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Both.

In mid 91 they were teasing a Flair vs Horsemen feud as well. They did several interviews with Arn and Windham saying they wanted to take care of their singles career and get championships, then asked Flair what would happen if either of them would request a title match, which of course would annoy Flair. Of course the plan was still for Flair to dropo the belt to Luger, but the seeds were planted.

Roma was a natural heel. The two big mistakes about his introduction into the Horsemen were : 1/ making a big deal about it instead of playing the understudy card. 2/ being introduced into a face version of the Horsemen. It's about time to re-evalue Paul Roma. I agree the Young Stallion were a putrid team. Jim Powers was a terrible worker.

Yeah, i'd be perfectly fine never hearing Alvarez again actually. He's smart/lucky enough to constantly surround himself with ppl I do want to listen to however so we're stuck with him coming along for the ride. I want one euro each time he says "Listen" at the beginning of a sentence.

Indeed. People rag on Paul Roma for the Horsemen deal, but he was a solid worker from what I remember. Hell, Power & Glory and Pretty Wonderful were much better teams than The Impact Players. And Lance wasn't the best member of the team, while Roma probably was on both accounts (not sure how good Orndorff was at this point, but I can't wait to get to those years).

Funny, I could write the exact opposite. I don't care for Hogan's WWF reign, at least I didn't give a shit when I was young, and although I gained appreciation for his work later, I could live without ever watching any Hogan from that era ever again. I think the Vader match is an abortion that killed Vader. I enjoyed Hollywood a lot and I loved Hogan's stooging, because he was so good at it. And it was a shitload of fun having Hogan being Piper's bitch at Starrcade. That was the whole point, the big jacked up guy who was really a coward and who was really afraid of Piper kicking his ass.

Well, Alvarez and Storm are friends. edit : and actually, Storm brought up Santana as a comparison to what his status was in the company : "A very respected worker who held all the minor titles". Well, when Santana held the IC and tag titles, these weren't minor titles Lance... But yeah, Alvarez sounded like a generic mark who got into wrestling during the Attitude era there.

To be honest Hogan got plenty of credit during the last few years. I've been surrounded by positive Hogan comments for years now. The Hollywwod Hogan turn is amazing, and Hogan did some of the best work of his career during this time. I've said it a lot, but I'd take a good Hollywood Hogan match over a good Hulk match any day.

Well, maybe it's best that he remain silent after all. Rick Martel's shoot interview makes Zenk come off like a complete douchebag, and really Martel seems like a really honest and humble guy during the whole interview, so I'm inclined to believe him.

Yes, it's strange. I've seen a few AWF matches from 94 or 95, and Tito was perfectly fine there.

I wasn't impressed by the SummerSlam match.

Ok, that's what I thought. It's too bad, he was hilarious. Still want him to show up in a Shoot Interview, but I guess he can't do it now.

Storm is a good guy, he was, at best, a decent wrestler, but he was a non factor during the second hottest period of US wrestling. Santana was a very good worker and a solid part of WWF's undercard during the first hottest period of US wrestling. There's not even a contest. Lance Storm's biggest claim to fame is hoding 3 belts in a dying WCW, and being carried by Justin Credible in a pretty good tag-team in ECW. Saying his career is more important then Tito Santana's is laughable.

I didn't hear him, but I remember his insane articles on his website. Well, if you refer to that, yeah, I understand. Watching him in 91, there was no way to even think he had this venom in him. Whatever happened with him anyway ? All of a sudden all his comments disapeared from his website, and he never said one more word.

I don't see the natural heel charisma of Tom Zenk to be honest. He was a typical 80's white meat smiling babyface. He was not overly charismatic anyway, but good looking enough and well built to get cheered. I don't see the heel in Tom Zenk. WCW had so many heels anyway at this time, the babyface contingent was not overly strong nor fresh.

SMW had a jobber called The Stormtrooper in 1992, wearing a Swastika mask and t-shirt. It's funny because the announcers called absolutely no attention to the fact the promotion had a Nazi sympathizer working for him, he was just Joe Nazi trying to earn a living in the world of professional wrestling. He wrestled Dixie Dynomite in one of his two matches in a battle of racist gimmicks, and after losing, helped Killer Kyle attack Dixie and leave him laying, which seemed to make no sense. Anyway, this guy did not resemble Bill Dundee in stature at all so I doubt it was the same guy, even though it was the same area in the same time. Holy shit.

Nobody understood that Onita was all about making money, and not getting killed in stupid gimmick matches for the "pride of being hardcore". His in-ring style was all about selling and milking the hell out of everything. Then you get a bunch of morons who think the point is to bleed, get hit very hard with chairs and take bumps into barb-wire. Onita was set on *making money*, and the hardcore style was just a vehicule to achieve that. The ECW guys killed themselves because they were drinking Heyman's kool-aid. And don't even mention the cohorts of garbage-men who followed ECW in the US, or FMW in Japan. The break a thousand lightbulbs and bleed buckets and don't make any money doing it. That's the opposite of what Onita was about.

I think the Memphis connection is overstated. Onita did get some stuff from there, but also from Puerto Rico. And don't forget that at the beginning, it was all about Onita vs martial artists, in a bizarre parody of UWF. I don't see how FMW was close to Memphis style at all to be honest.

Of course not. I wouldn't argue otherwise. I just wanted to throw his name to remind that he was quite an amazing promoter, self-promoter if you prefer. He was a former junior heavyweight from All Japan working against a karate guy on indy shows. A few years later he would draw 30.000 people against Terry Funk at the Kawasaki Stadium. All that with no TV. Impressive.

Except Vince is not a pro-wrestling promoter. He's in the entertainment business, from his own account. So, what about Dana White ? ............................. .............................

Well, I admit I thought of Inoki as the guy who created and carried NJ up the the point of becoming the N°1 promotion in the world, totally omitting Shinma and Choshu. John makes a good case of putting Inoki in a not so bright light. That said, Vince has the WBF, the XFL and fucked up the biggest angle in wrestling history to his negative credit. And he kinda ruined wrestling, at least for me. Does he still gets N°1 ?

Why has this guy always had so much heat anyway? He's not a legend of the ring or anything, but he always seemed fine to me. I think we talked about it before. Fat contract from the get go. First garanteed contract from WWF when he jumped. Sable. Laying down his match beforehand (yeah, like it would seem like an issue nowadays). I don't care, I always like Mero, he developped into a good worker over the years. And he comes off as a really cool and likeable guy in interviews. Man, those Desperados videos are brutal. BRUTAL. Long. Not funny. Not going anywhere. Boring. Painfull. LONG. No wonder watching this shit drove Hansen away (if the urban legend is true). What a waste of Mantell. He does what he can, but the material is just rotten.

That would be Tony Atlas. I think.

Foley I guess.

That picture of Ellering is eye-gouging. Without looking at the name I thought it was Ventura. I think that was the case, make the character a little bit cartoonier with Percy Pringle going way over the top. I agree the Taker/Brother Love was way creepier.