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He could hit a high dropkick.
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Is there love for it? Yeah I'm with you...I don't like that match at all. Kiniski really kills the flow of it and I have a hard time watching it still. I think I've only ever really sat through it completely once.
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If you're talking about the Starrcade Flair cage match then you're right. That's well after his peak as a good announcer. For me, Solie's strength was in hosting the shows. That's where he shined. He was great at calling the studio matches and also giving an air of legitimacy to the craziness that was happening. I find his calls on stuff like the a Dibiase-Steve O face vs. face studio match a blast to listen to. I can understand why someone might not dig him though.
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I agree...I would even go up to about the Piper turn in 82. After that, the product really dips in Georgia and he with it. I love listening to him on the late 70's-early 80's GCW stuff though. As for Russell, he's my favorite overall. I could listen to him read a recipe for making brownies.
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Exactly, they let his contract lapse and it was something he was upset about and mentioned in the press. I never understood the whole "give back" thing. He was paid to do a job and he did it really well. He brought in millions of dollars in ticket sales and merchandise to the company. He doesn't owe me, as a fan, anything. I paid to watch him and I always felt he put out a strong effort in his matches and promos. That's all the social contract calls for. Hell, there are plenty of wrestlers still working today that don't even accomplish that much. It's not like he became a Johnny Carson-like recluse. The guy is all over TV and movies. If you're that big a fan of him you can see him in plenty of places.
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Yeah this kind of stuff happens all the time. It's so odd. One of my friends is the daughter of the late Gordon Jump (Mr. Carlson from WKRP in Cincinatti). He was in one of the more famous Different Strokes episodes in which he plays a child molester who tries to make a move on Arnold and Dudley. She was telling me that they basically got ostracized from their church because of that episode. "If you can play that so well on TV, there must be a part of you that is like that", was what he was told. People can know that it's "not real" but still have a visceral reaction to it. My grandmother would swear up and down that wrestling was fake but would freak out when a heel used a steel chair ("See?! See! I don't like it when they do that!") and called Stephanie McMahon a slut. I come from a classy folk I think jdw had great points. It's why I never bought the "wrestling needs kayfabe" arguments. You can know something isn't "real" but still get caught up in it. The Dark Knight wasn't a documentary. I know Bale and Ledger were actors but I was thinking that they were Batman and Joker while I was watching it. If it's done well, then you buy into it...simple as that. That notion is definitely prevalent. It's that "no one can do what we do" attitude and it drives me nuts sometimes. No one has any right to know what goes on behind the scenes or can have any opinion on wrestling without having set up rings, sold programs, did jobs, took a bump...etc. I guarantee all of the wrestlers that are sports fans pick up the sports page and bitch about the stupid moves that their favorite team is making without ever having thrown a pitch or a pass. Or they go to the movies and talk about how an actor sucked or the writing was bad.
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The Midnight Express & Jim Cornette Scrapbook
Jkeats replied to rovert's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Finally got my copy the other day. Really loving it so far. I find it a really unique way to tell the story, through the results and anecdotes surrounding key moments. I agree with Busterira, as I usually do, the pics are top notch -
What was the F5 then? Did he just spin him to the mat? Odd, I always thought it was supposed to be the same move but that it was just done sloppily by Lesnar. Kind of like how Cena's Throwback/FU seemed like a sloppier Death Valley Driver when he started using it. My apologies. IIRC, Bryan Danielson was using the cross face chicken wing for a bit. That is a great submission move, I'd love to see it brought back more prominantly.
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Marc Mero was using the F5 calling it the TKO back in his latter day WWF run well before Lesnar came in.
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I loved the simplicity of this move when the person on the receiving end knew how to take it. One of my favorite double team moves was from the team of Condrey and Schultz in Memphis. Schultz would chicken wing the arm and hook his toe under the forearm. Condrey would run into the ropes and cross body Schultz, snapping the recipient's arm. I don't buy it as a finisher but it was a great punishing move. I think the abdominal stretch was a great move (and really hurt like hell when applied as a guillotine in amateur wrestling) but the foot needs to be hooked! Also, with the rise of MMA, I'm surprised the sleeper hasn't made a comeback. It would have to be modified into that rear naked choke style, though. Laying on the mat with the feet hooked around the midsection. I was always a fan of the brainbuster, visually, but I can't imagine anyone bringing that back. No one really does a powerslam, at all, any more. At least no one that jumps to mind. It's kind of been replaced by spinebuster type moves.
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I remember watching this match...I think I was around 12 or so. I was so excited, I remember being at a store the next day and going on and on about how Ricky Morton pinned Ric Flair right there on TV to my Mom. She did her best to no-sell me...but I was relentless
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Yeah I got it off PWTorrents as well. If I'm not mistaken it was in the PWT 100 countdown for 1983 and was put up there with very little fanfare. I have yet to watch it since downloading it but with all the hype for it, I think I may watch it tonight!
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The Midnight Express & Jim Cornette Scrapbook
Jkeats replied to rovert's topic in Publications and Podcasts
I ordered it last week and Stacey emailed and said it would be shipping on the 28th...I'm really hoping it's there when I get home for some weekend reading. Glad to hear it's good! -
I had always heard that it was Kevin Sullivan that pushed the idea of a cruiserweight division. It definitely did set WCW apart.
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ha...I don't know why, but I read this twice, and both times I literally laughed out loud It is quite amusing. Here it is, starting about 1:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCPxoEnBDfo. Listening back, I misquoted a bit because they say something in between the two lines. But I just love JR's tone when he admonished Lawler. I think they way they actually say it is even funnier. Lawler's "Come on ref, JR says that's not legal" is such a great dig at Ross' admonishment. On that always cracked me up and I wish I could remember which ppv or Clash it was from. Maybe a Road Wild? Dusty Rhodes and Larry Zbyszko are doing the show open and Dusty blurts out: "It's so cold it'll freeze the boogers up in ya nose!" ...Beat ...Beat ...Beat Larry: "WHAT?!?!"
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Thanks for that Kris. It's really interesting because on the GCW TV they barely mention these matches at all, even in the hype. But it looks like they had a more continuous feud outside the Omni. There were large stretches in Atlanta where they weren't facing off. It doesn't seem any different than any other long term feud.
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Yeah people always seem to talk about him doing the "same spots" in all of his matches and that somehow equates to all of his matches being exactly the same. As if no other wrestler has signature spots that are repeated. And for as much love as the Steamboat matches get and deserve, I really love the Windham WWW draw and the Koko B Ware match from Memphis. Not to mention the two great matches with Funk in '89.
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Really nothing more that can be said as Loss really nailed it with his post. All I can offer up is that you can even look at the most recent Definitive Ric Flair Collection put out by WWE. The Brisco, Kerry and Race (the one with the Orton turn) matches are all very different from each other. I think, like Ronnie mentioned, is that it's the opinion of people who have only seen him from the mid 90's on.
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Growing up, I remembered Buddy as the "217 lb" mid carder for WWF and later on as an AWA tag champion in a great feud with the Rockers. It wasn't until I got into the tape trading world last year that I really got to see his top notch stuff. His feud with Piper in Portland is some of my favorite stuff to watch now. They had such a great chemistry and he made a fantastic chickenshit heel. One of my favorite promos ever is that one with him, Piper, Wiskoski and Killer Brooks coming out with all of the title belts in the wheelbarrow. It was so great in it's cockiness, I'm shocked no one has ever used it again since. His matches with Backlund for the WWF Title are top notch as well and show that he was much more than the mid card joke that a lot of people seem to want him to portray him as. A very underrated worker. Very sad to hear of him passing.
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Yeah I found it really odd because on the TV show they barely talk about each other at all until around summer of 83. I was expecting this long, drawn out war and them interacting on TV and cutting promos on each other for months...but it doesn't appear that way at all. You wouldn't even have known they had any issues with each other until 1983
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Randy Orton was really bad at slapping on a boring chinlock for no apparent reason. He's gotten better with that where his head/chinlocks look like working holds instead of just rest holds. Here's something that could be a myth. I could be wrong because I've only recently been able to see Georgia Championship Wrestling and only read about it in the Apter mags...the Buzz Sawyer-Tommy Rich feud. I've often heard that they waged battle against "only each other" for close to two years. In watching the GCW TV shows, that doesn't seem the case at all. In fact, it looks like their feud started in the spring of 83 and ended in October with the Last Battle of the Atlanta. For the 18 mos. thing to hold true they would have had to have started feuding in the spring of 1982 and the TV shows don't bear that out at all. From 411Mania.com: That's not even close to being true as Sawyer had matches with Piper and Dick Slater during this time and Rich was feuding with Bill Irwin on the shows I'm watching now (August 83). Can anyone shed light on the myth that they waged war for close to two years?
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Right?! I remember watching that going "well I would be mad at him too". WWF had the policy of "whatever Hogan did was ok" and it drove me nuts (especially since Piper and Flair were two of my favorites).
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I think during that 1995 run they were testing out a heel turn for him, IIRC. But yeah, he always fought a little dirty and acted like a jerk to a lot of faces. One of my biggest "outrages" growing up was during the 92 Rumble and Sid throws Hogan out. Hogan is complaining and goes back to eliminate Sid. In the original commentary that was on the PPV, Monsoon was actually speaking out against how Hogan was acting. Later, on TV, when they showed the ending of the Rumble, they had gone back and redone the commentary so Monsoon was talking about Hogan being robbed.