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  1. Yeah, I think it would cut off a lot of interesting discussion to have the lists mutually exclusive. It would be really cool seeing Frank Gotch get ranked alongside Misawa on the historical list or seeing people make the case for Buddy Rogers based on available footage on the main list. Could also be neat to make it all-encompassing to also consider other wrestlers influenced, training work, and matches produced. That way the discussion on footage guys wouldn't just be a retread of the main list. Also since it seemed the tag list got overshadowed by the main list during the last reveal, it might make sense to set the historical list deadline and results reveal a month or so earlier than the main list. That way there'd be time to put a spotlight on the results there while also building hype for the main list results reveal.
  2. A separate list built around "positive historical impact" while clearly demarking the main list as based purely on performances in available matches or something to that effect seems a pretty good compromise. I've raised concerns in the past about how lists like these tend to shaft talented workers who have gaps in footage availability and give too much weight to workers whose promotions were better with footage, so it's nice to see others catching up to those concerns and them being addressed. I remember polls in the past showing a fair amount of people here do have some sort of interest in 50s or earlier wrestling history, so I don't doubt there being just as much if not more interest as the tag list got. Not really sure about putting in a footage limit for the main list, though. Given that we can rewatch stuff as much as we want, even if it was the only piece of footage we had of him, I think it's entirely reasonable that someone could argue the performance from Johnny Valentine in the Bull Curry match gave them more joy than most other guys' entire careers.
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    Abdullah Kobayashi

    Barring stuff like CZW bumps off buildings, shouldn't it be a plus for these deathmatch guys that they're creative in finding ways to conjure up disturbing and violent imagery within the confines of a relatively sustainable style? Making something that looks like it's really damaging without actually leading to lasting injury is a fundamental skill in wrestling after all. Kind of shocked to see Abdullah Kobayashi didn't even get any discussion at all last time around, actually. Definitely thinking deathmatch guys got shafted.
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    RIP Jimmy Rave

    What the hell people. WWE TV everybody hates is worth a thread every week but someone's death isn't? Has to be up there for most underrated indy performers of the last 20 years. Great mechanic who never really got his due. Best known for his stuff in ROH, but he actually seemed to develop his game quite a bit after leaving ROH. Here's a pretty cool wargames with him that surfaced recently.
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    Is the empire crumbling before our eyes?

    Maybe I've been living in a cave, but never heard of there being heat between Rock and H. Thought it was just Rock and Michaels. Given that H losing power has led to Michaels taking over NXT, that's not very good revenge.
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    Jeff Hardy has incident, sent home from the road

    Yeah, people seem way to fast to assume it's just another drug relapse. This seems very different than, say, the match with Sting at Victory Road 2011. I'm definitely in the "wait and see" camp.
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    Jeff Hardy has incident, sent home from the road

    Couldn't it be just his body giving out on him? Dude's in his 40's, has had loads of substance abuse issues, and has put his body through hell in the ring. Sad to watch, but it's not exactly surprising if he just felt something was off and figured he'd be better off bailing than risking something serious happening.
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    RINGS (The Fighting Network!)

    Loving this thread. Awesome to see the undercard gems get documented like this.
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    Is the empire crumbling before our eyes?

    Crazy Vince stories are truly the gift that keeps on giving.
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    Is the empire crumbling before our eyes?

    There's also a relatively famous story of Hansen hitting Kobashi's arm with his cow bell during a house show tag in 1995, which led to him bleeding massive amounts of blood and was the reason behind him having to wear an elbow covering for a while. I also remember an RVD interview on his time in AJPW where he claimed having Hansen as his partner was even more dangerous than having Kobashi and Kawada stiff the hell even out of him as opponents.
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    Is the empire crumbling before our eyes?

    I get not everyone's a fan of Triple H, but I'm a little surprised at how quiet people seem to be on Meltzer talking about his cardiac event being a serious thing that's led to him being kept away from high-stress positions since. This seems like a huge story if true. Seems like it would put serious breaks on the idea of him ever replacing Vince in the company or even moving beyond a figurehead/trainer role again, not to mention probably marking the end of him working 20 minute main event type matches.
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    Antonio Inoki

    I've cringed my fair share of times while reading old posts by myself, so I'm definitely not trying to ream anyone for what they thought years ago, but here's goodhelmet with a very different take to show I'm not making stuff up here. That said, if Inoki/Fujinami 1985 wasn't a match that hurt Inoki's rep, what are some specific examples of matches that did? I've gone out of my way to try looking for these "really shitty Inoki matches that didn't make the set" and I haven't found them at all. Instead, watching the series with Fujinami and Choshu as mentioned actually raised my opinion of him a lot, and there's also stuff like the 1983 Inoki/Fujinami vs. Choshu/Saito for him having a great match in a smaller setting.
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    Antonio Inoki

    No idea where the recording came from, but Inoki/Markoff was definitely out there way before 2019. Here's a 2007 thread where Loss has it listed as a match he's seen/rated.
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    Antonio Inoki

    I didn't get the claims put forth by the DVDVR guys of him being some no-selling slug even while the set was going on, so it's especially baffling to me people still seem to buy into that idea and let it color their perceptions. I feel like he's long overdue to get his work re-evaluated and get his due as an all-time great like has happened with Tenryu and Hashimoto. I remmeber the DVDVR guys citing the Fujinami/Inoki 1985 match as one of the dreadful Inoki performances that sunk his rep for them, but all I saw was a fantastic old school vs. new school grappling match and I have to assume the people shitting on it simply didn't understand his character. The 1988 rematch, by the way, builds perfectly off the 1985 match and is a strong contender for best match I've ever seen. This feels weird saying it as 90s AJPW guy, but I'm gonna go against the oft-made claim of Misawa as the GOAT ace and say Inoki deserves that title. By that, I obviously don't mean he had the better matches than Misawa but that as far as looking like a bad-ass, knowing just the right way to play to the crowd, and always coming through with showing he could back up his aura, Inoki is second to none for me. Just watch his 1984 stuff with Choshu and I think it's awe-inspiring just how heated the match feels from the very beginning and how he manages to sustain that heat the whole time even with slower paced grappling. I'm also hoping people are able to look at his matwork with more patient and accepting eyes than he's been given in the past. Since the last poll, there's also been a handful of JWA tags with Baba that have been made more widely available that give a more complete picture of what a beast he was even early on. I'd specifically recommend the tag with Baba against Mil Mascaras and Spiros, featuring one of the most breathtaking matwork exchanges I've seen between him and Mil.
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    Is the empire crumbling before our eyes?

    2017 had Lesnar/Styles, 2018 had Lesnar/Bryan, and 2020 had Taker's retirement and Reigns/Mcintyre. I'm with stro that SvS's rep as "the big 4 PPV WWE forgets about" is highly exaggerated.
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