Johnny Sorrow

Do grown men really get "bullied"? And what exactly is an "office stooge" anyway? And what exactly did JBL ever do to be called that? Did he, like, run to Vince to tell on people who were doing naughty things?

Paul Jones was a great manager because he only managed mid card guys. All to feud with Jimmy Valiant. Jones' Army existed only to fuck with Valiant, or to occasionally feud with a member who left the Army, ala Superstar Billy Graham. He then managed the greatest tag team of all time, Rude and Fernandez, but by then he was just a guy in a fabulous suit, and not the focus.

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Not the point. He could have left, was made an offer, and stayed with Vince. Loyalty matters.

And don't get me wrong, Lanny Poffo was a fine wrestler. My point is that anyone could get hired by WCW for awhile there especially if they had ever worked for the WWF.

Yeah, I remember really looking forward to SD each week back then and a big reason was JBL's commentary. He and Cole were a great team. I also seem to recall Meltzer hating JBL's commentary because of all the obscure references he'd make ala comparing Londrick to Shaun and Steve Simpson. And that's the kind of stuff I personally love. Oh, and as far as if WCW would have wanted Bradshaw, this was the company that hired Jim Powers and Lanny Poffo.

I'm sorry, but that has me laughing my ass off.

I don't know anyone here who says wanker. Except for annoying dudes who are trying to use Brit terms to seem "different."

That's the truth. I know foul mouthed strippers who get offended by the "c word".

I think because at some point, it became fashionable to like Bradshaw. People on the IWC went crazy for his heel personna and all of a sudden Bradshaw was an Internet darling, which I never understood. And that comes from a guy who enjoyed Bradshaw in the ring since the mid 90's and thought he was rather underrated. But Bradshaw got a main event push for one reason only, he was a stooge to the office. The great matches with Eddie are Guerrero's masterpieces. Never got this late Bradshaw love, while it was obvious at this point that this guy : was a mediocre worker; never drew shit; ; bombed as a champ; was a big unprofessionnal bully. I thought you stopped watching in 1999. JBL was a blast. He was so great at his gimmick, he was a perfectly fine worker, was an awesome commentator. Seriously, you go back and listen to him on SD with Cole and you'll hear the funniest, and just best commentary in recent years. He was a modern day Jesse, as he didn't just cheer the heels and boo the faces. He totally put over London and Kendrick for example. He was their cheerleader WHILE not liking them being all "fan friendly". When he was bashing Miz and MVP, both guys were heels. And as MVP got better, he got behind him..originally because "MVP took him out for an expensive dinner" or some shit like that that was great. "got a push because he kissed the office's collective ass for years" is just another way of saying "worked his ass off for years doing whatever he was asked to do while creating relationships that resulted in being given a chance to be a headliner". Add in "loyal employee during the dark days of WCW kicking our ass". I see no problem with any of that in a shitty cut throat business like Pro Wrestling. Or pretty much any job. "never drew shit" That wasn't the point. JBL wasn't supposed to draw. The draw was supposed to be babyfaces trying and trying to beat this guy for the belt. And wasn't it Cena who finally did? Ushering in the next big thing?

Exactly. He's a top level bad guy who can lose a lot and never lose his heat, and has a protected finisher. As soon as they want him winning a lot, he will, and no one will question it. And hopefully he starts winning a lot based on pure cheating and possibly a valet or manager. Miz shouldn't be winning matches totally clean ever unless it's versus low card guys, like Trent Baretta. He should hang tough, get beat up, cheat, get beat up, cheat, get beat up, and have someone help him cheat, hit his finisher and win.

MOST OVERRATED 1. CRIMSON 2. Mason Ryan 3. Kevin Nash How can these three be over rated? Are there hordes of fans out there singing their praises?

I became a wrestling fan at 20. It was by watching Flair and Cornette, enjoying their rap, and enjoying them poking at the babyfaces. Why wouldn't I root for Corney and the MX against those idiots that R'n'R Express? Exactly what appeal would the R'n'R have for a 20 year old stoner into some garbage entertainment? Those guys played to the 11 year girls out there. John Heck, I remember thinking that Bob Backlund was a whiny crybaby and laughed my ass off when Albano and Muraco would make fun of him. And I was 14 at the time. Now, at the same time I would cheer for Snuka against Muraco because Snuka was cool. And when you were 20 John, I was a 16 year old stoner and felt the same way regarding Flair and Cornette. It just seems as if there's a lot of "super sensitive" folks out there who seem to want all their good guys to be, I don't know, Christ? Howdy Doody Backlund? The current worst was the "Poor Johnny Ace, that mean CM Punk is being a BULLY" meme over at DVDVR last week.

God I hope not. I hope it's just some limey use of "twat" as we know it. Just disrespectful as hell.

That's a great point. Abby DOES often end up not mentioned when people start up the whole "biggest black stars ever" talk, despite any arguments about drawing or all that. It's as if people forget he's black for some reason.

Wasn't that whole thing kinda debunked? Or at least it didn't go down quite like that? As far as I know, not really. Someone said, I don't remember who, that he wasn't surprised very much when that happened, that Joey was a tough little Italian while Bradshaw was just a big bully who would only mess with weak people and take advantage of guys inside the ring while they're giving him their bodies, but would never ever mess with tough guys. Yeah, as much as I found Style's political stuff repulsive, I admit punching Bradshaw made him love him for ever at least for one thing. Oh, the "Styles stood up for himself and got into it with Bradshaw" part is true. I'm just pretty sure the "Joey Styles kO'D Bradshaw w/ one punch" part is ...ahem...."exaggerated".

Shit, Nikita 91 is a pale shade of Nikita 85, as far as "Holy Shit, who can beat this man?" edit: Hey Butch, admit it. You fucking Great Britainers and attached Irish just make up new slang just to fuck with people at this point. "Buck lamps Slater in the chops" Lamps? "So Horner just twats Buck in the mouth and Buck falls out of the ring." "Horner connects with a sunset flip, only to get twatted in the face by Bunkhouse Buck with a mean hook. " I'm not complaining, as using twat in that way is awesome, and I'm stealing it.

I think Jesse got good on commentary by doing all those MSG, Boston Gardens, etc, shows with Gorilla that were at least three hours long and had a lot of shitty stuff that a guy could feel comfortable cutting his teeth on. The SNME Jesse with Vince was a LOT more "cartoony" than the Jesse who called monthly MSG shows with Gorilla. And Jesse should go down as an all time great for his losing it for real during the Uncle Elmer Wedding and then being the funniest guy ever.

Hart's book is thorough on everything, especially all the reasons he dislikes certain folks, and it's not in there. I just always got the impression that he thought every style that wasn't "Calgary or Japanese" wasn't good for whatever weird reasons and he just was honest about his brothers.

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I've never got the whole, "Aw, I feel sorry for that poor jobber who Beefcake gave a crappy haircut". It's some jobber, who cares about his hair? Is this a generational thing?

Wasn't that whole thing kinda debunked? Or at least it didn't go down quite like that?

Seriously, how does someone type that and not look at it and say, "What's wrong with me? When did I become Comic Book Guy?"

The whole deal with Gorilla always cracks me up. When I was a teen watching WWF we all liked Gorilla, AND made fun of him at the same time. All the shit that's been said about him being bad, we loved BECAUSE it was so predictable and bad. "They're LITERALLY hanging from the rafters, Jess.", "Shot to the the external occipital protuberance", "You can cut the electricity in here with a knife!", "I wouldn't buy a used car from that guy", "You gotta hook the leg, you'd think ________ would know better.", etc, etc. I always liked that he seemed to be fond of Ken Patera for some reason, always calling him "Kenny". Monsoon was great BECAUSE of all his dopey shit. No one was watching and thinking "Boy, he's making so and so look bad."