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Rewatching this after some time and it is still awesome. Disgruntled Robinson trying to take down Baba and gets increasingly frustrated as the match goes on. One minor complaint is that Baba could have sold Billy's legwork better specifically because he lost one of the falls due to a leg hold.
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Flair's average vote is pretty insane especially considering the sample size of ballots.
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1 Genichiro Tenryu 2 El Satanico 3 Jushin Liger 4 Negro Casas 5 Tatsumi Fujinami 6 Kenta Kobashi 7 Kiyoshi Tamura 8 Akira Hokuto 9 Jun Akiyama 10 El Dandy 11 Daisuke Ikeda 12 Eddie Guerrero 13 Jumbo Tsuruta 14 Mitsuharu Misawa 15 El Hijo del Santo 16 Terry Funk 17 Mayumi Ozaki 18 Buddy Rose 19 Bret Hart 20 Akira Taue 21 Shinya Hashimoto 22 Yoshiaki Fujiwara 23 Nick Bockwinkel 24 Volk Han 25 Vader 26 Daniel Bryan 27 Ricky Steamboat 28 Steve Austin 29 Devil Masami 30 Alexander Otsuka 31 Bull Nakano 32 Pirata Morgan 33 Minoru Suzuki 34 Chigusa Nagayo 35 Toshiaki Kawada 36 Aja Kong 37 Shawn Michaels 38 Rey Mysterio Jr. 39 Villano III 40 Yoshihiro Takayama 41 Yuki Ishikawa 42 Riki Choshu 43 Ric Flair 44 William Regal 45 Negro Navarro 46 Naoki Sano 47 Blue Panther 48 Atlantis 49 Lioness Asuka 50 Black Terry 51 Shinobu Kandori 52 Yoji Anjoh 53 Arn Anderson 54 MS-1 55 Masakatsu Funaki 56 Megumi Kudo 57 Jerry Lawler 58 John Cena 59 Fit Finlay 60 Nobuhiko Takada 61 Brock Lesnar 62 Hiroshi Hase 63 Mick Foley 64 Akira Maeda 65 Dynamite Kansai 66 Manami Toyota 67 Osamu Nishimura 68 Billy Robinson 69 Barry Windham 70 Mocho Cota 71 Jaguar Yokota 72 Shigeo Miyato 73 Kazuo Yamazaki 74 Sangre Chicana 75 Randy Savage 76 Meiko Satomura 77 Larry Zbyskyo 78 Masa Fuchi 79 Yoshinari Ogawa 80 Hiroshi Tanahashi 81 Samoa Joe 82 Shiro Koshinaka 83 Atsushi Onita 84 Shinjiro Ohtani 85 Dustin Rhodes 86 Perro Aguayo 87 Giant Baba 88 Yoshihisa Yamamoto 89 Koji Kanemoto 90 Ted DiBiase 91 Tsuyoshi Kohsaka 92 El Faraon 93 Tully Blanchard 94 LA Park 95 Owen Hart 96 Dick Murdoch 97 Kantaro Hoshino 98 Gran Hamada 99 Naomichi Marifuji 100 Antonio Inoki Looking back People I seriously underrated - Negro Navarro, Black Terry, Jerry Lawler, Billy Robinson
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Kind of an anti-climax but it was pretty much what most were expecting. I don't necessarily agree with #1 but can't really argue against it because the arguments people put forth for him in that spot make perfect sense.
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Stan Hansen vs. Carlos Colon WWC 10/12/1986 Awesome match with a great Hansen performance. He combined his relentless attack with great stooging and desperation. I also finally saw the great Hansen selling people talk about. Colon also showed great fire and intensity. **** Honestly Hansen looked a thousand times better in this setting than in the majority of 80s All Japan. Most of his 80s All Japan stuff (and some AWA stuff) left such a bad taste in my mouth that I decided to leave him off my ballot completely and didn't watch more of him. If the rest of the Colon feud is this good, it combined with his 90s stuff (which ranges from pretty good to great for me), might overcome a lot of his stuff that drives me nuts and turn me around on Stan Hansen.
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Yep.
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So close, almost a Top 5 finish for Liger. Had him at #3, incredible wrestler in every way. So Misawa wins #1 Japanese born wrestler on this list. Can't really argue with that. Also happy about Kobashi's placement. I thought he was suffering a backlash similar to Jumbo but am glad he made it.
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Actually I am disappointed Jumbo didn't make it either. I get some of the criticisms but sometimes I feel his 1980-84 "down" period gets overplayed. Great in the 70s, tremendous in the early 90s and from what I have seen for the 80s in general, I would say he was definitely a Top 10 worker in the world for the 80s.
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That Jumbo photo is the greatest one so far. Disappointed Tenryu didn't make the top 10. Funny with the general backlash against Jumbo and the increase in Tenryu's stock, Jumbo still ranked ahead.
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This is basically an extended squash for Han to get his win back from the 7/92 upset but is still a very good match. Han is like a terminator here, just going after Kopylov with awesome submissions and great strikes. There is a spot where Han literally leaps on him. In the end, they tease the finish of the 7/92 match in a fantastic spot but this time the outcome is not the same. *** 3/4
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I would love to see reactions to Cena over Shawn. Also the WCW jobber El Dandy making the 30s. Also WWE commentator Jerry Lawler making Top 20 (maybe 10)
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Buddy Rose
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Huge jump in points from Arn to Savage
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Whereas someone like Mick Foley just creeps me the fuck out. IDK I can't really vote for a guy taking all these stupid bumps when he's doing pathetic company shilling rants and is working the creepiest white male feminist gimmick ever. I mean I'd totally do it if I truly cared about his work but. Nah. edit: should note triple h being a 4/10 wrestler wouldn't classify under the dumb shit said by bret hart, seem about right really, might be slightly overrating him That 4/10 thing was referring to one of his matches, not him as a wrestler per say.
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Well that was anticlimatic. Maybe I just fooled myself into thinking Casas could finish in the Top 10. But the fact that 48% of the people who ranked him had him in their Top 10 is pretty impressive. He was my #4
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If you value peak over duration of quality, you could argue Taue peaked higher and had more all time classic level matches. I had Taue at 20 and Jun at 9, while top quarter finish would have been ideal, I am glad they ended up relatively high. Also, Regal in Top 25 is a pleasant surprise
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Really well put and I agree with basically everything said. I had Satanico at 2 and Dandy at 10.
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I refuse for people to think of El Dandy like that. Someone used it as a comment, but I cut it out. I want that association to go away. Agreed. If someone tries to legitimately praise El Dandy in other places, "who are you to doubt El Dandy" or "one heck of a wrestler" come up and the whole thing turns into a joke.
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Also based on the data Grimmas provided, it is possible Casas made the Top 10 which would be a huge victory for lucha.
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Personally for me the only thing disappointing about the list is the demise of Joshi and maybe some shoot-style/battlarts people not doing as well as I would have liked. Otherwise the list is pretty much what you would expect with the top mainstream US and Japanese names dominating because they are universally considered great and are on most of the ballots. Only the absolute top tier, most well known lucha guys are still in the mix.
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Really glad El Dandy made the top 50. Also, never ever expected Mick Foley to make the Top 50. Had him in my 60s somewhere.
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That's true only one female in the top 50, that's nuts.
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Even though he didn't make many ballots, Tamura's final rank is still insanely disappointing for me. Was hoping he would make atleast the top half. The first of my top 10 to fall.
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Interesting. The No. 1 is a clear No. 1. Data that strongly supports my Flair as the easy #1 prediction. Could be wrong though. Could be Daniel Bryan for all we know.