MikeCampbell

I wonder how/if this will effect the WWE Jeff Hardy DVD?

Because it reminds fans that anything can happen at any time, so if WWE is going to be in their area, they'd better go because they could be missing out.

I actually got this in the mail today (KC sent me this, and also a couple other DVDs to review on 411), and from what I've seen so far it's classic Cornette. Tons of hilarious stories with hilarious impressions, and Jim still has his knack for going off on entertaining tangents. After seeing the Flair and Vince promos in the context of what he was trying to achieve with his booking, they make a lot more sense. Although I still dislike the line about Vince having the say on who's hand goes up and who's shoulders go down.

It’s not really puzzling, to me anyway. Cornette had a similar mindset when doing the little angle between SMW and WCW. Most fans believe that all promotions hate each other, so they go all the way with it. It’s not as bad as Russo’s stuff where they use wrestlers real names and vague shoot references that most fans don’t understand. Although, I will admit, that I didn’t care for his line in the Flair promo about Vince deciding who’s hand goes up and who’s shoulders stay down.

It comes out on 8/25. There are 4 trailers, only two of them posted so far.

Has anyone seen the youtube trailers for this yet? There's only two of them so far, but this already looks like a must see DVD.

Without any real knowledge or background, it’s probably not all that different from when Otto Wanz got a run as champion. Baba knew that winning an American World Title would boost Jumbo’s popularity and drawing power (the same way that winning the NWA Title did for Baba), so he made a deal with Verne. And, because the buck stopped at Verne, and there weren’t a whole board of members like the NWA had, Jumbo got a few months with the title instead of a few days like Baba did as NWA Champion.

Should this prevent him from making it to Orlando for the PPV? If so, you just know someone's gonna be 'shooting' on him.

Mustapha went back to ECW for a short spell in '99 to feud with Jack, so it couldn't have been that bad.

I've been watching varous Jumbo AWA Title matches from All Japan Classics, and have really enjoyed what I've seen thus far. I'm curious if anyone knows what Dave's take on the decision to give Jumbo the title and any of his title defenses? Did Dave think Jumbo was lazy back in '84?

Dynamite and Davey Boy toward the end.

I'm sure they might *say* it, but saying it and doing it are two different things. They've got to know how unlikely it is that they'll get picked up by WWE, and they can't make the living working indies that they can in TNA. History has shown that workers *say* a lot, but don't always back it up. Mick was adamant that he was done after Montreal, but he came back. When the Radicalz left WCW it started out as a large group, and it was just the four at the end.

Between what I've seen of his work from watching AWA on ESPN Classic, and a pair of AWA Title matches with Jumbo, I'm curious what the consensus is of Nick Bockwinkel. Aside from the Hennig matches from '87, I've never really heard much pimping of his work. I've always been on the impression he was just another past-his-prime guy that Verne pushed in the mid 80's because he was out of touch, but after seeing a pair of fun matches with Boris Zukhov and Colonel DeBeers, I'm starting to re-think that notion.

The moveset thing is really annoying. Ricky Morton will be able to spike someone with a Tiger driver '91 and get a one count, but when he hits his finisher, the dropkick, it's over. Also, the little things that you can find in WWE games, like champions wearing belts to the ring (LOW 2 has World, U.S. and maybe Tag Team Champions), and the thing that I really found annoying, when tag teams would come out separately despite having the same music and video.

Bobby Heenan used to be the highlight on WCW Thunder. He always had to read the preview of whatever movie was on TBS afterwards, and it was usually pretty funny.

I think the mentality is that if it something happened on RAW then it doesn't count to ECW and SD. Like when Viscera went from the World's Largest Love Machine to Big Daddy V, and Styles and Tazz on ECW acted like he was some brand new guy.

Good idea in theory, but who do they bring in? Cornette has already said he has no desire to do so. Heyman is supposedly done with wrestling.

Actually, when I first started watching Josi in 2004 or so, that was the comparison that I was given when comparing the AJW to the AJPW roster in terms of roles and whatnot. Bull was Jumbo in the sense that she was the ace of the company in the beginning of the '90's and passed the torch to the new ace Aja Kong.

I'll try to meet you halfway. How about MMA isn't pro wrestling in the sense that it isn't worked.

I've heard a lot about this, but nothing specific. Could someone please post some details on his bio and his defenses of it? Not even a full c/p job (although that would be nice) but maybe just a few examples of his errors

I've got one that I'm hoping Khawk will be able to give some insight on. The theory that Greg Gagne was a terrible worker, was massively overpushed by Verne, and that he was universally hated.

Paging jdw . . . . In all seriousness, you're pretty much on the money about Brody. I don't know if it's the fact that he was friendly with Meltzer, the circumstances surrounding his death, or a combination, but he's been praised for "understanding the business" because he once said that if a babyface called for a back drop, then he'd kick them in the face because they should know better. If Bubba Ray Dudley, Bob Holly, etc were to say that, the IWC would have a collective fit.

The F-5 wasn't supposed to be the finish of Brock/Angle, the SSP was.

For me personally, I've found wrestling fandom to be a bit like investing, in that you get what you put in. And my years of fandom in various ways, from buying action figures as a child, to obsessively collecting and reading PWI and the like during my teens years, and tape collecting, is starting to pay off for me in various ways. I've met some great guys and made some good friends thanks to wrestling. Hell, I met my best friend because I was wearing a Mankind T-shirt when I ran to the grocery store for something and he saw me the parking lot and just said "hey, nice shirt." Five years later, he was the best man in my wedding. I've also been able to somewhat be involved in the business without actually having trained (and having no desire to). I've been lucky enough to have several face to face conversations with Colin Delaney. With discussions varying from famous Olsen Twins promos in Chikara to the future of his use of Colin Olsen as his ring name and he desire to hopefully go back to the WWE. This past Saturday night I was with my sister in law in Binghamton, NY at a show, waiting for the doors to open, and one of the ring crew guys comes up to me and says that Josh (promoter/booker/wrestler) saw I was here and wanted to talk to me. All he wanted to do was bullshit a bit, he asked how I liked his last show and the booking. Then he started venting about Slyck Wagner Brown complaining that doing an angle where heels handcuffed him would make his character look weak. This turned into us debating how who the real marks are, and talking about things like Bret refusing to put over Shawn in Montreal and Thesz always refusing to put over Buddy Rogers as examples. While I certainly think I'm lucky to have such experiences, I've also had headaches and situations that made me hate being a fan at times. The most recent was at Denny's, of all places, at like 1:00 am after a night out with the Mrs. and some friends. We happen to see a few local indy guys walk in, a couple of our friends literally start to squeal with excitement and want to do things like start applauding. My position was that they were probably tired and sore after wrestling and to leave them alone, and the guys couldn't believe I was so indifferent about the whole thing.

At this rate, I can't imagine Batista's in-ring career lasting too much longer. I don't think he'll be endeavored unless he seriously fucks up, but I can see them greatly downsizing his role.