Grimmas

Tenta was better than Albright, also that is not what I was saying. Williams` resume was greatly padded by his opponents and most wrestlers would have more great matches in that environment than without it. Look at Johnny Ace.

Is Stan Hansen going to be draftable, we just would have to work around his Japan dates?

I meant I didn't see him on the roster list

Phil HIckerson?

Did we decide upon celebrities? Can I draft Wayne Gretzky for an angle?

Yeah I'd be pissed too if I was a Blackhawks fan.

List of saves, thus undraftable: KrisZ - Georgia Championship Wrestling - Buzz Sawyer Beast - Jim Crocket Promotions - Ric Flair Jesse Ewiak - World Class Championship Wrestling - Kerry Von Erich DylanWaco - Portland Wrestling - Buddy Rose dkookypunk43 - Mid South Wrestling - Ted Dibiase TravJ1979 - Memphis Wrestling - Jerry Lawler Flyin Brian - International Championship Wrestling - Randy Savage Cross Face Chicken Wing - American Wrestling Association - Hulk Hogan JHawk - World Wrestling Association - Bobo Brazil JerryvonKramer - World Wrestling Federation - Andre the Giant Grimmas - Maple Leaf Wrestling - Greg Valentine El Boricua - World Wrestling Council - Carlos Colon Boon - South Eastern - Bob Armstrong RocketCrypt - Championship Wrestling from Florida - Dusty Rhodes goc - South Western - Tully Blanchard dawho5 - Montreal - Raymond Rougeau dedhemingway - Central States - Harley Race peachchaos - Stampede - Bret Hart Wahoos Leg - All Star Wrestling - Honkytonk Man Undraftable Freelancers: Bruiser Brody Abdullah the Butcher Mil Mascaras The Sheik Minis Women Stan Hansen

Nobody has come out and said you can't so I put him as your save. I really don't see any good reason you shouldn't be able to. Go for it Parv.

Minis and women's are also freelancers and not draftable?

Hash this out now. El Boricua has a question about saves and owners. We have 5 hours to straighten this out.

The draft will start today (June 9) at 6 PM. Once a pick is made, the person on the clock has 10 hours to pick. Once the next person makes their pick (whether it is ten second or 9 hours) then the next person is on the clock for 10 hours. If you miss that range the person after you can pick and you can get yours in asap. You can pick any available talent (wrestlers and managers), except for the saved talent, previously draft talent and the few freelancers (see talent thread). If you select a tag team then you forfeit your next round pick (or next two picks if you select the Freebirds). Draft goes until all talent is picked or people drop out (Maybe a max roster of 32) Try to keep this thread clear of discussion and mostly used for picks. Cross Face Chicken Wing you can start at 6 pm. DRAFT ORDER: Round 1: Cross Face Chicken Wing: The Road Warriors (Hawk & Animal) goc: The Fabulous Ones (Stan Lane & Steve Keirn) RocketCrypt: Roddy Piper dedhemingway: Nick Bockwinkel Grimmas: Rick Martel JerryvonKramer: Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat Boon: "Wildfire" Tommy Rich El Boricua: Sgt. Slaughter KrisZ: "Hacksaw" Butch Reed JHawk: Larry Zbyszko Beast: Terry Gordy & Michael Hayes Dylan Waco: Barry Windham Wahoos Leg: Terry Allen (Magnum T.A.) TravJ1979: The Rock n Roll Express (Robert Gibson & Ricky Morton) Jesse Ewiak: Kevin Von Erich dkookypunk43: Junkyard Dog peachchaos: "Crusher" Jerry Blackwell Flyin' Brian: Ron Garvin dawho5: Jacques Rougeau Round 2: dawho5: The Midnight Express (Dennis Condrey & Randy Rose) Flyin' Brian: Jim Cornette peachchaos: Curt Hennig dkookpunk43: Dick Murdoch Jesse Ewiak: Tito Santana TravJ1979: forfeited pick Wahoos Leg: Chris Adams Dylan Waco: Bill Dundee Beast: forfeited pick JHawk: Dory Funk Jr. KrisZ: "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff El Boricua: Pedro Morales Boon: "Dirty" Dutch Mantell JerryvonKramer: Bobby "The Brain" Heenan Grimmas: "The Russian Bear" Ivan Koloff dedhemingway: Bob Orton Jr. RocketCrypt: Kevin Sullivan goc: forfeit pick Cross Face Chicken Wing: forfeited pick Round 3: JHawk: Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka JerryvonKramer: Bob Backlund Dylan Waco: Eric Embry Wahoos Leg: Jimmy Hart KrisZ: Jake "the Snake" Roberts Flyin' Brian: Arn Anderson RocketCrypt: Dynamite Kid peachchaos: Davey Boy Smith Jesse Ewiak: Kamala dkookypunk43: Magnificent Muraco Cross Face Chicken Wing: Ken Patera goc: Hacksaw Jim Duggan dedhemingway: Gary Hart Grimmas: Wahoo McDaniel El Boricua: Dick Slater Beast: "Dr. D" David Shultz TravJ1979: Buddy Landell dawho5: forfeited pick Boon: Bobby Eaton Round 4: Boon: Robert Fuller & Jimmy Golden dawho5: King Tonga TravJ1979: Austin Idol Beast: Iron Sheik El Boricua: Jay Youngblood Grimmas: Jesse Ventura dedhemingway: David Von Erich goc: King Kong Bundy Cross Face Chicken Wing: One Man Gang dkookypunk43: The Fantastic Ones (Bobby Fulton and Terry Taylor) Jesse Ewiak: Skandor Akbar peachchaos: Matt Borne RocketCrypt: Manny Fernandez Flyin' Brian: Jimmy Valiant KrisZ: Adrian Adonis Wahoos Leg: The Moondogs (Rex and Spot) Dylan Waco: Pat Patterson JerryvonKramer: Jack Brisco JHawk: Masked Superstar Round 5: goc: Mr. Saito El Boricua: Bob Sweetan TravJ1979: Dream Machine (Troy Graham) RocketCrypt: Ron Bass Wahoos Leg: forfeited pick dkookypunk43: forfeited pick KrisZ: Stagger Lee aka Sweet Brown Sugar aka Koko Ware Flyin' Brian: Adrian Street Beast: Tommy Rogers dedhemingway: Tony Atlas & Rocky Johnson (Rocky Johnson was traded for Grimmas' 5th, 9th and 10th round pick) Dylan Waco: Ray Stevens JerryvonKramer: Superstar Billy Grahan Cross Face Chicken Wing: Jimmy Garvin JHawk: Chavo Guerrero Boon: forfeited pick Jesse Ewiak: Bad News Allen dedhemingway (via Grimmas): Don Kernodle peachchaos: Jim Neidhart dawho5: Tonga John Round 6: dawho5: Jim Brunzell Cross Face Chicken Wing (via Peachchaos): Mr. Olympia (Jerry Stubbs) Grimmas: KIller Khan Jesse Ewiak: BIg John Studd Boon: The Flame (Jody Hamilton) JHawk: Blackjack Mulligan Cross Face Chicken Wing: Iceman King Parsons JerryvonKramer: Billy Robinson Dylan Waco: Mando Guerrero dedhemingway: forfeited pick Beast: Hector Guerrero Flyin' Brian: Pez Whatley KrisZ: Super Destroyer dkookypunk43: Mr. Wrestling II Wahoos Leg: "Dr. Death" Steve Williams RocketCrypt: Rip Rogers TravJ1979: Ernie Ladd El Boricua: Kendo Nagasaki goc: Eddie Gilbert Round 7: JerryvonKramer: Ole Anderson KrisZ: Brad Armstrong Cross Face Chicken Wing: Ed Wiskowski dawho5: Phil LaFon dkookypunk43: The Wild Samoans (Afa & Sika) goc: Tom Prichard El Boricua: Los Medicos (Jose Estrada & Johnny Rodz) Wahoos Leg: Luke Williams Dylan Waco: Ron Starr Boon: Mike Rotundo (traded to JHawk) Beast: Mad Dog Vachon TravJ1979: Rick Rood peachchaos: The Cobra Boon (via JHawk): Tim Horner Jesse Ewiak: The Great Kabuki RocketCrypt: Brian Blair Grimmas: Leo Burke Flyin' Brian: Lanny Poffo dedhemingway: Hercules Hernandez Round 8: dedhemingway: Dewey Robertson Flyin' Brian: The Grappler (Len Denton) Grimmas: Tony Garea RocketCrypt: Bob Roop Jesse Ewiak: Al Perez JHawk: J.J. Dillon peachchaos: Dino Bravo TravJ1979: Tony Anthony Beast: Buddy Roberts Boon: Dirty Rhodes Dylan Waco: Jos LeDuc Wahoos Leg: Bruce Hart El Boricua: forfeited pick goc: Don Bass dkookypunk43: forfeited pick dawho5: Captain Lou Albano Cross Face Chicken Wing: Billy Jack KrisZ: Bobby Jaggers JerryvonKramer: Jerry Brisco Round 9: Cross Face Chicken Wing: Wild Bill Irwin Boon: The Stray Cat (Danny Davis) dawho5: Armand Rougeau Wahoos Leg: Skip Young Dylan Waco: Chris Colt dedhemingway (via Grimmas): Ivan Putski El Boricua: Hercules Ayala JerryvonKramer: Lars Anderson Beast: Scott Casey TravJ1979: Pat Rose dkookypunk43: Masa Fuchi Jesse Ewiak: Bugsy McGraw Flyin' Brian: Mike Graham RocketCrypt: Ricky Harris (Black Bart) JHawk: Brickhouse Brown KrisZ: Greg Gagne peachchaos: Rip Oliver goc: Ken Lucas dedhemingway: The Zambuie Express (Elijah Akeem and Kareem Muhammad) Round 10: dedhemingway: forfeited pick goc: El Gran Apollo peachchaos: Mongolian Stomper KrisZ: Les Thornton JHawk: Dick the Bruiser RocketCrypt: Mark Youngblood Flyin' Brian: David Sammartino Jesse Ewiak: Killer Brooks dkookypunk43: Baron Von Raschke TravJ1979: Jesse Barr Beast: Man Mountain Darsow JerryvonKramer: Blackjack Lanza El Boricua: Frenchy Martin dedhemingway (via Grimmas): Brian Adias Dylan Waco: Brett Wayne Sawyer Grimmas (via Wahoos Leg): Stephen Pettipas dawho5: Pierre LeFebvre Boon: The Galaxian (Ken Wayne) Cross Face Chicken Wing: Da Crusher Round 11: dkookypunk43: The Grand Wizard dawho5: Gino Brito & Tony Parisi Boon: Johnny Rich JHawk: Bobby Colt Dylan Waco: Bobby Bass Cross Face Chicken Wing: Sheik Adnan Kaissey RocketCrypt: Mark Lewin Jesse Ewiak: Norvell Austin Flyin' Brian: The Assassin (Fidel Sierra) TravJ1979: Porkchop Cash Grimmas (via Cross Face Chicken Wing via peachchaos): Cuban Assassin Beast: Nikolai Volkoff KrisZ: Scott McGhee Grimmas: Chicky Starr El Boricua: Hugo Savinovich Wahoos Leg: Ox Baker JerryvonKramer: George Steele goc: Mike Davis dedhemingway: 'Bulldog' Bob Brown Round 12: dedhemingway: Buzz Tyler goc: Mike Jackson JerryvonKramer: Mr. Fuji Wahoos Leg: Sonny King El Boricua: Rick McGraw Grimmas: Ben Bassarab KrisZ: Chick Donovan Beast: Brad Rheingans peachchaos: Gama Singh TravJ1979: King Cobra Flyin' Brian: Gene Anderson Jesse Ewiak: Ken Timbs RocketCrypt: Freddie Blassie Cross Face Chicken Wing: Buck Robley Dylan Waco: Gerry Morrow JHawk: Jerry Valiant Boon: Ricky Gibson dawho5: forfeited pick dkookypunk43: Tojo Yamamoto Round 13: JHawk: Sheik Abdullah peachchaos: Hiro Saito & Shunji Takano dedhemingway: Armand Hussein El Boricua: Invaders (1 & 3) dkookypunk43: Tiger Chung Lee goc: Sunshine KrisZ: Angelo Mosca Sr. dawho5: Rene Goulet (Sgt. Jacques Goulet) TravJ1979: Sir Oliver Humperdink Beast: Tonga Kid RocketCrypt: Mike Shaw Flyin' Brian: Eddie Hogan Dylan Waco: El Santo Negro (Billy Two Eagles) Jesse Ewiak: Siva Afi Cross Face Chicken Wing: Boris Zuhkov Wahoos Leg: Paul Ellering Boon: Ted Allen Grimmas: Joel Deaton JerryvonKramer: SD Jones Round 14: JerryvonKramer: Dominic DeNucci Grimmas: Tiger Conway Jr. Boon: Art Crews Wahoos Leg: Keith Hart Cross Face Chicken Wing: Samu Dylan Waco: Rufus R. Jones Flyin' Brian: Brett Hart (Barry Horowitz) RocketCrypt: Iron Mike Sharpe Beast: Buddy Rogers Jesse Ewiak: The Mongol TravJ1979: Tommy Gilbert dawho5: Gilles Poisson KrisZ: Jerry & Ted Oates goc: Jose Lothario dkookypunk43: Chief Jay Strongbow El Boricua: forfeited pick dedhemingway: Jerry Brown peachchaos: forfeited pick JHawk: Salvatore Bellomo Round 15: RocketCrypt: Johnny Weaver peachchaos: Mr. Hito Grimmas: Alexis Smirnoff El Boricua: Barrabas Beast: Butcher Vachon dedhemingway: Keith Larsen KrisZ: forfeited pick goc: Lord Alfred Hayes Cross Face Chicken Wing: Toru Tanaka dawho5: Steve Regal Boon: Ron Fuller JHawk: Kelly Kiniski Dylan Waco: Jerry Grey JerryvonKramer: Baron Mikel Scicluna Flyin' Brian: The Samoans (Tapu & Tio) Jesse Ewiak: Frank Dusek TravJ1979: Duke Myers Wahoos Leg: Timothy Flowers dkookypunk43: Steve O Round 16: dkookypunk43: Sweet Daddy Siki Wahoos Leg: Mr. Ebony TravJ1979: Magic Dragon Jesse Ewiak: Bobby Duncum Flyin' Brian: forfeited pick JerryvonKramer: Victor Rivera Dylan Waco: Rick Valentine JHawk: Ken Jugan (Zoltan the Great) Boon: Bill Ash dawho5: Eddie Creatchman Cross Face Chicken Wing: Javier Cruz goc: Steve Pardee KrisZ: Johnny Mantell dedhemingway: Roger Kirby Beast: Joe Lightfoot El Boricua: Ninja Warrior (Mr. Pogo) Grimmas: Rick Patterson peachchaos: Gene Kiniski RocketCrypt: Mark Fleming Round 17: Beast: Chris Markoff dedhemingway: George Wells Cross Face Chicken Wing: Jeff Van Camp Jesse Ewiak: Mike Miller dawho5: Tony Ricco RocketCrypt: Terry Gibbs Boon: Paul Jones TravJ1979: Cocoa Samoa goc: Roy Lee Welch Grimmas: Bob & Joe Marcus Dylan Waco: Denny Brown dkookypunk43: El Bracero El Boricua: Angelo Rivera peachchaos: Jerry & David Novak Flyin' Brian: Stan Stasiak KrisZ: Roberto Soto JHawk: Jerry Ho (Jerry Oske) JerryvonKramer: Dean Ho Wahoos Leg: Carl Fergie Round 18: Wahoos Leg: Al Madril JerryvonKramer: The Destroyer JHawk: Black Gordman & Goliath KrisZ: George Weingroff Flyin' Brian: Mark Batten peachchaos: forfeited pick El Boricua: Gypsy Joe dkookypunk43: Pete Sanchez DylanWaco: Goldie Rogers Grimmas: forfeited pick goc: Charlie Cook TravJ1979: Stan Frazier Boon: Larry Hamilton RocketCrypt: Frank Williams dawho5: Louis Laurence Jesse Ewiak: Ciclon Negro Cross Face Chicken Wing: Buck Zumhofe dedhemingway: Ron Ritchie Beast: Bob Bradley Round 19: goc: Eddy Mansfield Boon: Tony Falk TravJ1979: Mike Boyette Grimmas: Paul Christy Cross Face Chicken Wing: Moose Cholak KrisZ: Mike George dawho5: Alex & Tim Gerrard dedhemingway: Israel Matia Jesse Ewiak: Kortsia Korchenko Beast: Tony Zane El Boricua: Joe Savoldi Dylan Waco: Moondog Moretti RocketCrypt: Buck Ramstead JHawk: forfeited pick dkookypunk43: Paul Peller Flyin' Brian: Johnny Wilhoit peachchaos: Sonny Two Rivers Wahoos Leg: Jonathan Boyd JerryvonKramer: Pete Doherty Round 20: JerryvonKramer: Steve King Wahoo's Leg: Al Tomko peachchaos: Mike Hammer Flyin' Brian: Angelo Poffo dkookypunk43: Mike Reed JHawk: Spike Huber RocketCrypt: Ron Sexton DylanWaco: Don Kent El Boricua: Abdullah Tamba Beast: Doug Vines JesseEwiak: Gran Markus #2 dedhemingway: JR Hogg KrisZ: Rick McCord Cross Face Chicken Wing: Jeff Sword Grimmas: Don Carson TravJ1979: Goro Tsurumi Boon: Vic Rossitani goc: Terry Adonis Round 21: Cross Face Chicken Wing: Vinnie Valentino dedhemingway: Bubba Douglas Dylan Waco: Bruiser Costa RocketCrypt: John Bonello Jesse Ewiak: Rock Riddle El Boricua: Victor Jovica Wahoos Leg: Verne Siebert Beast: Rudy Diamond KrisZ: Gentleman Jim Holliday JerryvonKramer: Jose Luis Rivera Boon: Norman Frederick Charles III dawho5: Bobby & Rudy Kay peachchaos: Hubert Gallant Grimmas: Killer Karl Krupp goc: Rocky Brewer Flyin' Brian: Miss Linda dkookypunk43: Mad Dog Boyd TravJ1979: Big Red Reese JHawk: Billy Anderson Round 22 JHawk: Jules Strongbow TravJ1979: Ken Raper dkookypunk43: Raul Castro Flyin' Brian: Bill Howard goc: T.G. Stone Grimmas: Gary Royal peachchaos: The Angel dawho5: forfeited pick JerryvonKramer: Swede Hanson Boon: Rocky Jones KrisZ: Jerry Bryant Beast: Ben Alexander Wahoos Leg: Mike Allen El Boricua: Jose Miguel Perez Jesse Ewiak: Rocket Crypt: Cy Jernigan Dylan Waco: Burrhead Jones dedhemingway: Jimmy Doo Cross Face Chicken Wing: Tom Stanton Round 23: dawho5: Dan Johnson JerryvonKramer: Tony Colon dedhemingway: Robert Reed Cross Face Chicken Wing: Great Malumba Wahoos Leg: Grizzly Evans Boon: Moose Morowski Flyin' Brian: Loch Ness Monster Jesse Ewiak Grimmas: Nick DeCarlo TravJ1979: Sweet Daddy O JHawk: Frankie Laine RocketCrypt: Steve Sybert Dylan Waco KrisZ: Tommy Wright Beast goc El Boricua dkookypunk43 peachchaos Round 24: Snake Round 25: Jesse Ewiak TravJ1979 Flyin' Brian Boon peachchaos goc Dylan Waco JHawk KrisZ Wahoos Leg El Boricua Grimmas Beast Cross Face Chicken Wing dawho5 dedhemingway JerryvonKramer RocketCrypt dkookypunk43 Round 26: Snake Round 27: JHawk TravJ1979 dawho5 Boon dkookypunk43 peachchaos Grimmas Dylan Waco El Boricua Jesse Ewiak KrisZ RocketCrypt Flyin' Brian JerryvonKramer Wahoos Leg Cross Face Chicken Wing Beast dedhemingway goc Round 28: Snake Round 29: Cross Face Chicken Wing KrisZ TravJ1979 Grimmas peachchaos Beast Jesse Ewiak JerryvonKramer goc Dylan Waco dedhemingway dkookypunk43 dawho5 RocketCrypt JHawk El Boricua Flyin' Brian Wahoos Leg Boon Round 30: Snake Round 31: Dylan Waco El Boricua Beast Cross Face Chicken Wing goc dedhemingway JerryvonKramer RocketCrypt Wahoos Leg Grimmas Boon dkookypunk43 dawho5 JHawk peachchaos KrisZ TravJ1979 Jesse Ewiak Flyin' Brian Round 32 Snake

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Dalton Castle is the future of wrestling or at least should be.

Would starting the draft tonight be too early? Remember there is no need to finish it all right away, as after the pick the next person has a max of ten hours to get there pick in. When the next person picks, then the next person is on the clock. So, if we start tonight there is a chance the first pick won't be done for ten hours. Cool?

I will send out a mass message after I am done laundry, laying things out.

That's amazing! I love it.

Does this mean we shouldn't be allowed to draft Animal without Hawk, or that if we draft Animal, someone will most likely take Hawk before we have a chance to draft him later? I think the latter.

Yeah, we should probably have a list of owners out there and who is in draft and who is not. Kris?

Link at Place to be Nation http://placetobenation.com/p2bn-reaction-show-njpw-best-of-the-super-juniors-finals/

Updating rules, let me know if I missed anything.

Fair points. You won me over.

I say teams together, because there are so few and its kind of like cheating taking Morton early, because Gibson will be a low pick and you can take him way later.

Is there anything else left to decide? Was the Stampede save done? Once those are done, I will send out a mass message and we can start.

I see this point, but I'd rather be able to split up teams for drafting if necessary. I didn't think Grimmas got an answer regarding Steamboat, and if he wants to change his pick to that I think it's fine. I'm sticking with the Hammer. I am banking on my prefered top babyface to be available when I draft.

I say, randomize odd and snake the evens off of it.