Grimmas

I say that's up to the individual person on how they want to do it. If they have the person on their roster that has that title and want to keep them as champion, then so be it. If they want them vacated or want different titles then so be it.

To bring it back to the real topic: If you make a real plan to treat women in the WWE, the way they are treated in NXT, would a division built around Sasha, Charlotte, Paige, Emma, Bayley and Becky, be good enough? Would that be worth trying?

No you are sexist, because you think they are jailbait, retarded and all of them (except Sasha) are worse than the Miz. See now you are veering into sexist talk. I would put Sasha on the level of all, if not the majority of WWE midcarders. Charlotte has as much potential as any WWE midcarder, probably more. Bayley has the potential to be more over than anyone in the WWE midcard. Becky, we will see. Yes, we would all love the WWE to care about things that aren't in the main event. However, saying the divas are lesser wrestlers sometimes borders on sexist behaviour. Is he necessarily though? Is saying that women wrestlers currently – as a collective group – are less ready to fill important roles on WWE television automatically a (sexist) indictment of their talent or merely a comment on the current landscape? Now and again when discussing baseball with my mom, she’ll say she doesn’t understand why women are not and/or could not play in the major leagues. She doesn’t understand why they can’t find some talented girls and groom them. My response is that women certainly could in the sense that there is not this talent or skill gulf between women and men that would make that impossible. Realistically, however, it is a long way off from happening. Boys are playing tee ball by the time they are five, little league at eight, competitive high school programs, and sometimes college baseball. A young girl is far more likely to be funneled into softball not long after little league age and almost always by high school. Of all the males that play baseball seriously through high school, only a fraction reach the major leagues and even fewer are what we would define as successful players. There are very, very few women lucky enough to even play baseball in high school. The structure/learning system is completely unbalanced and until that is fixed – which would take several generations to bear fruit under the most optimistic scenario – its very, very unlikely a a female baseball player would be able to reach the majors (even if through no fault of her own). Wrestling is obviously a bit different but the same ideas still apply. The pool of women pro wrestlers is larger than amateur female baseball players but still a fraction of the pool of male pro wrestlers. A women wrestler on the indies is going to have far fewer quality opponents to work against and learn from than her male counterparts. Out of the X-amount of male pro wrestlers, how many actually become legitimately great? There are far fewer women wrestlers which means the odds are even slimmer that several all become legitimately great at one time. I am not sure all of the high quality NXT-type programs in the world are going to change that until there is simply a high volume of women becoming wrestling fans, become wrestlers and getting the opportunities to work with quality opponents in different environments. Women can certainly main event and be top quality wrestlers from pure talent/skill standpoints. I think it might be a bit idealistic to expect that to happen overnight and to say that the pool of quality female wrestlers is significantly smaller than male wrestlers at this point in time isn’t sexist. It’s probably just the reality. Nobody is saying that SummerSlam should be headlined by women. The pool of women is smaller, nobody is arguing that. All that anybody is trying to say is that there is women out there right now who can be developed into draws and should, probably, be given that chance. Nothing you said, Stomper, I have any issue with.

Being aimed at children, does not mean you are jailbait. Being aimed for children does not mean you are retarded. AJ was aimed at perverts? I'm a pervert, because I think the talented women on the roster should get a chance to be showcased?

See now you are veering into sexist talk. I would put Sasha on the level of all, if not the majority of WWE midcarders. Charlotte has as much potential as any WWE midcarder, probably more. Bayley has the potential to be more over than anyone in the WWE midcard. Becky, we will see. Yes, we would all love the WWE to care about things that aren't in the main event. However, saying the divas are lesser wrestlers sometimes borders on sexist behaviour. Depends on if we're now treating #givedivasachance as a shoot or simply a marketing tag. They can be utilized 1000% better than they currently are on Raw/Smackdown/PPVs. There is nothing to suggest they can draw and grow the business in a meaningful way. In UFC women draw. In NXT women draw. Those are the only two promotions that have treated men and women with equal respect. Does that mean it would work in the WWE, obviously not. Does that mean we dismiss the idea, obviously not. If you believe no other diva on the rest is in the same league as The Miz, than I don't know what to tell you. Also, way to hammer home the point that you don't feel women are at men's level but throwing around terms like jailbait and retardation to describe a character. There is nothing mentally challenged or jailbaitesue about Bayley's character. To propose such an idea, shows how little you think of women.

We could do a weekly results post, like the PWI used to do in one thread?

At work now, but I bet I could find 25 nominees who I think are clearly worse. I forgot about Davey Richards and some others that are nominated. 25 might be a stretch, but there is an amount for sure.

Worst candidate yet? He is highly charismatic and can be real fun to watch. My favourite match would be against Sabu at House Party '98, but I'd only go 4 stars on that.

See now you are veering into sexist talk. I would put Sasha on the level of all, if not the majority of WWE midcarders. Charlotte has as much potential as any WWE midcarder, probably more. Bayley has the potential to be more over than anyone in the WWE midcard. Becky, we will see. Yes, we would all love the WWE to care about things that aren't in the main event. However, saying the divas are lesser wrestlers sometimes borders on sexist behaviour.

Wrong thread. This is for Joe Malenko, not Dory Funk Jr.

Is this going to be like risk where I try to convince everybody to do my evil bidding and then double cross everybody?

So, we could have up to 18 people join in! We will have a sign up thread later after a little more on rule discussion. 1-2 are fine. 3. I'm iffy on freelancers being set up like the World Champ and touring. I'd prefer that they just have shorter contracts and they get drafted more often. 4. World champ voting, yes. For tag teams? Did they actually tour much? 5. Seems good. I like rebalance draft.. maybe less often. I like drafting of free agents. Although we have to be open to new people coming in, so expansion drafts will be thrown in. 6. Something along those lines would work out.

Some reviews for them? Is there enough talk from the 2000's threads?

Need some reviews for Paul Jones, Homicide and Debbie Malenko.

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Just as an idea, 1 tv show a week and at least one major show? The original draft and then every six months or so, a new draft where everyone not picked is involved plus maybe some of your own talent? Trades between people can happen whenever. I've never looked at anything like this before, so these are just ideas.

I like the idea that AWA can have their champ go to Memphis. NWA shares their champ and WWF and Mid-South are separate.However, whats stopping others from forming a new alliance. What if the WWF and Mid South wanted to start sharing the WWF champion? If the two guys in control would be into it, why not? I think once we hammer out the main rules and know how many people are into this we will know answers to these questions.