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This is actually a great question. Hulk Hogan comes to mind. Kurt Angle too.

This will be my last Pro-wrestling board, without a doubt. Thanks for this year, people.

I should have listened. Tepid doesn't even begin to describe it.

Pretty funny stuff indeed. This should be a thread in itself !

They have their own thread at PWO. They won.

This. And Twitter drama is always sad, basically. The only goal of pro-wrestling is selling tickets & merch. The Bucks do that without the WWE machine. More power to them, whether I care or not about their act. The rest is basically bullshit.

Hulk Hogan : it looked real and not at all embarrassing to non-fans... Really, people ? The post-modern shit can be unbearable if you're not into it, but for fuck's sake, the Rocket Launcher ? Stan Lane's karate kicks ? All the gaga in every southern tag-team match ever ?

It was a tired spot by 1999.

Just learned Taya Walkyrie was actually featured on World of Hurt, the infamous Lance Storm reality show from way back. I saw that back in the day and had totally forgot about it !

Thought the same thing. That would be a riot. Especially the part where Stephy & Trip don't get to be the boss anymore. Well, one can always dream, ok ? I want my WCW back... this would be Lethal Lottery time right about now...

Wouldn't be complete without a "You deserve it" chant, of course. Fuck that, Zenjo was packing the Budokan 30 years ago.

So, I watched that 4-tag-team match. Since I'm not following the product closely at this point, I learned a few things : _Aidan English has got an amazing voice. _Rusev is over as fuck. Why isn't he pushed as a main event act with Lana back at his side ? Crazy. _After the failure of American Alpha, Chad Gable is now teaming with.... Shelton Benjamin ? Ok. I'm afraid to guess why... He's still awesome though, these suplexes were god-like. Fun match mostly thanks to the final sprint, but clusterfucky as hell and sloppy at points too. And then, Charlotte vs Natalya was ok but the ridiculous gimmick (at least they didn't call them lumberjills, but a ring "surrounded" by like 8 people really looks stupid) made it worse. The post-match promo by Natalya was brutal. Charlotte is sadly not looking special anymore when booked in heatless mid-card feuds like this. The Bludgeon Brothers comes off as such an awful gimmick too, with the idiotic promo after the match. Why does everything has to be cute and silly ? Too bad for Harper, who really could be pushed as a single. Plus they really look like Random Savage Guys Team, really. He'll be depushed, gain some weight and just be a random ugly & crappy Canadian wrestler with awful skin. Basically, he'll be Rick Bogner.

I haven't seen the segment. And it seems god-fucking-awful and everything that you just mentioned. It's so infuriating and indeed patronizing. But the outcome, the real outcome that is important to the WWE people is the fact Stephy is presented as the Mother Hen of WWE Women Liberation tm. That's the only thing that matters, ultimately, which is why they have to go through the process of group hugging and crying and shit. It has to be underlined as a "creative process" on Stephy's part (although she isn't even in creative at this point I believe), much like HHH is using NXT to wank in the face of "smart" fans at every turn, while he's only simply rotating indy darlings (lol) in big push positions and doing retromaniac booking that everyone know won't fly in the main roster. Basically, it's all about empowering the McMahons, who are official supports (and more) of Donald Trump, that feminist... As far as the Women's Rumble, super cool idea and looking forward to it (yeah, I know, I'm setting myself up for disappointment already).

I haven't seen the segment, and from what I read here, I'm glad I haven't. Reeks of Stephy's Women's Revolutiontm bullshit. Can't they just announce a Royal Rumble for the women wrestler as part of, ya know, pro-rasslin' ?

Damnit of course. Those MMA guys, whoever they are... I figured Steph would be Missy on here, as SHE and only SHE is responsible for women's wrestling being featured. Like, ever.

Asuka is Tazz. Rousey is Mark Coleman. So, who should be Missy ?

I haven't watch stuff regularly enough (except for taped-in-2016 LU and WWE PPVs), so I'll throw Braun Strowman in there. The big fucking monster killing people and looking like a freak, so cool that the audience would cheer him despite the booking, was the most compelling and fresh thing in WWE this year.

Most "most underrated" actually become "overrated" with time and pendulum & "underrated" accumulation effect. If I hear yet another time that Brad Armstrong or Hulk Hogan are underrated, I might throw up. On the other hand, I'd say that, for instance, Hulk Hogan was a better worker than Ric Flair at some point in their career (WCW 1999 is what I'm thinking about). Or that Brad Armstrong, as solid as he was, never put it together like Tito Santana did in the same kind of very basic 80's babyface work, which is why Tito had quite a bit of terrific matches and Armstrong a whole lot of solid yet unengaging stuff. That's basically the reason why, after being around for almost 20 years (yeah, I'm old as fuck), I really can't get into those discussions anymore because the question goc asks is the one that matters the most infact. But we won't have to actually watch the matches, yes ?

That's cool. Hopefully they book it well and give it enough time.

Ultima Lucha Tres. (yeah, it was taped in 2016, I KNOW, but it's still a 2017 TV show) : cool booking, a bunch of crazy matches.

Damn, all of this really underlines how much this company is dead to me right now. Even watching AJ, whom I love and think he's one of the best ever, just won't do it because I have zero interest in having him carry dull loads of nothing. The idea that Shane O Mac is still the focal point of the main event scene is grotesque. I guess I could watch the multi-tag match which sounds fun and Charlotte because she's Charlotte (and I don't mind Natalya at all), but there's not much cherry to pick anymore right now… I'm more excited about rewatching World War III with Schiavone's podcast comments at this point.

And GLOW, of course.

S3 was released in 2017. So there.

Lucha Underground.