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  1. fxnj

    Dynamite Kid

    I kind of wonder why it is that a lot of the crowd that gives a pass to Sabu's sloppiness for adding to chaotic ECW atmosphere of his matches also dig into TM/DK for sloppiness in their matches. When I go back to watch their series, it feels like a similar principle applies there where even if the matches have been topped endlessly by guys doing more complex moves with more interesting psychology behind them, the sloppiness and botches gives a rawness to the whole thing that you don't really get with newer matches. Not saying they're classics, but they have a car crash appeal knowing how brutal that style was on both guys.
  2. fxnj

    Shawn Michaels vs Kenny Omega

    I agree it's unfair to use it on Taker Maniac matches, but I still feel like the term has validity when applied to the 2010's puro cosplay stuff you get on US indies, where you get guys building matches entirely around finisher kick-outs and i-hit-you-you-hit-me strike exchanges out of the idea that that's a guaranteed epic match formula. There's definitely a distinction there between guys working to "earn" those spots in the context of a coherent match and guys building a match entirely around those things with little concern for how to actually sell things. Richards/Elgin 3/2012 and Richards/Edwards 12/2011 are probably the clearest examples out there of that sort of style, far more so than any Taker Mania match. Looking at the thread here for Richards/Elgin, it is interesting how some people seem to actually enjoy the match specifically because of how self-consciously it leans into those "epic" tropes, so I can see the argument for self-conscious epic, rather than an indictment of match's quality in itself, to be more a set of tropes that people enjoy seeing repeatedly in a similar fashion to 80's cartoon heel stooging stuff.
  3. fxnj

    Better in ring decade 80s WWF or 90s WWF

    The health consequences aside, there's definitely a perverse novelty for me in seeing jacked up oafs like Muraco and Dino Bravo stumbling around the ring that allows me to forgive some of the shortcomings of their work. I'll still admit, though, that 80's has its fair share of stuff that can be hard to sit through, like those long Ivan Putski matches or the disappointing Rude/Roberts feud.
  4. fxnj

    Better in ring decade 80s WWF or 90s WWF

    Always been a fan of 80's WWF. The cool thing about it is you can pop in pretty much any random house show and you'll find an undercard match that surprises you in how good it is, and a lot of the Hogan main events hold up better than you'd expect as mentioned. The diversity in workers and the overall progression of the promotion is awesome with how it starts off as a NE territory with Backlund in the beginning, you have Hogan and big name territory guys in the middle, and then the future 90's stars starting to leave an impact towards the end. 90's has high highs, but most of the high-end stuff is centered around Bret or Shawn, and there's definitely a shift towards guys saving things for the big shows in the latter half of the decade.
  5. Not sure about how AJW did things, but I agree that almost all the references people pick up in AJPW seem intentional things by the workers. For example, in Kobashi's book he talks about adapting the lariat into a finishing move because of how many times he'd taken the move when he was a younger wrestler and how he specifically wanted to beat Hansen with it in their 1996 match to make a statement. It's one thing to just reference a prior big match, but something like that shows they assume people would pick up on these deeper trends and draw connections there as well. As you say, they had a loyal audience and worked their matches in such a way that respected them.
  6. fxnj

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Damn, almost makes it seem like 90's politicking dickhead Shawn was a toned down version of him.
  7. fxnj

    Is the empire crumbling before our eyes?

    Not sure how the past 18 months could be worse for Triple H between NXT getting stomped by AEW, Vince losing faith in him in favor of Khan, and now him having a heart attack in the midst of NXT getting swept out from under him. Someone mentioned earlier how it seems like his power carefully built through 20 years of politicking has been rapidly crumpling down over this period, and this latest health scare stopping him from even being around for the NXT rebranding feels like it solidifies that. Really starting to feel bad for the guy.
  8. I guess we'll know more when/if her brain gets analyzed, but this really kills me if the mental issues were related to her in-ring work. She had the looks to just get by as a valet, but it seemed she really put her body through a lot to earn people's respect during a time when women were mainly treated as eye candy. Really a sad story.
  9. fxnj

    Deathmatch Wrestling: How much is Too Much?

    Not really sure what the big deal was after seeing that. Just seems the 2021 version of Abby stabbing people with forks or Foley using barbed wire baseball bats. It's certainly not unheard of for people to use dangerous weapons to get themselves over as dangerous psychos, and it was properly sold seemingly without any serious injury actually taking place. Nowhere near as nutty as old CZW using weed whackers and taking bumps off buildings.
  10. fxnj

    Deathmatch Wrestling: How much is Too Much?

    Any gifs/clips showing the knife spot for those of us who aren't in tune to this sort of this?
  11. fxnj

    R.I.P. The Patriot (Del Wilkes)

    Kobashi also talks in his book about Patriot being set to get a big push as Kobashi's tag partner before jumping ship to WWF. Thought he did a pretty good job of stepping up when they tagged together in the 1996 RWTL. Sucks how his career turned out with him having to retire when he was really hitting his stride as a worker and being seen as a potential main event by promotors. Pretty shocked he died so young. Guess the steroids did a number on him.
  12. fxnj

    Need to get ahold of a Mod or administrator

    I'd say there's two things counterbalancing the improvements in training technology 1. The fact that pro wrestling was a lot more popular in the 80's and 90's leading to a much larger talent pool to draw from. 2. The fact that it was much harder to become a pro wrestler and, at least in Japan, and people quickly got filtered by the ridiculously grueling dojo system. I'm not going to use this this argue that US wrestling in the 80's was better than it is now (because I don't think it is), but you can really see this effect in Japan, I think. Just compare how Kobashi and Misawa work a headlock to how Okada and the difference is plain as day how much better trained the 90's AJPW guys were in the basics.
  13. fxnj

    Need to get ahold of a Mod or administrator

    I've done a few rounds around wrestling Twitter, and every time I've come to the conclusion that it's not suited for discussion going beyond hot takes and shit flinging. Baffling to me why Loss would prefer it.
  14. Strictly in terms of matches I was in live in the building for, it'd be Bryan/Lesnar from Survivor Series. However, I got really far away seats and was stuck watching on the big screen, so it was kind of disappointing and I enjoyed it a lot more when I watched the PPV broadcast at home. In terms of matches I enjoyed a lot live, it'd be either Shiozaki/Miyahara vs. Akiyama/Omori for the AJPW tag titles from 8/2015 or Shiozaki/Miyahara vs. Akiyama/Kanemaru from a house show the next month, in what ended up Shiozaki's last AJPW match. I remember thinking the tag titles match was a little better overall, but the atmosphere in the building was incredible for the house show match and Akiyama/Shiozaki really went at it hard in their exchanges. Most I ever marked out live was the finish of Akiyama/Akebono for the Triple Crown, again in 2015. I was living in Japan at the time and decided to travel to the other end of the country to see the match as I had a feeling Akiyama was gonna be winning the title and I didn't want to pass up the opportunity to see it live. I was not disappointed.