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Agreed on this. I was thinking more in the early 1990's under Jim Herd or Kip Frye, who knew jack about the business and would believe that Brody was a huge star and could draw them big money. You're forgetting two things here. Vince's ego and Hogan's ego. I'm sure Vince would love to be able to say he was one of the few promoters who either (A. Were able to actually do business with Brody, or (B. Had the grapefruits to tell Brody where to stick it when he tried his bullshit. Don't you also think that Hogan would jump at the chance to be able to brag that he was one of a handful of people who'd beaten Brody clean? Eddie and Art coming in to WCW in '95 would have been their best bet. The tag division was more or less the Nasty Boys, Harlem Heat, and Bunkhouse Buck/Dick Slater. They'd be a fresh team being added to the mix with a unique style of wrestling. 1996 brought the returns of the Road Warriors and Steiners, which they'd probably be jazzed about working with. But, yeah, they'd have been buried over time. So what actually happened was better for Eddie.

I think Eddie and Art would both have made it to WCW from ECW. Bischoff was dead set on beating Vince, and he'd jump at the chance to bring in a team like Eddie and Art. That said, I'm sure Art would have done something stupid down the line and blown it, but he'd have at least made it there. I've talked about Brody before on this board, and my opinion hasn't changed. He'd have gone to Vince for the big money Hogan run, and then went away or was told to go away. He'd have also bullshitted his way to a big money deal in WCW, and, again, went away or was told go away. Then he'd go to ECW to pop a house for Paul E. and then screw him over. Come back in a few months to make amends and pop another house, and then screw him over again. Magnum would have gotten the big win over Flair, but, like John said, it wouldn't have been a huge run. Flair/Magnum would have drawn a huge gate for the win, and then rematches around the circuit, but then what? The only other real money match, on paper at least, is Magnum/Nikita. Crash would have wound up like Spike Dudley. He was doing the Mad Mikey gimmick in TNA when he passed. He'd have had his run and then left and worked small time indies and then left the business. Spike is now working in an Uno Chicago Grill according to his Wiki entry.

Per Dana White, it's some sort of intestinal disorder. Brock has to undergo surgery and his fighting career may be over.

Hmmmm. I could have sworn that I'd read, years ago, that the heat was due to the '86 title change. Thanks for the info though, John.

I've never heard that particular story about Dusty and Baba. I know that Baba and the NWA had problems when Dusty won the belt from Flair in '86 he went on a tour of New Japan, who wasn't in the alliance. They obviously worked them out, since Flair went back in '87 and Steamboat in '89.

JD Dunn has reveviewed the first disc. Sadly, the two Funk wins are just short clips. Can anyone who's seen it verify if the Harley/Dusty match is their '79 one?

I've seen this match, and it quickly turned me into a huge Mimi fan

The main selling point for me are Rogers, Dory, and Terry wins.

Disc 1: Documentary & NWA Matches Chapters: * Origins of Wrestling * "An American Hero" Frank Gotch * Ed "Strangler" Lewis * National Wrestling Alliance * Lou Thesz * Buddy Rogers * New Breed of Champions * 1970s World Champions * A Flair for the Gold * Crockett's World Champion * NWA to WCW * WCW Withdraws From NWA * Revolving WCW Champions * The Undisputed Championship * World Championship Returns * Legacy Lives Matches: * Chicago 1961 - 2 out of 3 Falls: Pat O'Connor vs. Buddy Rogers * Florida 2/11/69 - Gene Kiniski vs. Dory Funk Jr. * Florida 12/10/75 - Jack Brisco vs. Terry Funk * Florida 8/21/79 - Harley Race vs. Dusty Rhodes * AWA SuperClash - Ric Flair vs. Magnum TA * Great American Bash '90 - Ric Flair vs. Sting Disc 2 – WCW * Clash of Champions XIV - Ric Flair vs. Scott Steiner * Great American Bash '91 - Lex Luger vs. Barry Windham * Baltimore 8/2/92 - Vader vs. Ron Simmons * WCW Saturday Night 10/16/93 - Vader vs. Ricky Steamboat * Halloween Havoc '94 - Career vs. Career Steel Cage Match: Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair * SuperBrawl VIII - Sting vs. Hollywood Hogan * Nitro 7/6/98 - Hollywood Hogan vs. Goldberg * Bash at the Beach '00 - Jeff Jarrett vs. Booker T * No Mercy '01 - The Rock vs. Chris Jericho Disc 3 - WWE * Unforgiven '02 - Triple H vs. Rob Van Dam * Taboo Tuesday '04 - Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels * No Way Out '06 - Kurt Angle vs. The Undertaker * SmackDown 4/7/06 - Rey Mysterio vs. Randy Orton * Armageddon '07 - Batista vs. Undertaker vs. Edge * Survivor Series '08 - John Cena vs. Chris Jericho * Extreme Rules '09 - Ladder Match: Jeff Hardy vs. Edge

In that case, Courture and Liddell stole the concept from Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie.

I just watched and reviewed Starrcade '87 for 411 and my own site. I was thoroughly impressed by the effort that all of the guys put in, considering it's got somewhat of a rep of being a bad show. I really enjoyed the Flair/Garvin match, and I think I'm going to hunt down their Detroit match to see if the Starrcade match is any better with the context of having seen that match. I loved how they made the finish work, with Flair trying several times to use the cage, but Garvin always stops him, and Flair finally outsmarted him by picking him up and throwing him into the cage, which was enough to knock him out. Considering that the cage spot is usually done for an excuse to juice, or just for something to do, I really liked how they made the effort to make it mean something more. The plays off the finish of their Detroit match (which I'd seen clips of) were also nice, and even the ref bump wasn't a big deal, it gave a measure of doubt for a single near fall, far from ruining a match.

I wonder if ROH will make a big deal about their latest award in their newswire. "Best Place to Watch Straight Men Get All Homoerotic." According to the Village Voice.

I'm not sure if this is the one you're thinking of, Loss, but this was the only one coming to mind. "I tried to take care of the poor guy, but I'd be lying if I said I cared more about his physical well-being than the well-being of the videotape. His pain would go away, eventually, the video wouldn't."

I don't think it will ever happen. But it'd be a great "fuck you" to Russo for Shane to call him and tell him he wants to come in and cut a promo. He comes out as a surprise and double crosses Russo and buries *him* live on PPV.

Wouldn't Austin/Angle and Jericho/Rock also fall under the realm of true WWF matches? Austin/Angle was also run into the ground. Summerslam, Unforgiven, their RAW main event where Austin won the title back, and No Mercy. Compared to Austin/Foley, which really only last for about two months in '98. As far as guys not associated with WCW, the only member of the group who really got a strong reaction that didn't have a WWF association was RVD. The Alliance was more or less Austin, Angle later on, RVD, Christian, and then a bunch of lower card WWF guys (Raven, Credible, Test) and then the WCW guys like Palumbo, Storm, Kanyon, and Hurricane.

I think that Mick was supposed to come out of retirement during the actual InVasion for a match with William Regal, WWF Commissioner vs. Alliance Commissioner.

There's the story from the Pick Your Poison DVD, where Grizzly wore a neckbrace around the house and everywhere after Harley Race injured him. Jake and his siblings were scared that Race was going to kill him. Also, the Sandman staying at home for a month after Tommy Dreamer 'blinded' him to make it seem legit.

The point to my post, and Brodie story, is that the people you deal with very well may be the exception, not the rule. Look at the recent cases in the WWE of fans trying to run into the ring. More often than not it's alcohol induced and/or someone just wanting to get on TV or PPV. Also, Jingus, look at the area you're working in. I'm not taking shots here, I promise, but there's a reason that the stereotypes for wrestling fans are similar to the stereotypes for people down south. Finally, just to play Devil's Advocate for a minute, wrestling fans are probably the greatest number of people who believe something not real is real, but not the only ones. I think I've told this story before, but I'll repeat it anyway. My wife once told me a story that a budding musician got a gig on 90210 as Donna's abusive boyfriend, and would have protests at his gigs and promotional appearances that he needed to stop hitting Donna.

I think Keith nailed it here. A fan threw a chair at Brodie Lee at a show last year, Brodie followed him out the front door and punched him out in the parking lot. Not one person faulted him for it. In fact, he wound up being turned into a babyface over it. Back in 'the day' when everyone thought it was 100% real, Brodie would probably need police escorts to and from ringside.

Or the scores of fans who happy to hear about the death of Victor Quiñones?

Aside from the manager/adviser/whatever to the Hart Dynasty, I don't see what else Bret could do and be effective at. There might be money in doing something with Shawn, but I doubt Bret wants to go down that road.

So you didn't book the match then, Rob?

I'm an admitted huge Cornette fan, but I'll admit that I didn't care for some of his ideas either, but I still thought he booked in the angle well for the most part. I don't see what's so bad about this. Austin/Foley hadn't been done in nearly four years by the time of WM, and it would certainly be a money match. Completely agree here. I'd feel differently if there was some kind of underlying feud a la Jericho/Steamboat. What's so bad about this? 2002 Booker T was going nowhere fast, he really didn't pick up steam until Shawn Michaels Superkicked him out of the nWo. WWE did it in 2003, and at least Dudleys/Warriors is somewhat of a dream match. As opposed to the one-shot deal with RVD/Kane that meant nothing. I like the idea of a second generation team, Legacy has done quite well in the WWE, but not Rhodes/Jarrett. I was surprised he included Jarrett, considering he said he left out Luger and Zybyszko due to their grudges with Vince. It worked in ECW. Cornette has always done worked shoots to some degree. The Midnights vs. Midnights feud, the WCW/SMW deal, and even some stuff in SMW like when he exposed Dixie Dyn-O-Mite as Scott Armstrong. He was smart enough to use them in moderation instead of doing tons of them on every show.

Has there been any confirmation of it? Someone posted it on the F4W board, and was waiting for Dave or Bryan to confirm it, but none has come yet. Edit: It was just posted on the F4W site.

All of Jeff's fans can rest easy, it's just a case of exaggeration. From Jeff's Twitter: "Alot of exaggerations are out there today, don't believe everything you read 4 it is not true, I am at home and fine-thanks for your concern."