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[1992-08-08-SMW-Fire on the Mountain] Brian Lee vs Dirty White Boy
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
Okay match, but yet again, Brian Lee just isn't very interesting. -
[1992-08-08-SMW-Fire on the Mountain] Rock & Roll Express vs Stud Stable
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
Loss said it best. Rock'n Roll by the numbers, which can't be bad, but the Stud Stable just isn't that good, so it feels like a match we've seen a hundred times against random opponents. Landell vs Horner and especially Orndorff vs Garvin were much better. -
Hard to have a really good match in this setting, the old UWF barb-wire cage. Decent brawl, but nothing special. I agree Pritchard was the standout.
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The NAO ? Are we serious ? These guys were an intro that got a big pop. An intro. People didn't give a shit after the intro, they just wanted to chant along, the NOA matches were mostly dead.
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You can add Landell. Actually, Tim Horner doesn't bother me because he's in the "so bad it's funny" territory to me on the stick. Bobby Fulton is pretty good though, but yes, the face side is pretty thin as far as good promo goes, thankfully Bullet Bob gets things straight.
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I disagree. The better part of the match involve the Bodies. Once they and the Fans are gone, the match is just not as good, although Danny Davis really shines. I'm not feeling Dixie at all, he's clearly the worst Armstrong brother. I enjoy 4 corner matches, and they did a good job with the gimmick, nicely building Fans vs Bodies and giving Golden & Fuller time to get some heat. Good stuff.
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Agreed too. Both Dutch and Armstrong are just perfect there. Yet another excellent edition of Down & Dirty.
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[1992-08-01-SMW-TV] Interview: Jim Cornette & Heavenly Bodies
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
SMW is doing old-school hardcore before ECW could. Good stuff, the point of the dangerosity of the barb-wire is well taken. -
I enjoyed Scott & Steve back in 1999 when they would showed up in Nitro and Thunder randomly. The Dixie character is just cheese and the mask doesn't do Scott any favour, as I think it emphasize his bad teeth. I actually never saw the Stud Stable before, only saw Golden as Bunkhouse Buck in WCW and Fuller as a manager, which I always enjoyed.
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Well, I know. But I thought putting all of these next to one another produced a funny creepy effect.
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Come on people, Stan's got a busted eardrum...
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Between this, "White Ligntning", Dixie Dy-no-mite with the confederate flag all over his face, how close was SMW from having a bunch of Klan members ? Woops, the Harris Boys and their SS tatoos are coming soon, nevermind... Seriously, WTF was Cornette thinking having a nazi jobber ? I'm really enjoying the Heavenly Bodies vs Fantastics feud. Tons of great brawl sequences, really feels like Mid-South. With the barb-wire cage match coming up at Fire On the Mountain, that feeling will only get stronger I guess. Bob Armstrong is a great TV character, and superb talker. I also really warmed up to Caudle, and Dutch Mantell is just hilarious and a tremendous color man. Why was he not given a good role in WWF or WCW is beyond me. Brian Lee is clearly not doing much for me as the ace of the promotion. He's okay but not very good at anything. Can't wait til we get more of DWB, I'm enjoying him more each week. Tim Horner is a guilty pleasure. Such a horrible promo, but such a solid worker in the ring. Dixie Dy-no-mite is an annoying gimmick, and I feel like the lesser of the Armstrong is under the mask thus far. Ditto Killer Kyle, I just don't care for the guy at all. Jobber doing a third rate Mr. Hughes gimmick. Danny Davis is still a good worker, but his looks is just bad, again, looks like a jobber with these thights. I wish they would do more with him though. I did not care one bit for Jimmy Golden vs Robert Gibson, but turning this into a tag feud will get things better.
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Very good vignette. Now this is some southern trash between two dirty men.
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Me too. Continuity. Now, I kinda look forward to Stud Stable vs Rock'n Roll Express.
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Jimmy Golden does nothing for me. Just a dull brawler. Don't care about this feud at all, although Ricky Morton coming back should get things better.
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A few things there. First, Bob Armstrong is one of the best authority figure I've seen. Stern, great on the mic, credible. Second, Cornette takes a great bump out of throwing a fit, it's hilarious. What strikes me in this segment is how lively and organic it is. Today, everything is : one guy talks on the mic, then another guy talks on the mic, then the other guy respond, and everything is awkward and looks fake. Here, things happen in the ring, everyone is reacting to what's being said, Cornette is talking whether he's given the mic or not, it feels "real", it flows. This is so refreshing compared to the dull monologues exchanges that we have on TV now.
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My girlfriend says yes. As a wrestling fan, I think it's ridiculous. If Vince wanted to make Rey Mysterio the Man, he would. He has just as much (well, more infact) charisma as John Cena, he could move merch like crazy with kids, he could have moved the spanish speaking audience, he's a superior worker. The "pseudo-sport" aspect is so irrelevant at this point. Plus as Ric Flair would do, you cut them legs and those giants don't look so big flat on their backs. Pro-wrestling is perception only. If you train people to think that Rey Mysterio is the Man, they will accept it as the guy is capable of playing the part.
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That's why the + is there. He had the supreme IT anyway. Like I previously said, he was also crazy over in New Japan too. Then came the WWF marketing machine, which propelled him even higher in term of global overness.
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Not where I get them anyway..... But I think so, yes. Maybe I'm mistaken.
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This. At some point, I'm willing to give Hogan all the credit he deserves, and he's been given plenty in the last 5 or 6 years, but one as to also accept the fact that WWF marketing machine + intangible IT made Hogan what he became. Not his great talent. He had more IT than anyone else before and after him (until The Rock came on scene). When you're over to that degree, the quality of the match doesn't matter at all.
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Cena winning *in the context of the match* doesn't bother me. As a one night stand, I thought it was awesome from start to finish. In context, the finish is totally retarded of course. Hogan hulking up at WM 5 and shitting on Savage's elbow and rolling up the match in one big boot and one legdrop really kills the match to me.
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The video package is awesome, grainy picture and all. It does make look like Garvin like a guy from another era completely though, but it's still great to look at. The music is boss too. Ron Wright is gold.
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I can only imagine for the guys who went through the old NWA for years, then WCW with the great 1992 and early 1994, Flair, Steamboat, Dangerous Alliance, Dustin, Austin, Pillman, Vader, how they must have felt at this moment. My heart would have sunk. I don't think they would have picture that the next Starrcade would be main-evented by Brutus Beefcake though.
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I don't think anyone here is saying Brock would have made a monstruous, historical buyrate anyway. Especially since like you said the writers suck anyway and they can't book to save their life. Still, Brock vs Cena built for the second biggest show of the year would have made probably a bigger buyrate than normal, and it was common sense to at least *try* to make the most out of him. Instead, they hotshot the big match on the B-PPV following a ridiculous WM. Lesnar was probably not worth that kind of money, especially in non-competitive landscape, but they did exactly the contrary of what they should have done to at least try, just try to make the most out of the investment.
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Well, some people thought it was a good idea to rush through stuff with Lesnar to get "the most out of him right away". Some people thought Cena beating Lesnar was a good idea too. Where's the "burning money" banner again ?