BigBadMick

The rankings on that Starrcade set are all over the place. Where oh where is Flair v Garvin?! And Bigelow v Windham probably deserves a spot too.

I agree, Loss. And, even if WWE accept that it's a downtime, they could at least use it to build up a few guys. God, I get fed up thinking the same thing about WWE, year after year, after year.......

I'm still wondering if it's a deliberate cooling off by WWE though?

It's slightly different because so much was up in the air for most of the year but Smackdown in autumn 2002 is an exception.

He came across fine on the OMG WCW Moments dvd too. I'd heard that he distanced himself from wrestling for a long time, good to hear he's able to talk fondly again.

This has come up a bit lately. The consensus view is that, in the past few years, WWE heats up from January-April, then cools off a bit, then heats up again for SummerSlam, and seems to cool off until Rumble again. I've seen people talking about easing off WWE until January now. When did this begin? I've never really noticed a string of poor ppvs in a season until last autumn, and don't think it was deliberate by the company. Is it partly to do with part-timers coming back to create massive WMs for the last 5 years or so? Is it Brock's 3-4 dates per year? Has the network something to do with it now? Or is it the generally poor booking and inability to have a slew of potential main eventers lined up at any given time? I think this is a really interesting topic and hope to hear views on it, thanks.

Just getting to this. Cheers for answering my Flair-WWF 91 question Parv - thought you were ducking it!

Great review. I love the 5 big main events in a row feel to this, that's what puts it over WM 17 for me. Thought you were a bit harder on HHH/Booker than me. It's certainly the worst of those 5 matches, but Booker does a good job keeping it moving, and gives HHH one of his best matches of 2003 (faint praise, I know).

Like the sound of those WON episodes Parv. And Congrats to Chad.

Great, been looking forward to this. Best 'Mania ever, I think.

Not on Austin's show but since it was his opinion I thought I'd comment here. He was on Keller's show last week. Keller brought up WWE wrestlers being unhappy with the uncertainty of PPV pay even now, in September. Austin talked around it a bit, coming off as a WWE apologist (something I'd never have accused him of before) and basically suggested that if the guys need to take a cut now to cover set up costs on new technology, so be it. He also mentioned wrestlers covering bodybuilder salaries for the WBF in the early 90s without coming down negatively on it. Found this flabbergasting considering the number of blow ups he had with management on lesser issues over the years.

I've made this point before, but if nobody is willing to reprimand Cena for excessive and loud spot calling, shouldn't the production team take it upon themselves to shoot his matches differently (less close-ups)?

I know, but I'd still wager that lots more awful moments are on this list than WWE's.

Here's the list as presented on the recent dvd - # 50 – Junkyard Brawl • July 11, 1999 # 49 – Canadian Hacksaw • September 17, 2000 # 48 – Warrior • August 17, 1998 # 47 – 49ers Match • October 2, 2000 # 46 – King of the Road • March 19, 1995 # 45 – Russo • April 10, 2000 # 44 – Chucky • October 12, 1998 # 43 – Bad Goldberg? • June 11, 2000 # 42 – La Parka • July 7, 1997 # 41 – Caged Horsemen • September 29, 1985 # 40 – Jericho’s Challenge • November 9, 1998 # 39 – Litigation • July 9, 2000 # 38 – Helicopter • March 16, 1998 # 37 – Forklift Match • August 13, 2000 # 36 – The Debut • September 4, 1995 # 35 – Demolition • September 27, 1999 # 34 – Electric Chair • October 27, 1991 # 33 – Movie Magic • June 1993 # 32 – RoboCop • May 19, 1990 # 31 – Who Better than Kanyon? • May 7, 2000 # 30 – Human Torch • June 11, 2000 # 29 – Ambush • October 25, 1986 # 28 – Russo Wins World Title • September 25, 2000 # 27 – Chest Protector • March 29, 1999 # 26 – Powerbomb • June 16, 1996 # 25 – Finger Poke of Doom • January 4, 1999 # 24 – Cruiserweight Showcase • October 26, 1997 # 23 – n.W…..NO ! • January 13, 1997 # 22 – Lost in Cleveland • April 1993 # 21 – Stir Crazy • April 1999 # 20 – Pinata • November 15, 1999 # 19 – Masked Luchador • May 17, 1998 # 18 – Parking Lot Mess • July 29, 1996 # 17 – Garbage • December 18, 1995 # 16 – To Streak? Or not to Streak? • December 27, 1998 # 15 – Trailblazer • August 2, 1992 # 14 – The Decision • March 16, 1997 # 13 – Piledriver • May 7, 1989 # 12 – The Worm • March 16, 1997 # 11 – Parody • September 1, 1997 # 10 – Shockmaster • August 18, 1993 # 9 – World Champion Actor • April 26, 2000 # 8 – CoboChaos • October 29, 1995 # 7 – Double Feature • November 17, 1997 # 6 – Scaffold • November 27, 1986 # 5 – Goldberg Dome • July 6, 1998 # 4 – “I Quit” • November 28, 1985 # 3 – Outside Invasion • May 27, 1996 # 2 – Surprise Purchase • March 26, 2001 # 1 – Who is the Third Man? • July 7, 1996 It's not an exact number, but I would argue that 21 of those are presented in a positive light and the rest are openly savaged or at the very least smirked at. I've a feeling the WWF/E OMG list had a higher percentage of positive moments. Anyway, I'd like to compile a list of 50 genuinely positive OMG moments from WCW. Beginning from Nov 88 - I know this dvd cheated and went back to 85, but we'd be all day listing everything from NWA days. Suggestions? I'm especially interested in the less discussed 1988-95 period.

Where does Orton stand on the PWO re-evaluation scale? He's not the outcast that Brody is, surely?

What's the 7/10 thing?

Great show lads. Epic 1st hour on the 1991 Flair situation. Couple of points - Will, although you kind of drown out Ross and Schiavone on commentary nowadays, how do you rate them both? Parv, I'm not sure what you meant by WWF being in the steriod scandal equates to Flair's value going up? It was well into 92 before the muscleheads really starting disappearing, and apart from that I think Flair was physically impressive enough to be of value to WWF throughout the 80s and on into the 90s, regardless of the steriod controversy. Just wondering what you meant? Will, do you think Windham was old and washed-up in 91, or just that he could be considered a relic of the past compared to Luger and Sting?

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Did he drop any falls in All Japan in 87-88?

Cool. What about Steve Williams? I remember his ECW title loss at start of 97 beinghis first US pinfall in years.

Not sure, just read about it in an Observer.

I'd always thought that Piper had a very lengthy no pinfalls policy prior to WM8. I've seen him pinned by Snuka in '85, is that were it began? Or was it more a 'not losing to Hogan' policy? Also, after WM8, he seemed very selective about pinfall loses - are there many examples? Brody - I know he dropped a fall to Abby in World Class in late '87. When was he last pinned prior to that? Steve Williams/Terry Gordy - Did they both refuse to lose in the US because of Japan (the Hansen/Brody excuse)? Did they enjoy lengthy non-pinfall stints in US also? Hogan - Atlas, Andre, Warrior. Is that it from 1981-90? I'm fascinated by how wrestlers could get away with this for so long. I know, it was a different world, wrestlers had more control over their careers etc but still, Jesus! *I include submission losses in all these too.

That sounds appalling. I never listen to Cornette pre-interview. Nor Jericho, Ross or Austin. Don't want to sound harsh, but I'm not there for their musings on life etc.

I know 4 a fact our own Johnny Sorrow informed Parv. He asked if their were any shots of Dibiase in it. Cool. I should probably ask him directly, but isn't he ever tempted to watch Raw or whatever? Do you guys ever bring it up before recording Titans? I respect his conviction, but I'd find it very difficult to seal myself off in a pre-2000 world.......

Is this the live Mid Atlantic show? No, it's the following week.