MikeCampbell

I just watched and reviewed Starrcade '87 for 411 and my own site. I was thoroughly impressed by the effort that all of the guys put in, considering it's got somewhat of a rep of being a bad show. I really enjoyed the Flair/Garvin match, and I think I'm going to hunt down their Detroit match to see if the Starrcade match is any better with the context of having seen that match. I loved how they made the finish work, with Flair trying several times to use the cage, but Garvin always stops him, and Flair finally outsmarted him by picking him up and throwing him into the cage, which was enough to knock him out. Considering that the cage spot is usually done for an excuse to juice, or just for something to do, I really liked how they made the effort to make it mean something more. The plays off the finish of their Detroit match (which I'd seen clips of) were also nice, and even the ref bump wasn't a big deal, it gave a measure of doubt for a single near fall, far from ruining a match.

I wonder if ROH will make a big deal about their latest award in their newswire. "Best Place to Watch Straight Men Get All Homoerotic." According to the Village Voice.

I'm not sure if this is the one you're thinking of, Loss, but this was the only one coming to mind. "I tried to take care of the poor guy, but I'd be lying if I said I cared more about his physical well-being than the well-being of the videotape. His pain would go away, eventually, the video wouldn't."

I don't think it will ever happen. But it'd be a great "fuck you" to Russo for Shane to call him and tell him he wants to come in and cut a promo. He comes out as a surprise and double crosses Russo and buries *him* live on PPV.

Wouldn't Austin/Angle and Jericho/Rock also fall under the realm of true WWF matches? Austin/Angle was also run into the ground. Summerslam, Unforgiven, their RAW main event where Austin won the title back, and No Mercy. Compared to Austin/Foley, which really only last for about two months in '98. As far as guys not associated with WCW, the only member of the group who really got a strong reaction that didn't have a WWF association was RVD. The Alliance was more or less Austin, Angle later on, RVD, Christian, and then a bunch of lower card WWF guys (Raven, Credible, Test) and then the WCW guys like Palumbo, Storm, Kanyon, and Hurricane.

I think that Mick was supposed to come out of retirement during the actual InVasion for a match with William Regal, WWF Commissioner vs. Alliance Commissioner.

There's the story from the Pick Your Poison DVD, where Grizzly wore a neckbrace around the house and everywhere after Harley Race injured him. Jake and his siblings were scared that Race was going to kill him. Also, the Sandman staying at home for a month after Tommy Dreamer 'blinded' him to make it seem legit.

The point to my post, and Brodie story, is that the people you deal with very well may be the exception, not the rule. Look at the recent cases in the WWE of fans trying to run into the ring. More often than not it's alcohol induced and/or someone just wanting to get on TV or PPV. Also, Jingus, look at the area you're working in. I'm not taking shots here, I promise, but there's a reason that the stereotypes for wrestling fans are similar to the stereotypes for people down south. Finally, just to play Devil's Advocate for a minute, wrestling fans are probably the greatest number of people who believe something not real is real, but not the only ones. I think I've told this story before, but I'll repeat it anyway. My wife once told me a story that a budding musician got a gig on 90210 as Donna's abusive boyfriend, and would have protests at his gigs and promotional appearances that he needed to stop hitting Donna.

I think Keith nailed it here. A fan threw a chair at Brodie Lee at a show last year, Brodie followed him out the front door and punched him out in the parking lot. Not one person faulted him for it. In fact, he wound up being turned into a babyface over it. Back in 'the day' when everyone thought it was 100% real, Brodie would probably need police escorts to and from ringside.

Or the scores of fans who happy to hear about the death of Victor Quiñones?

Aside from the manager/adviser/whatever to the Hart Dynasty, I don't see what else Bret could do and be effective at. There might be money in doing something with Shawn, but I doubt Bret wants to go down that road.

So you didn't book the match then, Rob?

I'm an admitted huge Cornette fan, but I'll admit that I didn't care for some of his ideas either, but I still thought he booked in the angle well for the most part. I don't see what's so bad about this. Austin/Foley hadn't been done in nearly four years by the time of WM, and it would certainly be a money match. Completely agree here. I'd feel differently if there was some kind of underlying feud a la Jericho/Steamboat. What's so bad about this? 2002 Booker T was going nowhere fast, he really didn't pick up steam until Shawn Michaels Superkicked him out of the nWo. WWE did it in 2003, and at least Dudleys/Warriors is somewhat of a dream match. As opposed to the one-shot deal with RVD/Kane that meant nothing. I like the idea of a second generation team, Legacy has done quite well in the WWE, but not Rhodes/Jarrett. I was surprised he included Jarrett, considering he said he left out Luger and Zybyszko due to their grudges with Vince. It worked in ECW. Cornette has always done worked shoots to some degree. The Midnights vs. Midnights feud, the WCW/SMW deal, and even some stuff in SMW like when he exposed Dixie Dyn-O-Mite as Scott Armstrong. He was smart enough to use them in moderation instead of doing tons of them on every show.

Has there been any confirmation of it? Someone posted it on the F4W board, and was waiting for Dave or Bryan to confirm it, but none has come yet. Edit: It was just posted on the F4W site.

All of Jeff's fans can rest easy, it's just a case of exaggeration. From Jeff's Twitter: "Alot of exaggerations are out there today, don't believe everything you read 4 it is not true, I am at home and fine-thanks for your concern."

I wonder how/if this will effect the WWE Jeff Hardy DVD?

Because it reminds fans that anything can happen at any time, so if WWE is going to be in their area, they'd better go because they could be missing out.

I actually got this in the mail today (KC sent me this, and also a couple other DVDs to review on 411), and from what I've seen so far it's classic Cornette. Tons of hilarious stories with hilarious impressions, and Jim still has his knack for going off on entertaining tangents. After seeing the Flair and Vince promos in the context of what he was trying to achieve with his booking, they make a lot more sense. Although I still dislike the line about Vince having the say on who's hand goes up and who's shoulders go down.

It’s not really puzzling, to me anyway. Cornette had a similar mindset when doing the little angle between SMW and WCW. Most fans believe that all promotions hate each other, so they go all the way with it. It’s not as bad as Russo’s stuff where they use wrestlers real names and vague shoot references that most fans don’t understand. Although, I will admit, that I didn’t care for his line in the Flair promo about Vince deciding who’s hand goes up and who’s shoulders stay down.

It comes out on 8/25. There are 4 trailers, only two of them posted so far.

Has anyone seen the youtube trailers for this yet? There's only two of them so far, but this already looks like a must see DVD.

Without any real knowledge or background, it’s probably not all that different from when Otto Wanz got a run as champion. Baba knew that winning an American World Title would boost Jumbo’s popularity and drawing power (the same way that winning the NWA Title did for Baba), so he made a deal with Verne. And, because the buck stopped at Verne, and there weren’t a whole board of members like the NWA had, Jumbo got a few months with the title instead of a few days like Baba did as NWA Champion.

Should this prevent him from making it to Orlando for the PPV? If so, you just know someone's gonna be 'shooting' on him.

Mustapha went back to ECW for a short spell in '99 to feud with Jack, so it couldn't have been that bad.

I've been watching varous Jumbo AWA Title matches from All Japan Classics, and have really enjoyed what I've seen thus far. I'm curious if anyone knows what Dave's take on the decision to give Jumbo the title and any of his title defenses? Did Dave think Jumbo was lazy back in '84?