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Just got home from the TV tapings and it was a freaking great show! Looking back at the listed matches the Bullet Club vs Chaos was an insane match. Not as great as the ten man, but above 4 stars. Crazy, crazy spots. Before the match the crowd cheered for each guy individually and they all got their moments to pose. This includes Red Shoes which was a great tribute to him. Nakamura vs Strong was the match of the night. 4 1/4 or higher. Strong took a lot of the match and got a blood lip. Tanahashi & Naito vs ACH & Sydal was another great match and would had been the second best match on night 1. ACH & Sydal have great chemistry and Naito & Tanahashi did an awesome job playing off their regular spots. Another 4 star contest. Dalton Castle vs Liger was freaking great and I hope Dalton becomes a star going forward. I love his whole gimmick and he has amazing character work in ring. The other really good match was Will Ferreria vs Kushida. Kushida is so over in Toronto its nuts. The rest of the matches were building to angles and stuff. Including one where BJ Whitmer is stepping out of matches and putting Colby Corino in them for him and he gets killed. Moose had one of the best squash matches I have ever seen against Colby and War Machine killed him too. This is leading to some future match with Corino and Whitmer that the booking is getting me interested in. The other major thing was Cedric Alexander using a wrench to pin Moose. Next ppv is Lethal vs Briscoe (Title vs Title) Strong vs Elgin vs Moose (#1 Contenders) HIROSHI TANAHASHI & TETSUYA NAITO vs. ACH & MATT SYDAL JUSHIN THUNDER LIGER vs. DALTON CASTLE THE KINGDOM vs. DOC GALLOWS & KARL ANDERSON MICHAEL ELGIN vs. GEDO KUSHIDA vs. WILL FERRARA

There were cards with all the info that said coupon on them (haven't looked enough to see if there is a deal there) on every seat at the show last night.

I haven't watched that match since '97 and I remember disappointment at the time. How is it?

Point is as NWA champ, Bret would need to be that heel. Not 50-50, but 80-20 or lower ratio for offense. That is if he works like Race or Flair. Can you think of any times when Bret allowed his opponents 80% offense? If Bret is NWA Champ it'd be a change of booking philosophy back to Dory Jr. days. Watch Bret vs 1-2-3 Kid from Raw to see what a touring Bret champion would look like. I think that would be an amazing formula to build upon. Go to each town, make the local hero look great but lose in the end.

It's not that you botch, it's how you do it. I was actually really happy last night at the ROH show where when someone slipped there was no "you fucked up" chants. I think that kind of watching of wrestling (looking for errors, expecting a flawless presentation) is a harmful way to watch wrestling.

https://soundcloud.com/jerryvonkramer/roh-global-wars-2015-reaction-show An exhausted Steven Graham (Pro-Wrestling Super Show), who was there live, is joined by Pete (Titans of Wrestling) to break down the ROH Global Wars 2015 iPPV. How did ROH utilize the NJPW talent? What was up with the Toronto crowd? How great was the ten-man tag main event? All of these questions answered and more! P2BN link to follow.

I see this get liked a lot on facebook and I see it all over youtube with massive views. What is the appeal and what am I missing? I watched one once and half way through I didn't even notice any "botches" or they were well worked around by the wrestlers. I've been confused by this thing for a while and would love some answers.

Sounds like I should rewatch Okada-Cedric to be fair.

That's good to hear. What was it that you liked better the second watch?

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Dylan said it perfectly. Welcome aboard!

This is where I am at. Any match suggestions?

Loving the show, as always. Kelly mentioned that Brady Boone was some jobber. He was, but he was also Billy Jack Haynes cousin. There was a memorable angle involving him where Demolition beat Boone and another jobber and completely destroyed Boone post match. Hayes, and his partner Ken Patera, come out to protect Boone. Then Patera/Hayes feud with Demolition for a little bit. There is even a match where Patera is hurt or something and Boone takes his place. It's a really fun little feud and the first real thing they did with Demolition.

Community is on yahoo. Hulu has Lucha Libre USA, so why can't another get on there? First, why does wrestling have to be trashy? Second, why do you need to be on TV to get on Netflix first? Is there no possible deal that could be made with Netflix for wrestling? It's a long shot, but worth a shot. By the way I am sure people said there was no way wrestling would ever be on MTV or NBC or TNT, etc... as well. Yeah because a medicore syndication deal making more money with nobody watching would be as valuable as a show that would make you less money but way more viewers. It's not like you couldn't sell advertising yourself, as well. If you could get featured on youtube through some kind of deal, get the system behind you the amount of viewers you could bring in would trump any TV deal they could make. Remember wrestling companies used to pay to get on TV in order to get people to watch them, so they would pay for tickets. That is a model that could work today, especially if the TV shows aren't specific TV tapings but more the old ECW model of running actual shows and making TV out of them. They could still sell vod of the shows, sell tickets so there is potential out there. Also, youtube is what kids watch, it's not so much tv anymore. The viewers are growing and growing each year, while more and more people are trading in their cable boxes. What does that have to do with anything. They still wouldn't have stars whether on TV or internet. You can only do that on some weird tv channel nobody has ever heard of, or could you do it on the internet too?

Except for the shows that get by well on Netflix, Hulu or Yahoo. Except for all the shows that do well on youtube. I don't think the creators of Daredevil would had made as much money on TV, do you?

That started in 2009 when I ditched cable and haven't looked back since. TV is in the same state music was in the 2000s trying to fight online. They failed an TV will fail.

Following the cowboys thread, let's look at the folks who came around after the territories and WCW/ECW died. I may be forgetting some, but here is the list from nominees I put together: AJ Styles Akira Tozawa The Amazing Red Austin Aries Batista Brock Lesnar Bully Ray Cesaro Chris Hero Chris Masters Christopher Daniels CM Punk Daniel Bryan Hiroshi Tanahashi James Storm Jay Briscoe John Cena Katzuhori Shibata Kazuchika Okada KENTA Kevin Steen Kota Ibushi Kurt Angle Kyle Matthews Kyle O'Reilly Lo Ki Mark Briscoe Mascarita Dorada/El Torito Matt Sydal Michael Elgin Necro Butcher Prince Devitt Randy Orton Ricochet Sami Callihan Sami Zayn Samoa Joe Seth Rollins Sheamus Shinsuke Nakamura Timothy Thatcher Tomohiro Ishii This is the section that will be the hardest to vote on, since a lot of them are still active. Guys who are easily getting votes for me are CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, John Cena & Brock Lesnar. Guys who may sneak on are AJ Styles, Cesaro, Mascarita Dorada, Sami Zayn, Samoa Joe & Nakamura. The rest will need some heavy lobbying from people to convince me. As for ranking them: 1) Bryan 2) Punk 3) Cena 4) Lesnar 5) Dorada 6) Nakamura 7) Styles 8) Cesaro 9) Zayn 10) Joe There is still a year to change this though. Overall, this seems like an interesting area. I know some people will rely heavily upon it and others will ignore it. What do you think?