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I find her reign interminably long and mostly pretty boring, and for someone that has all these big strikes, her strikes often look very very light if not missing all together. It also feels like despite being champion, she's in a completely different division than the rest of the women. It's all very reminiscent of Asuka's booking but without the swag and entertainment value Asuka brings.
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Does ROH mean anything anywhere anymore?
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Jumbo absolutely torturing Kikuchi and presumably giving him the brain damage he seems to have been sporting in the past few years is actually a better feud than Jumbo vs Misawa. I almost feel like Jumbo was legitimately abusing his position in the company to hit Kikuchi as hard as he possibly could with no chance of reprisal. At times it feels gross, tbh.
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He's definitely in my top 20 for beating the fuck out of jobbers. Those poor Mid Atlantic guys. I think he was harder on those pukes than even the Road Warriors or Barbarian would eventually be.
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Yatsu is pretty cool. He definitely carries Choshu tags probably 95% of the time. Also lol that he got a WWF Championship match and double lol that he absolutely BLASTED Hulk in the face with a missile dropkick.
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Is TNA the worst wrestling promotion in history?
strobogo replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
I think the pay off is probably Moose brings the title back home and it will be barely mentioned on AEW TV and the whole belt collector thing is just some side story that really has nothing to do with anything. Kenny has been MEGA champion for like a year and a half and I think he's brought it to AEW TV twice. -
Is TNA the worst wrestling promotion in history?
strobogo replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
I want to say the first episode Kenny was on, there was a backstage segment with Tommy Dreamer telling D'Amore this is exactly what would happen, that AEW was going to use them and make them look bad and move on, and D'Amore was like BRO WE GOT KENNY OMEGA ON OUR SHOW THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT. And then 4 months later, AEW has completely big leagued TNA the whole time and TNA looks even lower rent than they did before this started. I really thought Tommy Dreamer was going to weasel his way onto TNT and take a One Winged Angel on thumbtacks, though. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
strobogo replied to TravJ1979's topic in Pro Wrestling
Shelton has a better WWE HOF career than a good chunk of guys inducted since 2004 based on just WWE careers. It would not be weird or out of line at all for a guy with as many IC/US/tag title reigns as him would eventually be inducted. But I'm still gonna rage when Dolph Ziggler gets into the HOF. -
I would say it is pretty incredible Warlord is alive at all and his heart didn't explode 20 years ago
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Every UWF show was on the various archive google drives for a couple of years so I'm sure that stuff is still pretty easy to find. In fact: User Account (archive.org) I've seen most of his UWF work and while it's much different to what you got out of him in WCW, he wasn't exceptional in that style or company and it probably wouldn't change your opinion of him all that much unless you truly have only seen him in WCW 2000.
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FinJuice/Good Brothers themes back to back might be the two worst entrance themes I've ever heard in a single match. I'm unreasonably annoyed that they kept talking up like there's never been a champion vs champion match when Don Callis is explicitly aping Heenan/Bockwinkel stuff and Bock himself was involved in multiple champion vs champion matches, and there were also plenty of AWA vs NWA and NWA vs WWWF matches not involving him.
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Idk if they are "classics" or not but Boss Man vs Hogan cagematch Boss Man vs Barbarian at the Rumble Boss Man vs Mr. Perfect at WM Boss Man vs Bam Bam at the Rumble Wanna say there was a real solid Ted vs Boss Man match either on MSG or MLG show
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As I mentioned before, the Macho/DiBiase match on the SNME right before WM4 is basically that match exactly except much better for various reasons, including a much hotter crowd and two guys that hadn't had 3 other matches in the night even if they were short. There were FIFTEEN matches before DiBiase/Savage at WM. There was no energy left for anyone or anything by that point. Miserable show.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
strobogo replied to TravJ1979's topic in Pro Wrestling
Brock vs Otis has been ruined because Bianca could easily carry Otis around on her shoulders so why should I be impressed if Brock can throw him -
Tenryu has matches with all those guys, but even early into his career his best matches are with Jumbo. And I mean as an opponent. Tenryu has quite a few matches teaming with or against Billy Robinson, Dory, The Von Erichs, Baba, Brody, Hansen, Flair, etc in his first couple of years. He rarely pulls it all together but there's definitely an extra gear he gets even in his earliest days when in the ring against Jumbo.
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This is exactly how I'd sum him up as well, and while my hatred of all things Michael Hayes makes me hold their association against Gordy, I actually think I find him more engaging in America even often with lesser talent. I think he was a guy who really vibed off the crowd energy and so a couple hundred rabid rednecks got him more amped up than 10-13k of engaged but not ravenous Japanese people.
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I lol every time at how weak Tenryu's powerbomb looks in the 80s. But each year it gets a little stiffer or at least not as hilariously gentle. His shoulder breaker he was doing for much of the same time in the early to mid 80s looks far more brutal. He takes quite a while to really start to find himself, which is kind of interesting considering his longevity and also how quickly someone like Jumbo go it. Even deep into the 80s, Tenryu from time to time seems completely lost and hesitant but also it doesn't matter at all. That's a major point in his favor because most wrestlers you'd really dock heavily for stuff like that but no one seems to mind at all with Tenryu.
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I don't know about this. Certainly not Sting post Bladerunners when he dropped some of the bulk. I would also probably argue that Nikita seemed like he had more potential and skills to be great right from the start and also delivered on it more than Goldberg, but much different eras and working styles. Although I believe Nikita was Goldberg's main inspiration. I really don't think Goldberg could have been much better than what he was. In WWE, he was working with better talent in longer matches with a style that required more than just smashing dudes in 90 seconds and never comes off as any better in the ring than he was in WCW. But honestly I don't know why you'd want more out of him than that. I also don't really want to see 10-15 minute Road Warriors or Warrior matches outside of a couple of pretty specific matches and circumstances. Or Barbarian/Meng. But I do like seeing them just annihilate dudes. Goldberg definitely could have been in some more great matches if he worked more with guys who were willing to put more thought and effort into the lay out like DDP in the same way that Warrior could be carried to some real classics if they lay out and opponents were right (I think Goldberg was better than Warrior at just about everything in the ring, though). Goldberg is an all timer for being able to project his character and aura into everything he did physically, which quite often is more important than anything else.
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I think that particular spot in the EC was because her arm was actually injured from the Ronda match and she couldn't actually apply the hold normally. But yeah I fully agree with her making memorable moments in big matches that stick with people in a way that really very very few can.
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I also don't believe there would be any heat on Charlotte for anything nor any chance of her leaving
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I've actually seen more of his AJPW work than FMW work and he was a real solid guy in the ring before the injury. Basically all the things that have been mentioned about his deathmatch work, but applied to junior heavyweight wrestling. I would imagine the junior scene in AJPW would have been wildly different in the 80s had Onita not suffered what appeared to be a complete freak and stupid injury. After Onita's injury, the title is barely defended. Chavo has a nearly 300 day reign with 4 defenses, Mighty Inoue has a 468 day reign with 6 defenses and I've seen all these matches with him and had no clue he was even a title holder during this period. It's briefly part of the Kobayashi vs Tiger Mask feud and as soon as Misawa Mask wins it, he has all of 1 defense before the title quietly goes dormant and is replaced with a non NWA affiliated championship about 9 months later. I will say I watched the Funk/Onita barbed wire match after the Mox/Omega one and was actually offended at how they directly just redid 90% of that match including the post match stuff but every single thing they did was worse than what Funk/Onita did in 1993.
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Bro, Regis interviewing Tenryu at Wrestlemania is an all timer "wtf that happened?" moment in wrestling
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The real cynicism is how many of these wrestlers actually have personal relationships with Meltzer and will use him to leak out shit they want leaked out but then make a public show against him when they feel it works for whatever narrative at the time. Also, jeez how does anyone listen to the radio show? Dave's bumbling, mumbling, stumbling, and ums and uhs, and inability to finish a thought before jumping to 7 other things will turn your brain to mush in just a few minutes.
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Remarkably talented at such a young age, but the way NXT UK is presented and booked, he might be in a limbo of only getting to show it off 2-3 times a year for the next few years. He's a guy that definitely would be well served to go on a worldwide tour for a couple of years, picking up influences and styles from all around to blend into his own style. And since he's young enough, he could do that and be back in WWE before he's even 30 as a completely well rounded talent and be able to go beyond the UK or even US NXT.