El-P
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That's why the + is there. He had the supreme IT anyway. Like I previously said, he was also crazy over in New Japan too. Then came the WWF marketing machine, which propelled him even higher in term of global overness.
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Not where I get them anyway..... But I think so, yes. Maybe I'm mistaken.
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This. At some point, I'm willing to give Hogan all the credit he deserves, and he's been given plenty in the last 5 or 6 years, but one as to also accept the fact that WWF marketing machine + intangible IT made Hogan what he became. Not his great talent. He had more IT than anyone else before and after him (until The Rock came on scene). When you're over to that degree, the quality of the match doesn't matter at all.
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Cena winning *in the context of the match* doesn't bother me. As a one night stand, I thought it was awesome from start to finish. In context, the finish is totally retarded of course. Hogan hulking up at WM 5 and shitting on Savage's elbow and rolling up the match in one big boot and one legdrop really kills the match to me.
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The video package is awesome, grainy picture and all. It does make look like Garvin like a guy from another era completely though, but it's still great to look at. The music is boss too. Ron Wright is gold.
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I can only imagine for the guys who went through the old NWA for years, then WCW with the great 1992 and early 1994, Flair, Steamboat, Dangerous Alliance, Dustin, Austin, Pillman, Vader, how they must have felt at this moment. My heart would have sunk. I don't think they would have picture that the next Starrcade would be main-evented by Brutus Beefcake though.
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I don't think anyone here is saying Brock would have made a monstruous, historical buyrate anyway. Especially since like you said the writers suck anyway and they can't book to save their life. Still, Brock vs Cena built for the second biggest show of the year would have made probably a bigger buyrate than normal, and it was common sense to at least *try* to make the most out of him. Instead, they hotshot the big match on the B-PPV following a ridiculous WM. Lesnar was probably not worth that kind of money, especially in non-competitive landscape, but they did exactly the contrary of what they should have done to at least try, just try to make the most out of the investment.
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Well, some people thought it was a good idea to rush through stuff with Lesnar to get "the most out of him right away". Some people thought Cena beating Lesnar was a good idea too. Where's the "burning money" banner again ?
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I would agree. Plus you don't fuck with the Brazilians. It's a rather dangerous place.
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Yet another great promo by Landell. Dutch is such a sleazeball, turning his coat as soon as Horner jumps into the ring. Man, Horner can show some fire at least, I'm surprised.
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Hey, Rugged Ronnie Garvin. He was only 41 then ? He could have had another run in WCW easily.
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Because it was a great gimmick and it suited Landell perfectly. Got a kick of him getting introduced as "The Real Nature Noy" in SMW.
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Money promo from Cornette here. This is what he means by "wrestling the way it used to be". Serious stuff there. Love it.
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That's an interesting remark. I agree Cena has "brand" tatooed on his forehead, whereas Hogan looked like he was bigger than wrestling itself. The fact he was a big star in AWA and New Japan before going to WWF probably helps.
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Flair was a second rate Buddy Rogers too. So... Landell is the lost worker of the 80-90's. If personnal issues and bad decision didn't fuck him up, he would be remembered as one of the greatest. I have that much faith just from the snippets of brillance you get from him everywhere he went.
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Hunter : "See, I told you, Brock isn't a draw, he failed miserably. I should go over him clean at Summer Slam."
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You're not missing anything, that's it. Great spectacle. As far as pure work goes... not so great, but that really wasn't the point. It was meant to be an awesome spectacle, and it succeeded in that respect in more ways than I thought it would. Brock was a great heel, Cena did what he does best, which is sell. That's all there is to it really, but that's enough to make it a great wrestling moment to me. Maybe it doesn't hold up on rewatch though. Now that the excitement over Brock has, well, dropped dead, and knowing the retardation of the finish (and what followed) may hurt the perception of the match in retrospect. I dunno. It looked great when it happened.
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Landell is the lost worker of the 90's. Great promo, excellent worker. Sad.
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The end of the Quebecers, sadly. I didn't care for the HeadShrinkers as faces, I though Lou Albano made them look goofy. It's also the beginning of the tag title becoming less important than ever at this time. The Shrinkers had one title match against a makeshift tag team, then lost on a house-show to Shawn & Diesel, then it got vacated... This period really struck me at the time as the beginning of the end for the tag titles.
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Cool, a guy taking out trash. Seriously, the wave of terrible gimmicks during that time was pretty unique.
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Didn't Barry blew his knee early in the match ? I remember he was really out of shape then.
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Ah, fun stuff. I guess there's a heavy dose of tongue-in-cheek in this piece. Well, one could argue that the fascination for musclebound clean-shaven guys in crew cuts isn't that far remove from the fantaisies of Leni Riefenstahl.... Cena could be one of the greek statues-like athlete in Triumph of Will... (I know, it's silly)
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Not to mention they are unable to edit their stuff to make it seem at least somewhat clean looking (not as atrocious as at the beginning, but still). While interesting at points because Tajiri has a unique trajectory, and the point of view of a japanese wrestler is very interesting for cultural differences only, it looks like this shoot interview was done on the fly after a match, as Tajiri looks like he didn't even get to take a shower and get dressed. Really unprofessionnal all the way. Highspots are better in that the guy is more knowledgeable, but the production values are just as bad and they are worse in terms of dragging out at times (man, that Scotty Riggs interview...). Kayfabe Commentaries blows everyone in term of production, it's not perfect but at least looks professionnal most of the time. They do some really cheap stuff too though (those best/worst angle stuff with a WTF panel including Chyna, Danny Doring next to guys like JJ Dillon, Animal, Bill Eadie, Sunny, Maria Kanelis, Billy Gunn, Bill Apter).
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Yep. Kinda negates the dancers too. Can't have the sexyness and the "family kiddie entertainement" at the same time. Art Barr ?
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BTW, I never wrote that Show's fat punch looked *bad*. I only said that considering it's a signature finisher spot, it doesn't look very good, that it didn't work for me and that Show isn't exactly throwing a punch like Bobby Eaton. It looks okay I guess, which is not enough to make me believe it's a lethal finisher.
