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http://placetobenation.com/pro-wrestling-super-show-variations-on-the-horsemen/ Host: Steven Graham Guests: Tim Livingston, Charles (Wrestling with the Past) & Will (Good Will Wrestling) On this week’s episode we explore the variations on the Horsemen. Including giving our own dream Horsemen, Horsewomen, Texan Horsemen, current-day Horsemen and even choose your own adventure Horsemen. Enjoy this discussion on the Horsemen!

I hope the point Parv was trying to make is that people on this site are more willing to watch the footage then to either go by memory or from what considered norms. The amount of times I see that Luger stinks or Michaels is easy number one of all-time on other sites is quite sad. Watch the footage, those things are not true.

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That's the thing about this place, you can have any opinion you want, just back it up. If you think Kane is great, that is fine, just explain why and make a case. People attack this board, because they have an opinion that is unpopular here and get mad when others don't have that opinion. Often times they don't try to back it up or see another side, they are just mad that people don't agree with Meltzer.

My list with maybe Bret sneaking into the top 10 and Negro Casas, Satanico, El HIjo del Santo as potentials.

If you define rookie as a newcomer in a regular promotion, than he is a rookie. I am all for voting the way it's listed, as opposed to intended. Maybe it will make him change the rules in the future.

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As a Mod I just want to point out that if you are warned numerous times to stop doing one thing and you continue to do it over and over again, then you run the risk of being banned. How many warnings do you think are fair, because whatever number you come up with, Rovert had more warnings than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRVj-4I58N8 Parkita & Mini Cibernequito vs Mini Mankind & Mini Goldust (AAA 1997) I love La Parka, so I was really curious to see La Parkita. Man, what I would give to see a La Parka & Cibernetico vs Goldust & Mankind match, but alas, this will have to do. THERE IS A MINI PAUL BEARER!!!!!!! Classic 3 falls version here. 1st Fall: Mini Goldust is pretty great with cheap shots here and awesome taunting posing to Ciber and strutting to Parkita. He even does a Rick Rude sell of an atomic drop. Parkita hits a huge tope on Mankind leaving Ciber and Goldust alone with Ciber countering a backdrop into a hurrancanrana for the pin. For the first fall. Some fun stuff, but sloppy. 2nd Fall: Vicious dropkick by Goldust. Then he completely misses a springboard corner dropkick which gets sold by CIber... Ciber is also a huge dick, as Goldust has Parkita in a camel clutch and Ciber comes in and cheers a lot before making the save. Parkita returns the favour when Mankind has Ciber in a hold. I feel these partners are turning on each other. Holy Shit! Ciber tries a sommersault plancha, his legs get hooked on the ropes and he falls upside on his head on the concrete. Ouch. I rewound that 3 times.Goldust got his knees up a little for help. Parkita has Goldust down, Paul Bearer makes the save with brass knuckles and then sprints to the back as Mankind and Goldust are DQ'd. Parkita is out cold. A fun but sloppy affair. Such a weird contest to see, I would give this a recommendation. I just looked it up on lucha wiki and Mini Goldust is Mini Abismo Negro and Mini Karis La Momia, so I have a new person to look out for. Dinastia & Mascarita Sagrada vs Mini Abismo Negro & Mini Histeria (AAA 2014.10.10) I thought would give Mini Goldust a second look, so here we go. Histeria & Abismo come out in matching outfits like a true tag team to cool music and we have a six-sided ring. Dinastia comes out to Red Hot Chilli Peppers and Sagrada comes out to Undertaker dance music. Wow, I'm psyched now!! Goldust has filled out a little in the last 8 years, so he should be more bad ass now. Dinastia and Goldust have a fun mat sequence to start and then Sagrada and Histeria tag in and its a fun sprint all of the sudden. Straight to tag team bad assery by Histeria & Goldust. They even swing Sagrada around by his mask and toss him. They pull of a top rope leg drop version of the Demolition move! They double team one guy, throw him out, other comes in and they double team him. This is lots of fun so far. However, a miscue leads to a technico comeback and Dinastia unloads with some awesome strikes and they go back to the mat. Another few miscues and then Dinastia does the Ultimo Dragon kicks and Histeria cuts him off and then dances!!! Goldust with a big DDT on Sagrada and a huge slap, but Sagrada stealds Dorada's submission and everyone is back in. Dinastia is quite the impressive high flyer. Huge belly to belly from top rope by Goldust, but the count is broken up. Sagrada with a flying headscissors from top rope to floor which leaves Histeria and Dinastia alone. Dinastia connects with a (450?) splash for two and then misses a plash and goes to the floor. Sagrada with a hurrancanrana for the win. OK, this is my new favourite match ever! OK, maybe not but the fun level on this one was way up. Awesome dives, great heel tag team antics, amazing taunts and everyone looked great. This was kind of like Dick Togo & Shiryu vs Gran Hamada & Great Sasuke if you need a comparison. Check this one out. Easily *** 1/2 if not more.

Little Coco & Karate Kid vs Little Tokyo & Killer Cruz (WWC 1991) We head into Puerto Rico for some Little Tokyo!!! This one is JIP. Tokyo is a grizzled veteran at this point and is awesome. There is some comedy you would expect, but damn you get this real cool spot where the faces pick up Cruz and use him to do a bettering ram on Tokyo in the corner a few times. It looked vicious and great. The heels start cheating to get the heat and do some old school heel tag actions. Cruz even hits a nice belly to belly suplex. Coco is decent enough as a FIP, but Tokyo and Cruz are the stars here.There was the token mini thrown into ref after kick out spot which I hate. Karate Kid gets a hot tag and does some fancy karate for the win. A fun and solid southern style tag match. El Torito vs Hornswoggle (WWE Smackdown, 2014.04.18) I didn't realize they wrestled on Smackdown, so I was excited since their PPV matches were so awesome. They start with headlocks and old school wrestling like push off run ropes into body check. Then Torito shows off his awesome spots with a headscissors and a dropkick. A vicious throw into the turnbuckle by Hornswoggle and then he hits the Yokozuna bomb, but does the silly comedy afraid of height thing. HUGE LARIAT by Hornswoggle and he does a great Hansen impersonation. JBL and Cole are horrible here, though, over hyping this in a mocking fashion. Almost a death bodyslam by Hornswoggle! He taunts the Matadores and a nice hope spot roll up by Torito for two. Come back by Torito and it's great seeing Dorada incorporating bull movements into his already great routine. It's great he can go from awesome Rey Jr. esque wrestler to comedy Rey Jr. wrestler so easily. Big moonsault by Torito for a win. A very fine 5 minute TV match. WWE TV needs more Torito.

Matt D EDIT: Also, look at what I said. I backed up my position and you said it is a nostalgia vote? Do you think match structure and strategy is not important? How about working successfully as babyfaces and heels? What part of what I said was wrong or wrong enough for you to assume I am just trying to justify my nostalgia.

What I love about Demolition is that you can see strategy in their matches. They cut off the ring and double team and tag in and out like few tag teams. As heels they were great with structure and I enjoyed so many of their matches. As babyfaces they were interesting and had some good matches like The Brainbusters series or The Twin Towers matches. They will probably make my list. This is the ultimate great matches vs great performances debate.

I loved every single Rock & Roll match they had and in those they seem like an all-time great team. A Stomper list would be nice here, because I enjoy the heck out of what I saw.

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Hi Nikolaj, thanks for enjoying my show (Pro-Wrestling Super Show). Welcome to the board. I'm so glad you are doing the exact purpose of the Greatest Wrestler Ever project. I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts.

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Another thing to point out is that watching wrestling from the past almost makes you lend an analytical eye. Watching things live gives you a better chance to get caught up in the show, while a 20 year old show has an almost impossible task in trying to get you hooked emotionally.

Kevin Kelly in the AWA?

This is a funny example, because while I haven't seen Interstellar yet, plenty of the reviews make it seem like the sort of half-baked sci-fi that falls apart if you think too hard, kind of like Prometheus (and that's been a problem for Nolan himself previously). That's the risk you run when you aim high, and when the souffle falls, it can take the emotional/awe-inspiring moments with it. I can't get onboard with "don't overthink" enjoyment for movies that aim higher than popcorn status, because it makes it hard to call a spade a spade. Movies that give me a lot to think about make me think a lot. I more frequently "fall for" character dramas and comedies than high-concept, high-plot action and sci-fi, because they have less of a framework to undermine, but I'm more impressed when a complex construction doesn't fall apart. Use whatever example you want, my point still stands. I've seen these problems with Interstellar lists going around online and I just don't understand people. Outside of the paradox ninety percent of these complains are from people who seem to have either no imagination or no ability to think for themselves. I LOVED this movie.

I look at wrestling the same way I look at movies. Some movies and wrestling match I look at and start picking it apart. Some I watch and just think that I am enjoying this. The very best are the ones where you are legit cheering the good guys and booing the villains. If you are one of those assholes that can sit through something like Interstellar and just pick it apart and not be rooting for Murphy in the end or whatever film you actually gets you, if nothing can make you cheer for a babyface in wrestling and hope that a heel loses, than you are in a position to always watch things as a critic. I do kind of feel bad for you in that case, but I do understand it. I just think you are missing out.