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I'm not sure what they were doing bringing Canek in. i guess he was a running mate of Wagner's on the indy circuit. This was a whole bunch of nothing. Even Santo couldn't salvage it. Bucanero & Tarzan Boy were there for the workrate but produced zilch. Bucanero continues to be a disappointment. I don't know what happened to the guy. He used to be one of the best workers in the company and must-see viewing, but he's fallen off badly. I can only assume it has something to do with injuries.
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The Beginner's Guide To British Wrestling
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I probably wrote about it on another site or in a different thread. This thread began well after tellumyort began uploading matches from the Wrestling Channel. That was a fun time. I miss the excitement of checking out his daily uploads. -
Bob Backlund & Ivan Putski vs. Jerry Valiant & Johnny Valiant (WWF, 7/21/79) The esteemed elliott calls this one of the best WWF tag matches of all-time, but I can't quite figure out why. It seems very similar to other WWF tag matches where one partner is injured and forced to leave the ring and the partner fights on two-against-one. Putski did look pretty good. I am gonna make a wild guess that he didn't look this good very often. Huge disappointment for me that the match doesn't continue when Backlund returns from the back. Bob Backlund vs. Killer Khan (WWF, 4/18/81) This match was nowhere near as bad as I imagined it would be. It's very much a Bob Backlund wrestles Killer Khan and they do some light shtick match as opposed to one of Killer Khan's wild brawls or a match from a classic Backlund feud, but really the only problem with it is that it's too damn short. I was just starting to get into it and then it was over.
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Billy Goelz and other 50s finds
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Sonny Myers vs Baron Arena (NWA Chicago, 1955) Verne Gagne vs Bobby Nelson (NWA Chicago, 1955) The first match had already been uploaded by the Chicago Film Archives with some people suggesting in the comments section that it was from earlier than 1955. The Gagne match doesn't appeared to have been uploaded by the CFA. Gagne is one of the greatest wrestlers to ever lace a pair of boots in my estimation but this isn't much of a wrestling contest. Nelson had recently turned heel and was working on a new ornery style of wrestling. All of the best bits involved Gagne retaliating to Nelson's bullshit. Gagne was pretty good at dishing out shit of his own, so the match flowed okay, but I would have liked to have seen Verne wrestle a bit more. -
This should have been better. Let them brawl and bleed a bit. As it stood, it was little more than an angle to set up their hair match. It was basically WWE style programming only I'd argue that the work was better in WWE TV matches. I'm not getting my hopes up about the hair match.
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This was the second eliminator cibernetico for the Leyenda de Plata. I didn't find it as engaging as the first eliminator. There wasn't a lot of high level talent in the match, and for the first time I found Atlantis' rudo act kind of boring. Ultimo Dragon did better than expected, but even with editing the match plodding along in fits and starts. There were a lot of miscues from Mistico and Sagrada, including a suplex from Sagrada that appeared to knock Maximo out cold. Things appeared to heat up towards the end when Mistico eliminated Mephisto and squared off against Atlantis but a terrible finish ruined that matchup. Santo run in to make the save at the end, which was the highlight of the bout. I'm looking forward to watching their match again after so many years, but I'm kind of dreading CMLL's circus bullshit.
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This was edited in a way that made it seem like non-stop action. The cuts were a bit haphazard at times, but it came across as an enjoyable highlights package. Jado had a solid run in this as a nondescript Takaiwa style junior working an ass kicker role in a lucha cibernetico. Santo did a bunch of signature spots, but he did them in a way that made him seem like he was one of the best workers in the world. I really liked his amazing side belly-to-belly suplex off the top that eliminated Averno. That was such an unexpected badass elimination in this type of match. It came down to Santo vs. Casas in the end. It had been a while since Arena Mexico had seen them square off, so there was plenty of excitement in the air. It wasn't vintage Santo vs. Casas, but not bad. The only problem with it was that they booked an extra fall that Santo won in only 13 seconds. They should have gone longer than that. Not sure whose bright idea that was.
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The Beginner's Guide To British Wrestling
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I was saddened to hear about the passing of Brain Goldbelt Maxine. 86 is a fair old knock, though. -
Johnny Smith vs. Chris Benoit (CWA 8/1/91) This is a decent match. Smith works as a de facto heel, which is odd since there's nothing really heelish about him. He's announced as "The Dynamite Kid." Not sure if they were trying to fob him off as the real thing. Benoit puts in a solid shift as the babyface.
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That's from a decade later. Verdu did end up working in Germany a fair bit in the later part of his career, but as I said, Der Henker was a pre-existing gimmick and we've seen different wrestlers don the mask gimmicks before.
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I don't think Crusher Verdu is Der Henker, fwiw. Der Henker was a gimmick that had been used by Goldstein. I have no idea who is under the mask, but he has a far better build than Verdu.
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The parts where they row out to the ring or where they swim back to poolside?
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I still think there isn't enough footage available to make any definitive conclusions about the influence that Wright had on German wrestling. If he had an immediate impact, you'd expect to see it in the CWA footage. It seems like a stretch to give him too much credit for whatever happened post-CWA. That said, I can't remember whether non-heavyweights were involved in the German tournaments prior to 1980.
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Maybe Bob hates swimming pool matches as well.
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None of these matches contradict what I said about Wright. I'm not sure whether you can claim that Wright "revolutionized" German wrestling without more footage from the 60s and 70s. The work in that Zrno match is nice, but it's Zrno. One of the greats. Can't expect that from a Koshinaka bout.
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It's self-evident.
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Swimming pool matches are the worst. There is no defense for them. Case closed.
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The problem is that Steve Wright never wrestled the way you describe. I can't think of any examples of Wright having a classic wrestling match in the CWA. At some point, his style evolved from the Wonder Kid style you see in World of Sport to the Bull Blitzer style that he used when he faced Marty in '86. Whether he's working heel or face, it's the Bull Blitzer stuff that you mostly see in these CWA matches with the occasional nod to his Wonder Kid past. Personally, I prefer his Bull Blitzer style work to the Wonder Kid stuff just like I prefer Terry Rudge to a stylist like Johnny Saint, but that's not really a preference for brawling over technical wrestling. I simply think Wright is better suited to being an asskicker than a stylist at that phase of his career. In the CWA, they had to work with whatever opponent they were booked against. I'm sure you'll agree that it was fairly random. Shiro Koshinka wasn't going to be doing European holds. Japanese matwork is fundamentally different from European matwork and II doubt they would have meshed well. They could have tried, but I doubt the results would have been noteworthy. Working heel is an easier option. A cheap option, perhaps, but you've seen the heat that Bull Power got. That heat is the end goal for most professional wrestlers. You can lament that it's not a technical wrestling match, or you can accept it for what it is and look for positives. Personally, I don't think you're going to find too many strong technical bouts from CWA -- certainly not that often and definitely not in full. The strength of the Koshinaka bout was a strong narrative and a great character performance from Wright, two things that were evident in the best World of Sport matches and are universal things not American things. It's the type of match that would have run in the Halls in England and would have garnered a positive reaction. TV being so sanitized often creates a false impression of what wrestling was really like in the Halls. I would take a great technical match over a brawl any day. I am not a particularly big fan of brawling. I would rather watch a lucha title match over an apuestas match, for example, but I like a good brawl when I see one. Backlund vs. Khan has potential on paper, but I believe it wasn't that well executed. I haven't gotten around to watching it yet. Again, not a match where you'd want to see them mat wrestle. Brawling was a huge part of Backlund's shtick, and he was pretty adept at it.
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A lot of dead weight in this match, but it was worth watching for the Altantis vs. Wagner exchanges. Talk about your great rivalries with no payoff. If I could rewrite lucha history, I'd book a Wagner vs. Atlantis mask match with Atlantis taking the Doctor's mask. It probably wouldn't rival Atlantis vs. Villano -- a match, which in my opinion, signals the end of classic lucha -- but I like their trios work far more than the Atlantis/Villano matches.