Matt D
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As a general rule I avoid this argument but: 1) there is something to the idea that if you listen to classic rock channels (or even classical ones) you'll get a better selection because the dj can pick and choose over years and leave out the substandard stuff, sure. 2) that said, one side of this argument comes off like the functional equivalent of Michael Bay fans. -
I need to see the few matches we have from him between those runs, when he's teaming with and/or feuding with Callis in Canada. Some of that is online:
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I know I said I wasn't going to start tackling these til January, but since Charles went to all the work, I wanted to give it a go. I made it through the first hair match. I'm going to need a bit of time before I tackle the second. It was quite possibly the most manipulative wrestling experience I've ever witnessed. It's sort of insane to think that right around this time Baby Doll was riding off on Dusty's horse. Is that a weird thought? The audience is full of young girls. The violence is extreme, far more than was needed, and we all know this because we've seen so many wrestling matches where the violence wasn't there but the emotion was. That's not to say it wasn't effective. It was hugely effective. They go to extremes but they don't waste them at all. They led with the chain and they never looked back. There was escalation but they started already in the orange danger zone. They take deep shortcuts but that just means that they get further along the road sooner and quicker and once they get there they stay there. They make it their home. Dump's entrance is amazing. I watched a lot of anime when i was younger, and I watch some with my kid now, so I picked up a familiar vibe from it. I thought Chigusa's entrance was somewhat underwhelming in comparison. It's unquestionably a good wrestling match with a mismatch, and heat, and hope spots, and build, the fight for the Scorpion Deathlock, so that when Chigusa puts it on, it's almost like a victory in itself, even if it doesn't win her the match. She's defying her opponent by putting it on, defying her opponent who hurt her leg by using it herself. It's a triumphant moment, with the blood running down her face, even if it's an ultimately futile one. It's actually hard to separate the non-wrestling stuff from the wrestling here. The entrances are part of this. Chigusa defiantly screaming on the house mic after the match is part of this. Knowing all that I do about wrestling, AND Japan, AND the 80s, and today's twerking pop culture and everything, I still can't entirely wrap my head around the fact that something so manipulative and violent and targeted exactly how it was targeted could have existed. I'm not glad that it did. I'll move on to the next match but I don't think I'll revisit this one any time soon. It was well-structured, well-executed, primal wrestling, though. It definitely wasn't what I was expecting.
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I would say the bet is kind of null after that finish which didn't really work for either side of the bet. Unless we decide to both accept the punishment, Kenny vs. Spenny style. I'm okay with waiting to see how Raw shapes up tonight and whether they're doing the match again at NOC.
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Basically, whenever you got Blackwell in a cage, great things happened.
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Can we get an official ruling on my bet with goc. Cena won but Brock retained. They're probably going back to the well for Hell in a Cell which sort of stalls the spirit of the bet. I still kind of think that Cena takes it there with a Rollins cash in maybe
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My brother explained this one pretty well. If you wait for Cena or Lesnar to win they will be on rough, but competitive shape, but costing Cena the match when Brock is on the verge of losing is much, much smarter play than waiting for the match to end. Still fucking stupid finish No it wasn't. In no way shape or form was it. Why? 1.) You're cashing in on Brock instead of Cena. No matter what happens Brock will come back and kill you (this will happen). 2.) There's a chance that Cena might take offense because you caused a DQ when he was about to win (this happened).
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I hope we get Brock killing Rollins out of this.
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I did love those really tight AAs.
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Why in the world wouldn't Rollins just wait for the match to end and then cash in on the winner?
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AJ's skipping has somehow begun to start feeling like Groucho Marx stumbling around.
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Yeah, the Paige package was well done.
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Crowd seems way more into this than we are. What the hell was Jericho even going for?
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just catching up now. Re: Sandow selling at what Miz got hit with. When I first saw Aaron Stevens in Chaotic in MA, he'd do that on the floor when his stablemates were getting hit and it was hilarious. Funniest thing I've ever seen live in wrestling maybe. I imagine this wasn't that.
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That Show/Henry backstage segment made me want Show to go Soviet. I'm going to use this match to get the toddler to sleep.
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I need to rewatch that tomorrow. Got caught up in some work I had to do. That corner knee was nuts though. Now I'll have Sting's theme stuck in my head for the rest of the night.
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Do any WWE (past the very top belt) runs end in a climax?
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I may have done a fist pump at that result. May have.
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Greatness is going to be decided by democratic vote. After the vote's over, you can tell me that I was wrong, as it pertains to the quasi-objective results of the poll. In the meantime, however, I don't go around and tell you that your criteria is faulty. I only explain how I feel, because it's my right, and in part because I do think it adds SOMETHING to the discussion and because I feel strongly about it. I honestly appreciate that you go to such lengths to try to understand me. In the meantime, I'll still rank Flair very highly, because he does a number of things well, and because, on a lesser level, he has great matches. I might even rank him #1. I don't know yet. That's why he's my #1 priority. I don't ignore those matches. I try to understand them and see if the reasons they're so highly considered match up with my criteria or not. I try to understand back. I just don't always agree.
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Personally, I'm going to absolutely look at Terry Funk when he gets old. I'm going to look at how he understood and modified his act for the Philadelphia Crowd or for the crazy stuff in Japan he was doing at the time and if he as able to continue to have good matches despite and because of that. I'm going to look to see what happened to him when he was in 00 indies and couldn't quite do some of the stuff that allowed for his post-prime career, and I think he had a match with Lawler a couple of years ago and I'm really interested to see what I can learn from that, pro or con. Likewise Ricky Morton. I don't get why people don't think there's something to learn in how a wrestler adapts to not being able to use the same tools that they once did. I just really don't get that. It's not about giving or taking away points, it's about understanding a wrestler and how well they understand their craft and thereby how well they potentially understood it when they were younger and how that understanding shaped every match of their career and how it developed or didn't develop over the years. How is this not interesting to you guys? When I watch wrestlers I look for clues in almost everything they do. How else am I going to figure out whether they're good or not. You look for patterns and how they handle different situations. I get that not everyone does it that way, but there's so much to learn about a wrestler in almost every match. That's what makes a project like this so great. To be fair, when I'm done looking at everything, what I might come up with is that Flair not being able to adapt just paints a new and different light on how well he DID know how to the tools that he had when he was younger. I don't know yet. It's not about penalizing or giving points. It's about figuring things out.
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A lot of this goes back to what I value, and again that is different than what is my favorite, though it does inform it. I value a style were physical tools aren't the most important and so long as I am honest and open and consistent about this, then I don't see what the problem is if I use the tools that I have available to make the decisions I need to make.