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For Parv -- All Japan announcers
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Japan is a collection of islands so the entire country was the territory (plus Guam and to a lesser extent Hawaii. ) You'd have to study the match cards to determine which company drew better in which prefecture, the cities they ran and the venues they used. I'm not sure which wrestlers were the best draws in which region. For many people, wrestling was Baba and Inoki and they were the draws. New Japan was traditionally the bigger, more successful company outside of the occasional downturn in business. They ran bigger venues in Tokyo than All Japan did. I'm sure there were variances in the different prefectures and how each company drew, but it would take a lot of work to find that info. -
Since you know that wrestling is an imperfect form of storytelling, aren't you just using the anime analogy to amuse yourself? How do you deal with the lack of continuity in lucha?
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Taue was polished in 1990? Misawa wasn't polished in 1990.
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Indeed. I am very keen to see other Invader matches after that.
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The Invader I match is awesome. By far the best thing I watched today. Everybody should check it out:
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The Flair match was a bit of a disappointment. I think that's enough casual viewing of Jake. Time to move onto a more deserving worker.
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Man, the 12/26/97 Kansai/Ozaki match is not good. I think we can easily draw a line in the sand with Kansai where anything she did after the 4/97 Fukuoka match is for the hardest of hardcore fans only.
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He wasn't that type of worker early in his career. In his original AAA run he was a comedy worker who could go. He'll pop up with strong performances in trios matches, but it wasn't until that Monterrey Santo brawl in 2001 that we really saw the bloody side of La Parka. I'll take a title match over a brawl six days a week and twice on Sundays, so I would recommend people watch the first Parka/Lizmark match from Triplemania. AAA booking decimates the feud thereafter, but the first match is sensational (in my view at least, opinion was slightly divided in the yearbook feedback.)
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The trouble is that '84-89 output isn't very good when compared with the rest of the wrestling world. I love Tito, but when you get outside the Valentine and Savage feuds, some of the Strike Force tags and a few random matches like the Bob Orton Jr ones, there's not a lot to hang your hat on. I always wanted to see that early Adonis/Santana match that Kevin recalled. I sometimes check to see whether it's popped up yet, but I think it's a bit of a lost cause.
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It's interesting that you think Zoltan is in that tier. I really need to re-watch his stuff. I like Kidd, but wouldn't nominate him. Jordan has never really impressed me. In the Microscope, I had a thread ranking the European workers into different tiers. I haven't updated it since October of last year, so it doesn't reflect many of my current attitudes, but these are the top tier guys for me: However many WoS workers I chose, they will likely come from these names.
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Mark "Rollerball" Rocco, a man who needs no introduction. This to me is one of his finest performances. It was supposed to be a Royal Albert Hall match against Kung Fu, which they'd built to on television for several weeks, but Kung Fu bailed on the promoters at the last moment and went to work for Stu Hart. Steve McHoy may have been the standby guy for the show, I'm not sure, but he was an unknown and far from the level of Rocco's billed opponent. But just watch what Rocco does with him and the heat he gets. It's phenomenal. Another two birds with one stone -- Dave Bond and Johnny Kincaid, the Caribbean Sunshine Boys. Near riots at each show caused the promoters to break up this racially charged tag team, but we have this gem on tape. Bond is one of the most lovable WoS wrestlers around -- a real trier whose performance level goes up and down with his weight. Kincaid had a pretty solid run in the late 70s. I recommend all of the Tony St. Clair matches that tie into the CSB run as that was the actual focus of the heel run not Roberts and Kung Fu.
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Super Destroyer Pete Roberts, like everyone I was put off by his lack of charisma at first, but keep working at it and you'll find he was one of the best workers of his generation. Here he is in a feud with top face Wayne Bridges, who turned not-so-subtle heel for the duration: The brilliant Caswell Martin, as fine a wrestler as you'll see in a WoS ring, but overlooked by promoters in the UK:
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There are five Cortez/Haward matches on tape. I liked their 11/5/80 and 1/13/87 bouts the best. Tremendous cutting edge series. I actually didn't click about the UWF influence until now. I've never bothered to watch Haward's UWF stuff, but he brought back some of that to the UK.
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For Parv -- All Japan announcers
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The main guy in the 80s was Kuramochi. Wakabayashi took over as the lead announcer in 1990. The guy you've been listening to on the Excite Series podcast is most likely Wakabayashi not Fukuzawa. Fukuzawa was a secondary announcer at the time. Wakabayashi started the whole screaming thing, which is why people confuse the two. Fukuzawa took it to an extreme in case you're trying to tell them apart. I didn't mention Baba because I thought you wanted to know who the other commentators were. The colour guy with the gravelly voice was Yamada. -
For Parv -- All Japan announcers
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It was probably either an actress, model or comedian. I found a list of talent that made guest appearances, but nothing substantial. It was a slightly old practice with the networks. AJW would have guests all the time. -
Never have I seen so many sheepish looking musicians in a recording studio.
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For Parv -- All Japan announcers
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I've never heard of that. Can you post an example? Was it a sound-byte where they spoke to the flower girl momentarily or something longer? Perhaps the flower girl was someone of note. Occasionally they had special guest commentators who were celebrities. -
Voices of Wrestling WON HOF - Mexico w/Matt Farmer
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I have no doubt that Villano was a great worker or at least an excellent one, but the only proof we have that he had countless great matches is hearsay. We only have a half dozen matches from his prime and none of them are blow away great matches. I respect what his peers have to say about him, but that leads to grey areas like opinions over workers such as Santo or Solitario. Did you see tons of Misioneros matches live or on tape? I can't see how it would be the latter since we don't have tons of Misioneros footage. I'm aware of their rep, but I suspect it may be over inflated. I don't doubt that they had an influence on trios groups and live gates particularly after the Santo incident, but there were other trios gimmicks before them like La Ola Blanca that did big business and plenty of gimmick tag teams were likewise draws. First and foremost, I think their biggest legacy was that light weight wrestlers could be pushed to main event slots, though ironically the two guys who they saw the most potential in (Texano and Brazo de Oro) never achieved the kind of success Flores foresaw for them *because* they were put in trios teams. The work we have of theirs on tape doesn't hold up well. Navarro wrestled nothing like he does now for example. -
For Parv -- All Japan announcers
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As for Fukuzawa, the less said the better... I'll defer to Hisa here: "No offense, but among the Japanese fans, Akira Fukuzawa was not the most popular announcer. His approach was rather comical and over-reacting (plus, his high-pitched voice), and that contradicted the stiff style of All Japan during that time. His style was somewhat controversial, and Hiroshi Hase, still with New Japan then, once said, "if I meet him in person, I'd probably punch him into the face". So, if you knew the language, there's a big chance you wouldn't enjoy his style. Don't get me wrong, though. He had a lot of fans because of his unique style, but in general, his predecessor Kenji Wakabayashi is a lot more popular and respected." -
For Parv -- All Japan announcers
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Wakabayashi was the one the fans loved and petitioned to come back. He complained on air about the show being cut from an hour to thirty minutes, which I'm sure would endear him to folks. -
I love Keith Haward. I think he's a wrestling machine. He reminds me of a 1981 Ken Shamrock. The trouble is he was all business, no personality and that lack of charisma will cost him dearly, especially when there's so many larger than life TV personalities to be discovered.
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Boscik is a guy who disappointed me at first I suppose because I expected him to be the most tricked out mat worker ever (with the name and him being Hungarian and all.) It wasn't until I watched his matches with Grey (who else?) that I realised what a great bumping and stooging heel he was, and I appreciate that aspect of his work more now. I need to revisit some of the earlier stuff I dismissed, but he's a second tier WoS guy to me and he's hurt by his 80s stuff not being that great. We do have a good sampling of his late 70s peak though, so that's a positive.
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Vintage Negro Casas of the Day #9
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That's interesting. I didn't pick up on that. You should be writing this blog! -
The "deaf and dumb star" Alan Kilby. Yes, he really was deaf, and a fantastic wrestler too. Bert Royal, brother of Vic Faulkner and one half or the Royals tag team which were the Rock 'n' Roll Express of their day. Another contender for Walton's favourite wrestler of all time. This is a 2-1 as it also has McManus' long time partner in crime, Steve Logan. See if you can spot his neck.
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The mat genius, Alan Sarjeant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyLWeyqcIN8 The wrestling machine, Keith Haward: