreme Grappling Arts: Chaos in Cameron (04-26-2014) Briscoe Brothers (Jay & Mark) vs. Hardy Boyz (Jeff & Matt) EVOLVE Wrestling: 33 (08-10-2104) Biff Busick vs. Drew Gulak PREMIER Wrestling: Kratos vs. Dutra (11-22-2014) Joe Graves vs. Timothy Thatcher EVOLVE Wrestling: 31 (08-08-2014) Timothy Thatcher vs. Drew Gulak WestCoast Wrestling Federation: WCWF Arena (01-11-2014) Timothy Thatcher vs. Dave Dutra World Wrestling Network: A Wrestling Odyssey (04-04-2014) Timothy Thatcher vs. Drew Gulak World Wrestling Network: Mercury Rising ’15 (03-28-2015) Timothy Thatcher vs. Chris Hero EVOLVE Wrestling: 38 (03-08-2015) Drew Gulak vs. Chris Hero EVOLVE Wrestling: 37 (01-10-2015) Timothy Thatcher vs. Roderick Strong EVOLVE Wrestling: 40 (03-27-2015) Chris Hero vs. Biff Busick EVOLVE Wrestling: 40 (03-27-2015) Tommy End vs. Timothy Thatcher And some international indie stuff, Wrestling Martin Calderon: Mania No. 1 (08-24-2014) Kortiz vs. El Brazo Jr. Consejo Mundial de Luchadores Internacionales: Arena Coliseo de Monterrey (03-02-2014) Charles Lucero vs. Silver Star Big Japan Pro-Wrestling: Korakuen Hall (01-02-2014) Koji Kanemoto vs. Kazuki Hashimoto International Wrestling Revolution Group: Arena Naucalpan (02-02-2014) 911 vs. Golden Magic Kana Produce: Fukuyama Big Rose (03-08-2015) Hikaru Shida & Syuri vs. Konami Takemoto & Kana

I like Booker, but not enough to consider him a top worker. Too sloppy and formulaic, never all that memorable.