Dav'oh

No, brother @C.S.. I think absolutely everyone involved is a fuckstick. There's two things I won't do : I won't pretend to care today about someone I didn't care about last week and won't care about next week. And I won't say ridiculous, hyperbolic things along the lines of This is the Worst Thing I've Ever Seen in Wrestling. Other ridiculous things, yes. Not that one. Actually, three things: I absolutely will not believe for a second that Stu thought Raja was a worker. RIP or Get Well Soon, either way I couldn't give a shit. I'm just not fazed by real violence when it's cheapshotting male shitcunt vs cheapshotting male shitcunt. Neither Stu nor Raja deserves our tears. Best off saving them for people that matter.

Is this what happened? A muh-freedumz patriot, as red as a neck ever was, was working a regular wrestling gig with his regular crew of workers. He walked up to the only guy he didnt recognize - a black man in street clothes - and without any warning, any conversation, any permission, smashed him in the side of the head with a beer can. Because he, on the balance of all available evidence, "thought he was a worker". And, one can only surmise, he does this to everyone else he thinks is a worker, without going over it with them first? Because the guy didn't sell it like a worker, he continued to assume the guy was a worker. He then starts cutting a promo on a clearly non-plussed, now-agitated non-worker. How am I going so far? Half-an-hour later, "♫ He got fucking head kicked in clap-clap-clap-clap ♫" (is that the song wrestling fans sing?), because now that everyone knew the guy wasn't a worker, they decided he was a worker and told him (non-workingly) he could get his (working) vengence. Or something. Because absolutely everyone involved is a tough guy sNiTcHeS-gEt-StItChEs type, everyone who witnessed it has been making statements left right and centre fingering the non-worker, while the non-worker snitches on himself and his dad snitches on him too. Jesus fucking Christ. Did Vince Russo book this shit?

None of the finishes so far have seemed "big" to me, and that one was just ugly.

Aaaah, Oasis. When two contenders for Mr. Puniverse were considered the Baddest Men in Britain.

I'd wear Hiromu's trunks down the street to buy milk.

Three dinosaurs and a blade-job. Two stars.

I'll just chill here until someone starts a thread. I have a fifty-one year-old scrotum, and it looks twenty years younger than Edge's face.

"You Can't Smoke Weed!" next? The delightfully innocent John Cena had no idea how a bong worked, and had to be taught by the crew how to smoke weed on the set of Peacemaker season 2.

14 year-old Terry Gordy wrestled against Ernie Ladd. That one still amazes me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_kL-_QxdTY

Hogan was a great worker. We, here, at PWO, in 2025, are not who he was working for. He was working for the crowds in front of him and he had them in the palms of his hands. Can he pop the wrestling intelligentsia? No, but why the fuck should he?

Wrestling matches aren't bottles of wine. They're not meant to lie in a cellar for forty years before being opened and sipped by connoisseurs. I say this because a sentiment in this thread is that Dynamite's work "didn't age well". Currently-active wrestlers don't get that albatross/chestnut put on them. Dynamite's series with Sayama was the duck's guts (AUS), the dog's bollocks (UK), the cat's pyjamas (US), the... chrysanthemum's... stamen(?) (JPN). Both guys left their indelible mark on pro-wrestling on a global scale. I value influence and impact. A good wrestler can have a great match (Warrior can have a great match...). It takes a great wrestler to help shape the sport for decades to come.

For a variety of reasons, the first time I got to view a Young Lion's excursion contemporaneously was when EVIL went to ROH and I was pretty excited at the prospect. Then I saw him getting smoked by the ROH crew and it was clear he didn't have it/get it. I've never expected anything good of him since. Covid may have oiled the dildo, but it still took NJPW to roger themselves.

Mitsuharu Misawa. Cant't stand his body, his stoicism, always pulling up his pants (selling his pants, is the term, I think), his attire, his success over the Other Three. But fuck he's good. His connection to the audience, his endless list of great matches, execution, toughness, how he carries himself (stoicism aside). I don't need to explain Misawa's strong points to anyone here. These things? No, they're not part of a set criteria. They're what strike me as I watch him. Business success? Yes, because his qualities set him apart from lower-carders, spoke more to the audience than lower-carders, and so companies put him on top making money for everyone. I do think business success - in pro-wrestling, at least - is an inevitable corollary of "greatness". It is not the exclusive domain of greatness, no. Crowd-reactions? That's all a pro-wrestler has. Seriously. Reputation might lead me to someone, but counts for naught once I've seen them. I enjoy watching Misawa's matches, a) because he's not wrestling against himself, there's a quality opponent (or two) (or three) and a usually rivetting storyline involved; and b) I'm still watching a master of his craft, crappy tights or no. I can absolutely respect Mitsuharu Misawa, without liking him.

Interesting. I think there absolutely will be wrestlers I can't stand on my list, because to not acknowledge their greatness would be churlish of me. I watch some people and just can't deny their talents.

There's a difference between "political views", which implies an informed, involved person making educated decisions, and being a flag-waver for.... all of that. Backstage producer, not a backstage producer, affects their work, doesn't affect their work - the cunt should be thrown in a pit. That's probably the point he was making.

As a society, semantics are all we've got. If we don't agree on the meanings of words, we can't communicate properly, and it's global Anarchy in the Arena. Say "Hello" to Eugene Schnitzel. Eugene has been the star of Baltic Extreme Thug-Life Pro-Wrestling Yeah! for over twenty-five years. He once technically sold-out Legia Warsaw's home ground (only three hundred tickets were on sale, and it was held in the car-park, but it counts!) Eugene can work as face or heel. He's very good in both singles and tags. He impressed as a fiery Young Elk, and as the grumpy old vodka tragic with delirium tremens. Although he specialises in First Scrotum-Blood Matches and the like, he is very much at home trading holds (see his matches with Brad Wurst, links below). He has successfully played a couple of (slightly) different characters and his mic work is the best this side of Vilnius. He is a great, great, great wrestler. Does this mean he is in the Pantheon of the Greats? He was never invited to 16 Carat Gold in Germany, not even 6,000,000 Roentgen Gold in Kyiv. His audience were the Extreme Thug-Life Choir, as it were. He said he didn't travel because he didn't trust promoters (he was only ten when Bruiser Brody died). But enough Schnitzel. Does someone who is great at pro-wrestling, become by default a great of pro-wrestling? Or do you think it takes something more? Do you have to be one of the greats to be eligible for the Greatest Wrestler Ever? The list of nominees here is at times - how do I put this politely? - fucking risible. You can bang your Eugene Schnitzels up your clacker, as far as I'm concerned.

I do (I really do) intend to make this point in greater detail elsewhere, but wouldn't that qualify those bands as 100 Favourite Bands Ever, or 100 Best Bands ever, rather than 100 GREATEST Bands ever?

Because the greats leave their mark on the world (population: 8 billion), not just Reseda (population: LOL).

Some time ago, Australia stole a band from NZ and they had hits in the UK and Canada, the US etc so you may have heard of them.This poster for their upcoming tour for some reason features Andre, who for some reason has meth tatts.

Where's the escapism in 2025 WWE? Wrestling's meant to be taken lightly. Ugandan Giants, Missing Links, Dragons, Snakes, Nature Boys, Giants, Bastions of Booger. Hard to take child-molesters and cunts lightly. And I hold every single person employed by WWE culpable. No-one gets a pass.

This thread is more depressing than a thousand Benoit obits.

Sorry to be literal, but they'll be seen in three-minute clips, given the alarming drop in attention-spans. Their theme song, them posing, a couple of big moves and a raised arm, all set to some shit music. Why watch Flair-Windham 90 minute draws when a Tik-Tok clip can tell me everything important about the Nature Boy? (Hardcore fans excepted.) Live crowds will be conditioned enough to pop for legends' returns, so their egos should be fine.

If we take the Empire to be the Sudetenland or Poland, then yes, the Empire has been overrun by the facists and Nazis.

I'd rather an eight-man tournament. It's their biggest gimmick tour, it should only have the best wrestlers, and everyone should be a (somewhat) realistic shot at winning the whole shebang. Stuff like YOSHI-HASHI vs Ren Narita is utterly superfluous.

Are you conflating the existence of weight-division titles, with the popularity of said weight-divisions? Promoters like nothing more than adding more titles, to this very day.