MikeCampbell

I haven't seen a ton of David's work from Texas, but his Florida heel run wasn't anything special aside from the novelty of watching one of the Von Erich's work heel. I 100% agree with Sek's comment regarding his charisma, even watching the little bit of David featured on the documentary of the WWE World Class DVD, he looks far more fired up and excited than Kerry or Kevin. Of course, that might be the execption and not the rule. Other than David vs. Kamala, which Bix pimped on DVDVR a ways back, I'm at a loss for any great David matches that weren't the Freebird feud. I would agree with this to an extent. If you compare these three teams to later teams like La Resistance, Cade and Murdoch, Deuce and Domino, Hurricane/Rosey, or Cade and Jindrak, no question that the three of them were far more over. The only team who might have come close was Booker T/Goldust. But, as teams, they never really made it to the top. They worked occasional main events, but were either doing gimmicks like a six man tables match with Jericho and Angle teamed with them, or worked against other main eventers like Hardys vs. Austin/HHH or E&C vs. Rock and Taker. They were treated a lot better than the later tag teams would be, but I don't think they revitalized or revolutionized tag team wrestling. I liked this a lot, but I'll agree with Ditch about it being overrated. The main thing that I thought held it back was because the idea was that Cena was going into the match hurt (his ribs when Umaga splashed him through a table) but he never really sold them. He's clutch them when Umaga went after them, but there wasn't much beyond that. Aside from that, it was fairly smart worked. HHH or Michaels wouldn't have done anything close to this, they'd have been more likely to take everything Umage threw at them, and then Hulk-Up and finish him. Cena was smart enough to get his win by avoiding Umaga's biggest shots. Plus Umaga's bumping and selling for Cena was great, and throw in a few cutesy spots, like when Umaga ran across the announce tables, and it's quite the fun match. The absurdlys slow cover was a bit much, but I didn't think anything else was too bad. HHH's promo about Booker's "kind of people" not being ready for the title wasn't very tasteful, but it was Wrestling 101 to a degree. HHH doesn't think Booker is worthy and the next week, Booker pinned him in a tag match. The match itself was fine for the most part, HHH stooged a bit, and got his control segment when he pulled the rope and dodged the sidekick, and then started working over Booker's knee. It was one of the few times that the Pedigree bump being taken on the knee actually seemed logical. But the ultra slow cover was stupid.

This seems like a fun idea, given that there is no shortage of universally accepted truths in wrestling. Stuff like Kurt Angle being the best wrestler ever, Lex Luger supposedly being a musclehead with no talent at all, and the Dynamite/Tiger Mask series all being ***** classics have already been debated and debunked by the more level headed crowd (many of which can be found here). So I thought it'd be fun to examine some others and see how much water they hold. I'll add some of my own thoughts later, please feel free to add to it. These aren't necesarrily my opinions or things that I dislike, just things that I seem to hear a lot of. - David Von Erich was the best worker out of the whole family. - The Hardys/Dudleys/Edge and Christian feud revitalized tag team wrestling in the WWF/WWE. - John Cena vs. Umaga from Royal Rumble '07 is a lost classic. - The buildup and eventual match between HHH and Booker T at WrestleMania XIX buried Booker.

Not that I've seen, but then again, the only boards that we've both posted on (to my knowledge anyway) have usually been fairly level-headed places with a minimum of stupidity. But I do think Sek is probably right, I doubt it'll happen beyond the Wade superfans at the Torch boards, but it'll happen. That's the fun in the interweb, people take criticisim too personally and get carried away. You've experienced it yourself a bit, when dealing with Alvarez over Angle/Michaels. It's all over the place, if you criticise TNA then you're a blind WWE mark, if you criticise ROH then you 'don't understand real wrestling.' Hell, I've been called a piece of shit and worse for saying that I'm able to watch, and enjoy, Benoit matches.

Vince getting pissed at him for wanting time off is what led to him losing the title to HTM. I heard somewhere, I forget where, that he'd told Vince that Bonnie was pregnant long before and wanted to delay the Savage match but Vince was adamant that it be at WM3.

The eight foot claim was for Giant Gonzalez aka El Gigante.

I very much enjoyed the show, although I thought the ending of the main event was complete horse shit. Steamboat still has it!

I'm pretty sure that "I'm not feeling it" referrs to the first UT/Lesnar match at Unforgiven '02.

It's not supposed to be racist (unless the Simpsons episode implies it, I've never seen it), just somewhat surprising and funny that he didn't know the origin of St. Patricks Day. I learned about it when I was in elementary school, but I lived in a town with a lot of Irish people and heritiage, so I sort of took it for granted that it was fairly well known.

Being Irish as well, I think you might be right, Sek. Unless it was some subtle attempt at sarcasm, and Scooter isn't the subtle type.

I hear Big Show let the cat out of the bag on VH-1 that it was gonna be Edge/Show/Cena for the World Title.

HHH actually acknowledged that they were married in real life on TV and referred to her as the mother of his kids. You're right, it doesn't make much sense.

Wouldn't No Mercy '07 in the LMS match be Orton's big win over HHH? Has anyone heard anything about Cena/Austin at WM? I haven't, but there are posts on DVDVR mentioning it. I'd dig Edge/Rey at WM and I could see them doing Edge/Christian too.

I'd like to see Edge stay on SD and HHH go back to RAW, he's got the history with Steph and the McMahons, plus it can be explained as Vicky giving him a release from SD (they set the precedent with Matt Hardy leaving ECW that way). That sets up HHH/Orton for WM. And I'm sure they'll add Cena (they've got a habit of doing that the past few years). The problem that leaves is that doesn't leave a big SD main event. I suppose they could do Edge/UT again, but that's pretty played out IMO. Jeff is busy with Matt, and I'm blanking as to anyone else they could use in that role.

Granted, I haven't watched a full episode of RAW in months and haven't watched SD period in even longer, so I'm not quite up to date on what's going on. But did anyone see Edge's loss and win coming at all? I thought it was weird that they put mid carders like Kofi and Knox in the Chamber match, but I wouldn't have called Edge winning the World Title in a million years. I figured that Edge would either win his match and then lose the WWE Title to HHH at WM, or he'd lose it in the Chamber to HHH and then challenge him at WM.

I honestly think people are overreacting a bit by saying how it's such a huge waste to put him on ECW. The brand split hasn't truly meant anything since 2007 when they stopped running the single brand PPVs. The move to ECW is probably to get him back into the swing of things as far as the traveling and to work off any ring rust from his time off. And there's no reason why he couldn't work a month long program with Swagger and then go to RAW or SD.

Re: Flair/Luger/Sting. This is the only scenario I can see playing out: Luger wins the title at WrestleWar. Luger retains over Flair in the cage at Capitol Combat. Flair challenges Luger at Clash 11 but Sting makes his return and costs Flair the title. Sting/Flair still wrestle at the GAB, but who does Luger wrestle? Sid? Windham? I'm lost for a good opponent for him. Halloween Havoc can be used for the War Games: The Four Horsemen vs. Luger/Sting/Pillman/Zenk (Steiners were feuding with the Nasty Boys at this time). I'd actually give the Horsemen the win after some sort of mis communication between Sting and Luger, which leads to . . . . Luger turns heel on Sting at Clash 13. Sting wins the title from Luger at Starrcade. Instead of jumping right into Flair/Sting in '91, WCW could have brought back Muta for a spell to work a program with Sting over the title.

He's said several times before that it was Orndorff turning on Hogan that turned him into a huge fan, which was 2 or 3 months after Wrestlemania 2. He can't even keep his own memories straight, and people are supposed to trust him as an authority?

No, you're not the only one, Bob. I figured he'd have been released a good three or four years ago. Has he had any role on WWE TV, other than occasional jobber, since he was Bischoff's Chief of Staff in 2003?

TNA will continue to make asinine decisions both in the booking of their shows, and on the business end in regards to who they sign.

Not trying to dig up the argument again or anything, but I came across an episode of WOL with Tony as a guest on it, and this was actually brought up. Tony's take on it was that he'd been talked to by other wrestlers and promoters before and told to get on the gas (while not being blatantly to get on the gas), and that he didn't get that vibe from JR at all.