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This is obnoxious as fuck, really. I'd rather take one exemple of why Flair was not a smart worker in the GOAT poll thread at this point, although talking about Flair really is boring to me.

When I talk about Edge being the one who introduced stupid looking indieriffic moves with physics that don't make any sense, I think that one is the all-time worse. Plus, you forgot to mention that to accomplish that, Edge himself was talking an ass bump. It's basically Edge taking an ass bump so his opponent takes a regular back bump. Looks awkward as hell, doesn't make sense in any way shape or form. Just fucking grab the guy's head and throw him back on the ground instead of pulling his ears/whatever while you're going along for a useless and stupid bump yourself.

Have been watching a bunch of WCCW over the last few months. Not impressed. Nothing strikes me as particulary good yet.

I'll give you that. I actually really enjoyed her at that Mania, doing a totally decent Woman tribute act at ringside. That's the last time I enjoyed Stephy (and HHH for that matter).

Oh fuck. Anyway. If anyone can supply me with say, 20 MNM matches (apart from the WWECW one of course, been there done that), I'll probably check them out.

Thanks. I'll check it. Wait, LOD ? What ?

Grimmas, on 02 Oct 2015 - 7:39 PM, said: Well Stephanie is a good promo... In some alternate universe maybe. And like I mentionned before, it's really unfair to say X or Y is a good "promo" these days, since no one expect maybe one or two people cut actual promos anymore. They're all terrible actors badly delivering terrible written lines, really. I've seen better acting in 90's French porn or AB sitcoms. Ok, maybe not AB sitcoms.

Come on. Triple H made Booker T and Chris Jericho into legit main eventers too. He's a star maker and he got over just as big as The Rock and Steve Austin back in the days. And Stephy is a great promo. Get with the program people, you'll get them on TV until you (or WWE) die now.

Ok people. Me want match list. I really liked the December to Dismember match against the Hardies, and the act looks terrific. If I watch some 00's WWE in the time I got left, this will be it.

Yep. And yep. He was filmed by the belgium TV show Strip-tease (which I never cared for although it has always been critically applauded) in the 90's. That's the only enjoyable thing he was ever part of. Complete bullshiter, total carny (couldn't find a subtitled version, sorry) : http://www.buzzmoica.fr/video/striptease-flesh-gordon-et-les-pompiers-1995-une-video-comedie-et-humour-9500 At some point he talks about doing huge ratings at midnight on TF1, and how the channel wanted to put them at 10.pm, but one (then) very famous soccer announcer said he would quit if wrestling was on TV.

Ah, yeah, Flesh and his topless valets. He also had a godawful look (even for the early 90s) and was a terrible promo. Such a beauf.

Backlund and Micheals also had an IC title match in Paris in 1993, which was released on com tape. Haven't seen it in ages, but I remember liking it.

That invisible man is better than Kane. All joking aside, that's terrific.

The jokes write themselves.

Remind me what LU character played by a worker as shitty as Kane has been on TV for 17 years straight already ? Blue Demon Jr and Chavo are pretty close Chavo is a good worker. And Chavo's LU character is probably the coolest of his career, and was fresh too. And I haven't heard one good thing said about Blue Demon in LU either, everybody seems to agree he was worthless there too. So...

Remind me what LU character played by a worker as shitty as Kane has been on TV for 17 years straight already ?

Couldn't agree more. Yoko = great at small stuffs and certain spots. Never got it together to have really strong matches. Nerve hold sucks (oh, that Lex Luger match at Mania X)

Adonis is one guy that I can say I find repulsive. As in, physically repulsive. And apparently, he was quite a repulsive guy (bully, gross, whatever). Real great mechanic, but as far as a worker goes, jury's out as far as I'l concerned. I'm in between I guess. Oh man, those loooooooong ass tag matches with Murdoch, going nowhere forever. Yeah, I get the feeling. Will rewatch the Backlund stuff at some point.

Yeah, I'll listen to Cortez the Killer over any Bob Dylan classic album, really.

From this thread, it seems like basically, the guys with the most footage should win. At this point really, I take a great Bock match over a great Flair match, and that's what matters to me. Hell, I take a good/very good Bock match over your regular Flair-o-rama.

He was pretty damn dull in New Japan when he toured in 93 or so, last time I checked.

The thing is, people got used to see Bret Hart and Sting use the scorpiondeathlock as a instant finisher, usually only at the very end of the match. There was not much in term of teases (although Bret would do it more in big matches), and the hold was sold as instant death in 95% of the case. So it's kinda hard to adjust to the way Choshu used it in retrospect, but it made a lot of sense. First, that hold was not instant death back then. You could stay in it for a while. It could be the finisher, but not necessarily (and really, not that often because big names would not lose clean in the 80's, and especially not by submissions). Choshu also made it a struggle all the time, usually by having to fight to roll the opponent on his stomach, and usually putting pression on the legs/ankle/knee during the first phase. And then, Choshu used the sasorigatame kinda like Jake would with the DDT in term of teases, it was fitting his sudden offensive style, going for it quickly and as much as he could, at key points during the match. So yeah, very different use than Bret and Sting did later. Once you get used to it, there's really nothing wrong about it at all.

Most probably, in no particular order : Top 3 : Stan Hansen Jumbo Tsuruta Terry Funk Then a mix of : Toshiaki Kawada Nick Bockwinkle Kiyoshi Tamura And : Mitsuharu Misawa Kenta Kobashi …. dunno if I would add any women since I haven't watched joshi in forever, but I guess Aja, Jaguar, Bull or Hokuto could fit the bill too

That is totally her.

You didn't compare all-time great Stan Hansen with all-time shitty RVD, did you ? (yeah, I agree about Brock BTW and feel the same way about his work, and about the "tool" aspect of RVD's work, in more ways than one. Totally disagree about Hansen though, but you already knew that)