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I blame the Hardies for being one of the firsts, along with Edge, to bring awkward indierrific moves with useless body movements into the mainstream. But apart from that, there were a good tag team. I really liked the MNM match from that WWECW PPV a lot.

Everyone and their dog doing a podcast. It's getting ridiculous. Latest in the game : Bill Demott. First guest : Vince Russo. No comment.

Probably because you had some DOA vs Recon & Sniper match on the other channel.

Tito Santana would disagree. But yeah. People often gush about "storytelling" in wrestling, but the truth is, not that many stories are told. Not that much variations, which is too bad.

Indeed.

I missed the part when I said anything about people wanting to vote for Ken Wayne. Oh, that's right, I didn't say anything. I just agreed with someone who previously said he couldn't separate the man from the worker. There you go. If I hadn't been called a hypocrite, there wouldn't have been any "horrifying" post. How much better is my moral compass ? What ? I'm just explaining why I feel the way I do after being called a hypocrite, Mister. You're the one passing judgment. I am not doing any moral competition. I didn't insult anyone either. So, deal with it. On the matter at hands, I do like Danny Davis quite a bit. (is that pro-wrestling only enough ?)

No. And if some people have issues with my perspective, too bad. I think I'm being perfectly clear about why I think the way I do. (Horrifying ? Seriously ? Let's keep the big words for the serious issues. That's a plea.)

This. Child sex exploitation. I'll pass. I find your stance very hypocritical considering you're still planning on putting Benoit on your list. Please, not this again. Do I need to explain for the billion time that we, ok let's say *I*, grew up with Benoit and that he only snaped and commited his awful crime after years and years of watching him and having made my mind about his quality as a wrestler ? While the Nightmares, well I probably saw some stuff when I watched some Memphis TV a few years ago, but it's not like I have any opinion or attachment to their work whatsoever, it would be new to me. And I just have no interest in watching a child molestor just because he was an entertaining rassstler. So hypocritical my ass. And then, at the risk of shocking people, a guy who by all acount has been a decent human being for most of his life before snapping for a reason we'll never know and murdering his family is less morally shocking to me than a life-long child abuser and rapist like say, Buck Zhumofe. That's where I stand to begin with. The Benoit crime is and will forever be a mystery and a tragedy, and what he did was of course godawful. But the other ones are legit human pieces of trash to me, and probably have been all their lives. So there.

Really, they blend together and when I was going through the entire ECW history a few years back, TV shows, com tapes, whatever house show I could find and PPV's, by 99 I was less tolerant of what I didn't like, and I truly hated those Dudleys vs Spike & Balls matches. By the end I was fast forwarding them because I could not handle it anymore. To me Spike is mediocre at best, I can't watch Balls because of his gimmick which ruins whatever talent he does have and the Duds are just that once they get to the wrestling part (I liked Buh Buh before he teamed with D-Von, who's a really shitty worker to me. They got better in WWE, yeah, that's me saying that, stupid crowd reactions aside, but I really like them less than most I believe). Along with RVD and New Jack, Spike & Balls were the two acts I just couldn't bare at all by the end of my ECW watch.

This. Child sex exploitation. I'll pass.

Those matches were unwatchable to me. So yeah, not enough.

If/when I'll watch those Portland TV shows, I'll see what's that.

Nah. Their best work was in 96 when Luger was a goofy tweener. And that's not about in-ring work. The 1990 Steiner match is one of the most overrated match of the 90's (along with the Steiner vs Hase & Sasaki match from the Dome. See the pattern ?).

I'm an ECW and a Sabu fan. But RVD is a no no. Clusterfuck Express.

Oh yeah. The Old Ace & the Young Ace together against the Funks. Terrific team of the 70's.

*vomit*

Ah ah ah !

I don't even see what's sleazy about it if it were true honestly. Ok, they're friends and swingers. And what ? They have nice orgies together and then make money in the same company. Ok. Good for them.

I would need to watch U-style, which was the island after the flood. Battlarts is both insanely fun and suppremely overrated. I like the best guys over there, but no. They don't compare. No, he doesn't. I just went through a dozen or so of UWF & UWF-I matches in the last week. You can say "Takada is sleeping on the floor", it doesn't make it true. Takada was a decent matworker. Not great at all, but decent. Enough for what he wanted to do, especially when others could carry the load on that matter, like Sano, Fujiwara, Yamazaki etc... No. That's just how he worked his escapes and knock downs. It's just like Onita would do in his own way and his own style. Just milking shit up, having a great body language and facial expressions.

Ok, I rewatch the sequence, because I'm annoying like that. Listening to the crowd noise, it's not really accurate, sorry. The crowd noise lowers exactly when Takada takes Fuji by the hand to drag him at the center of the ring. So I blame Fuji, who didn't go for the knock down in what could/should have been a dramatic moment. Then Takada grabs his "shitty" leglock, crowd reacts mildly. Fuji doesn't do shit. Crowd dies. Fuji does nothing while it's the ending sequence that should be hot. Takada feeds him his legs so Fuji counters the right one and grabs the left one and finally puts on his submission. Crowd pops. But the entire sequence came off anticlimatic because of Fuji's reluctance to 1) go down for the kicks 2)immediately counter the "shitty" submission. And really, if the submission was that shitty, Fuji should have said "fuck this" and counter it immediately instead of lying on the back while the crowd was dying. Or he could have sold it like death. That's what great workers do, they sell, and even if the execution of the hold is not top notch (and you won't get an argument from me that Takada is that great matworker with super tight holds, because he's not), it works because the selling does the entire job. He did neither. We can agree on that. It was just that. Ok. Not very good. Not noodly either. Just ok.

The problem with Ziggler is that he looks like Billy Gunn.

Wanting great matwork from Takada is like wanting great matwork from Jerry Lawler. It's just not his game. I don't know why people can't get that through their heads. I guess it's an entirely stylistic matter. "Oh, it's shoot-style so it's about matwork and kicking.". Not necessarily. These are just tools. Takada had the most pro-style mind of the shoot-style guys. And he became the biggest star ever in his realm because of it actually. I have not seen enough Sakata to judge, but his work came mostly after the shoot-style was gone anyway. I don't think HUSTLE produced that much classics. His wife is awesome though. The other two are mostly MMA guys, aren't they ? So I don't even see the point. By UWF standarts, Takada was a very good striker, that's all. His ability to create drama is all about selling and milking shit Onita-style. Nothing to do with pure kicking ability (and really, the ability to create drama of Jerry Lawler has nothing to do with his "wrestling" ability either)

Nice preterition. But that's the very first time I hear that bout the Meros. The rumours going around was Bischoff and Page swapping wives, but there really haven't been anything to it.

But not in a cool way like Rude was !

Interesting. I had seen Finlay in NJ before WCW I think, I guess on Eurosport. But I didn't realize Finlay's WCW work was atypical. And really, although I think he's tremendous as a mechanic, he's lacking something to me, and his WWE work just doesn't cut it in term of great performances either. Don't get me wrong, I like him a lot. But I wonder if he's not in the same bag with DiBiase to me.